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Since some members said they were annoyed by the italics that this forum forces on quotes I won't put them in.

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American Terminator


Character flaws: The U. S. can inflict great damage while sustaining none, and is programmed to rebuild itself, but not others. That’s its problem.


By Niall Ferguson


The United States is now an empire in all but name—the first case in history of an empire in denial. That may explain why a country which accounts for nearly a third of total world output now has such surprising trouble getting what it wants. The last great Anglophone empire ruled over a quarter of the world’s land surface and population, despite the fact that Britain accounted for less than a tenth of global production. Yet the United States has spent recent months struggling to control just two foreign countries: Afghanistan and Iraq. If it is indeed an empire, it seems a strangely feeble one.

America’s imperial anemia takes some serious explaining; it is not enough simply to blame its troubles on the Bush administration’s alleged diplomatic ineptitude. To understand what has gone wrong this past year, it is necessary to rethink what we mean by power. For all too often we confuse that concept with other, quite different things: wealth and weaponry, influence and appeal. It is quite possible to have a great deal of all these things, yet to have only limited power. That is the American predicament.

The United States has an enormous economy: in current dollar terms, its gross domestic product is 30 times bigger than Russia’s, 20 times bigger than India’s, eight times bigger than China’s, more than two and a half times bigger than Japan’s and 22 percent bigger than the European Union’s. Its military capability is unrivaled: it spends more on its armed forces than the next dozen or more countries combined, and produces weaponry so much better than that of any conceivable competition that talk of “full-spectrum dominance” does not seem exaggerated.

Yet look at the record of recent months. Establishing law and order in Iraq has proved to be beyond the capacity of America’s armed forces, even with British assistance. The overthrow of Saddam Hussein raised hopes that America just might be able to break the deadlock in the Middle East, but by the autumn, Yasir Arafat had reasserted control over the Palestinian administration and Ariel Sharon was building a replica of the Berlin wall around the Palestinians. Meanwhile, a repulsive tin-pot dictator in North Korea was defying American hyperpower with impunity, openly restarting his nuclear-weapons program and threatening to “open the nuclear deterrent to the public as a physical force.”

Some pax Americana. The United States even hesitated before sending a tiny force to the one basket-case country in Africa for which it can be said to have any historical responsibility, Liberia. In August three ships, carrying about 4,500 sailors and Marines, were sent to Liberia after repeated requests for American intervention. In all, 225 Americans went ashore, of whom 50 contracted malaria. Two months later the Americans pulled out. This halfhearted African adventure exemplifies the limits of American power.

But how are we to explain these limits?

The election of Arnold Schwarzenegger as governor of California offers an important clue to the nature of American power. In his most recent film, “Terminator 3,” Schwarzenegger plays an almost indestructible robot programmed to protect a young man who is destined to save the world. In the climactic scene, the Terminator’s operating system becomes corrupted: instead of saving the future savior, he comes close to killing him. As his original program battles this contradictory command, the word abort flashes in big red lights in his head, finally preventing him from doing anything.

In three distinct ways, “T3” is a perfect metaphor for the deficits that constrain American might. Though he has the body of a man half his age, Schwarzenegger himself is, in fact, just four years short of his 60th birthday. His determination to remain forever Mr. Universe typifies the determination of an entire generation never to grow old, though grow old they must—with important economic consequences. As he contemplates the finances of the state of California, the real Arnold Schwarzenegger now confronts just a fraction of the huge economic deficit that is the first real constraint on American power.

The Terminator is also a very American hero for the simple reason that there is only one of him. In this he personifies the chronic manpower shortage that constrains American nation-building. Above all, the Terminator exemplifies the American attention deficit. Less than a year after the invasion of Iraq, a growing number of Americans have already got that five-letter word flashing in their heads: abort.

Let’s first take a closer look at the fabled $10 trillion U.S. economy. The lion’s share of the annual output of the American economy is, in fact, accounted for by private consumption. That share has risen from about 61 percent in 1967 to 70 percent in 2002. As they have consumed more, so Americans have saved ever less: the savings rate averaged about 10 percent between 1973 and 1983; at its low point, in 1999, it touched 1.6 percent, and it has risen only slightly to 3.6 percent in 2003. The only way that the United States has been able to achieve such rapid economic growth in the past decade has been by financing investment with the savings of foreigners. As a result it has gone from being the world’s banker to being the world’s debtor: the country’s net international-investment position was about 12 percent of GDP in 1980; in 2002 it was close to minus 25 percent.

Foreign lending also underwrites the American government. Some 46 percent of the total federal debt in public hands is now held by foreigners, and the bulk of the most recent purchases have been made by Asian central banks, particularly the Japanese and the Chinese. The fact that the financial stability of the United States today depends on the central bank of the People’s Republic of China is not widely known. Yet the significance is great. A debtor power can’t possibly exert the same leverage as a creditor power, and U.S. deficits look likely to grow as the baby-boom generation approaches retirement, because only a minority will have made adequate provision for the idleness and illness of old age. One recent estimate of the implicit “fiscal imbalance” between future spending and tax revenue arrived at the mind-boggling figure of $45 trillion.

That’s not the only troubling U.S. deficit. As has become obvious in Iraq, the United States does not have an especially large pool of combat-effective troops on which it can draw. With about 130,000 personnel required for active service in postwar Iraq, the Pentagon admits that it is at full stretch. Since the end of the cold war, service-personnel cuts have lowered the number of Americans troops abroad to little more than 200,000 at any one time. The rest are, or expect to be, at home. Foreign postings are expected to last six months, or at most a year.

This manpower deficit is compounded by the attention deficit: to be precise, a reluctance on the part of voters to tolerate prolonged commitments of American forces in hostile territory. It took about three years—from 1965 to 1968—and more than 30,000 men killed in action to reduce popular support for the Vietnam War by 25 percent. Between April and September 2003, by contrast, there was a comparably large drop in the popularity of the war in Iraq. Yet in that five-month period, little more than 300 U.S. service personnel lost their lives, a third of whom were the victims of accidents or sickness. Small wonder the Bush administration has felt compelled to promise the swiftest possible transfer of power to the Iraqi people.

Of the three deficits that eat away at American power, this last is the most serious. The economic deficit need not be fatal. Why shouldn’t the Japanese and Chinese fund American consumption indefinitely if Americans are happy to consume their products rather than those produced by American manufacturers? The manpower deficit may also be solvable. Why shouldn’t the United Nations help the United States create a peacekeeping force big enough to provide an effective constabulary for Iraq?

But the attention deficit is the real source of American weakness. For the creation of stable economic, legal and political institutions in a country like Iraq simply cannot be achieved in a 12-month time frame. The shorter the life of the Coalition Provisional Authority, the more difficult it will be to elicit the collaboration of local elites on which all imperial power must ultimately rely. Why would anyone want to collaborate with foreign occupiers who will soon, by their own admission, be gone?

If the United States is not quite as strong as it looks, the knee-jerk response of “realist” analysts of international relations is to look for signs that another power may be rising. Some point to the European Union. Others point to China. Yet there are good reasons to doubt whether either can be regarded as a credible rival—the EU because it is too economically sclerotic and politically fragmented, China because it is too economically volatile and politically centralized. In any case, the United States, the EU and China have more reasons to cooperate than they have to compete, whether the enemy is terror, AIDS or climate change.

The paradox of globalization is that as the world becomes more integrated, so power becomes more diffuse. The old monopolies on which power was traditionally based—monopolies of wealth, political office and knowledge—have been in large measure broken up. Unfortunately, thanks to the proliferation of modern means of destruction, the power to inflict violence has also become more evenly distributed—so that a poison dwarf like North Korea can resist the will even of the American giant.

Power is not just about being able to buy whatever you want; that is mere wealth. Power is about being able to get whatever you want at below the market price. It is about being able to get people to perform services or deliver goods they would not ordinarily offer to sell at any price. Yet power diminishes as it is shared. One country with one nuclear bomb is more powerful, if the rest of the world has none, than a country with a thousand nuclear bombs, if everyone else has one. And this brings us to the final respect in which America resembles the Terminator.

The United States has the capability to inflict appalling destruction while sustaining only minimal damage to itself. There is no regime it could not terminate if it wanted to—including North Korea. Such a war might leave South Korea in ruins, but the American Terminator would emerge more or less unscathed. What the Terminator is not programmed to do is to rebuild anyone but himself. If, as seems likely, the United States responds to pressure at home and abroad by withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan before their economic reconstruction has been achieved, the scene will not be wholly unfamiliar. The limits of American power will be laid bare when the global Terminator finally admits: “I won’t be back.”
 
blahblahblah said:
What's the thesis of this paper? His points seem awfully scattered.

Now that I read it a feel the same :cat:

I think it's meant not to influence us, but to give us the information to think for ourselves.
 
Sprafa said:
Now that I read it a feel the same :cat:

I think it's meant not to influence us, but to give us the information to think for ourselves.


That certainly seems the case. Still its quite interesting to read...Even if it doesn't really spark up anything in particular.
 
The USA has never been an empire, besides the manifest destiney.

An empire would take land and try to control the people of that seized territory. The only land we have asked for is where we can burry our dead.

If we were trying conquer Afghanistan why would we be pulling troops out? and why would we have tried to help afghanis establish a government for themselves?

The same goes for Iraq if we were trying conquer it why would we be so worried about leaving some of the lower level CnC in place. why wouldnt we obliterate the strong refuges of resitance instaed of setting up containment zones.

If we were an empire why would we have helped rebuilt the japan and helped it into becoming one of the strongest countries in the world? Would we have not taken portions of Europe once we had helped liberate those countries from 2 world wars, yet we didn't.

Calling the USA an empire was the first of many flaws in that prose.
 
Nah, the USA was an empire. You briefly pointed it out, but we are/were still an empire. Look at Cuba, Phillipines, and other Central American nations. Back in the 1900s we sure as hell did carry the big stick ;)
 
My God seinfeldrules, you actually managed to say something beyond your expected capabilities.

Still, America is an empire, but a XXI century empire. "Empire" became such an "evil" word that no one can really put it in their label and get away with it.

But America is the most powerful nation today and ever.
 
But America is the most powerful nation today and ever.
In what context. Look back to the days of Alexander the Great or the Romans. They could easily give us a run for our money. We have been around for what, about 220 years, they lasted for millennia (wc?). Alexander the Great conquered much of the known world in under 40 years. Napolean did similar things as well.

Its not like America is the only 'big bad' empire either. France and Great Britian were far worse then we ever were.
 
That depends on what you mean by power...though, granted, they did last a lot longer than the USA has so far been around.
 
seinfeldrules said:
In what context. Look back to the days of Alexander the Great or the Romans. They could easily give us a run for our money. We have been around for what, about 220 years, they lasted for millennia (wc?). Alexander the Great conquered much of the known world in under 40 years. Napolean did similar things as well.

Its not like America is the only 'big bad' empire either. France and Great Britian were far worse then we ever were.
empire is subjective. we really havent done much "conquering" and then exploiting that for our gains. we have "occupied" many contries (bosnia, iraq, afghanistan, etc) but we dont do to them what rome, or napolean did to their areas.

A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority.

i dont think this accurately describes the united states. rome? yes. hitler even? yes. i guess im just not seeing it :)
 
Well we did with the Phillipines, Central America (Panama), and Mexico. While we didnt use them for direct financial gain, usually, we did use them to expand and control key trading ports.

I wholeheartedly agree with Iraq and Afghanistan though. We went in there not to conquer or exploit, but to defeat our enemies and move on.
 
seinfeldrules said:
While we didnt use them for direct financial gain, usually, we did use them to expand and control key trading ports.
that hardly constitutes empire. rome wasent an empire because it took ports, it kicked weaker peoples asses and took their countries, and their wealth. we dont do that, as much as people would like to say we do. "evil empire"... please.
 
we dont do that, as much as people would like to say we do.

We dont do it now, but we did do it. We whooped Spain and got Cuba and the Phillipines. We whooped Mexico and got a large chunk of the modern day US of A.
 
seinfeldrules said:
We dont do it now, but we did do it. We whooped Spain and got Cuba and the Phillipines. We whooped Mexico and got a large chunk of the modern day US of A.
interesting, i wasent aware that empires are defined by those who give away their territory. texas in another issue, iirc there was a whole movement there to be admitted to the states. moreover the mexican american war you refer to is little different than, say, the sudentenland, or alsace (or however you spell these) between germany and france and others. territorial acquisition is all well and good, but thats only 1 small part of an empire. we dont have nearly enough of this to constitute an empire.
 
Empire- A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority. b. The territory included in such a unit.

We controlled the Phillipines and Cuba. We also controlled parts of Mexico, which we demanded after we defeated them. Of course its not to the extent of Nazi Germany and many others listed throughout history. I agree we arent the worst of the worst (by far), but we arent Switzerland either.
 
seinfeldrules said:
Empire- A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority. b. The territory included in such a unit.

We controlled the Phillipines and Cuba. We also controlled parts of Mexico, which we demanded after we defeated them. Of course its not to the extent of Nazi Germany and many others listed throughout history. I agree we arent the worst of the worst (by far), but we arent Switzerland either.
A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority. b. The territory included in such a unit.

it takes an emporer to rule an empire. the territories you list are relatively tiny. i guess its perfectly debateable, i just dont see us an empire, in the past or present. not even worth calling an empire, as there have been much more territory thrown back in forth in the middle east, eastern europe, asia, etc.
 
seinfeldrules said:
Well if you call the entire southwest tiny...
i call it relatively tiny, compared to say, the aegean, north africa, the middle east, a third of russia, europe, etc. believe me, id like to consider the us an empire but it just doesnt fly with me for some reason.
 
I really love when you post texts like this, gives me something interesting to read when I'm bored and the writers usually have very good points. Thanks again for posting it, I'm going to read it through and see if there's anything I can comment on it. :)
 
seinfeldrules said:
Well we did with the Phillipines, Central America (Panama), and Mexico. While we didnt use them for direct financial gain, usually, we did use them to expand and control key trading ports.

I wholeheartedly agree with Iraq and Afghanistan though. We went in there not to conquer or exploit, but to defeat our enemies and move on.

I used to live in Panama.

My mom as a lock master at Miraflores, I think she worked at Pedro Miguel at one point too. We move to PC Florida in early 99 because the US was handing control over the canal zone back to Panama. Can't say I agree with that, in fact it really pisses me off.
 
I thank Mr. Harij for expressing his views on my periodical article posting and seinfeldrules & gh0st for conducting their own private debate.
 
Sprafa said:
I thank Mr. Harij for expressing his views on my periodical article posting and seinfeldrules & gh0st for conducting their own private debate.
were discussing something related to the article, cry about it.
 
gh0st said:
were discussing something related to the article, cry about it.

may I ask "What The ****?"

Debates are the point of posting this kind of stuff for me, I love when people do it. I wasn't being ironic. I actually thanked Harij and you guys. :dozey:
 
Sprafa said:
may I ask "What The ****?"

Debates are the point of posting this kind of stuff for me, I love when people do it. I wasn't being ironic. I actually thanked Harij and you guys. :dozey:
i misread it then, it seemed like sarcasm, sorry.
 
btw, sorry for the delay but this comes from another article and relates to that debate.

Fareed Zakaria said:
Since the beginnings of the state system in the 16th century, international politics has seen one clear pattern–the formation of balances of power against the strong. Countries with immense military and economic might arouse fear and suspicion, and soon others coalesce against them. It happened to the Hapsburg Empire in the 17th century, France in the late 18th and early 19th century, Germany twice in the early 20th century, and the Soviet Union in the latter half of the 20th century. At this point, most Americans will surely protest: "But we’re different!" Americans–this writer included–think of themselves as a nation that has never sought to occupy others, and that through the years has been a progressive and liberating force. But historians tell us that all dominant powers thought they were special. Their very success confirmed for them that they were blessed. But as they became ever more powerful, the world saw them differently. The English satirist John Dryden described this phenomenon in a poem set during the Biblical King David’s reign. "When the chosen people grew too strong," he wrote, "The rightful cause at length became the wrong."
 
Sprafa said:
I thank Mr. Harij for expressing his views on my periodical article posting and seinfeldrules & gh0st for conducting their own private debate.
Post some more stories like this please! :D
 
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