Oklahoma Full Auto Shoot!!

[CptStern]

I'm sorry you're going to have to explain your self a little more, maybe you should focus on all of my post instead of that one part, because I had some important stuff I wanted you to hear, about educating the kids on dangerous things to prevent bad stuff from happening.

please explain to me how, in the course of someone's life, they will NEED to learn how to properly fire a machine gun? a weapon that's only ever used in war ...just in case the ruskies invade? perhaps a race war that threats the very fabric of the republic?

entertainment I can see that but you cant possibly expect me to believe it's a safety excercise

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

yes because you know this as you've worked with social worlers in the past and know how these things work.

My aunt is a social worker who actually specializes in that (yes, however sad it sounds she had what we call in humor a 'baby stealing card' from the state of Arizona for Identification) and we went through the process twice for taking custody of my nephews.

First of all I never said they would taken away. I stipulated that they would probably be put into foster care or in the care of a relative till an investigation is made. It is standard procedure in most jurisdictions. Second ...I'm not crazy :E

They're not going to get hurt in this anyway.

gun culture in itself implies worship or admiring something or having no fear of ..it's a common phrase

Having no fear of it in no way is worship. Having no fear of them is a GOOD thing, no one SHOULD BE. This little girl won't be as she's raised and that's good, I really doubt she'll be involved in an irresponsible accident as opposed to someone who is afraid and doesn't know how to handle one if they are put in a situation involving one.

yes because there's never been any gun related accidents

The girl isn't swinging around a gun she's firing from a mounted weapon. If there's a 'misfire' as you put it I assume you mean a jam, she's not going to get hurt from that only confused probably when it stops firing. Sorry, the gun isn't going to blow up in her face or something like that, that's not how it works and being knowledged about firarms you know what you do need to worry about and what you don't need to.


I assume you still stand by your statement that the dad is a 'scumbag' even though you don't know anything about him. That's horrible.

 

[Flyingdebris]

There's no "NEED," other than its a fun thing to learn. Thats enough of a reason for me.

Does anyone "NEED" to know how to use a compound bow, no, but its fun to learn.

Besides you can learn a lot about how to maintain firearms by using and working with the machineguns since they generally have more parts to maintain and are usually more complicated.

Shit, i wish i went to one of those shoots as a kid. That little girl's got bragging rights for years

 

[Steve]

come on man, you know as well as I do it's not the same thing

No, I don't see how it's not the same thing. People dying is people dying. Accidental or not. Anyway, many gun deaths are accidental, and many car deaths are intentional.

Anyway, I agree with you on this: no civilian ever needs to learn proper operation of a machine gun, because no civilian should really ever own one. A machine gun is a weapon of war, designed for absolutely nothing but killing other people, and goes way beyond hunting/self defense, whatever.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Shooting a gun is fine. I don't see why she needs to learn how to fire a machine gun. That's incredibly unecessary.

 

[Ames]

I was having a Great American Barbecue Picnic one time in the summer with all my friends and family. My relatives streamed in from everywhere and a few even crossed the entire continental US just to be there. My family had invited everyone we knew and it was going to be one of the greatest family reunions I would have be witness to. We had rented a small section of a park somewhere in Maine and we bought hundreds of paper plates, forks, spoons, napkins, you name it we got it. Everyone brought something to the party so we wouldn't have to all the cooking work ourselves. Everyone pitched in to make this party as great as it could be. One of my cousins was the head chef at some five star restaurant and prepared one of the greatest seafood dishes I had ever tasted, and I hate seafood too! It's that disgusting sea taste which just shits everything up.

The countryside is absolutely gorgeous in the summertime, with all the trees in bloom. My family arrived there sometime around five o'clock in the afternoon so it was just getting dark. We all stayed in a river-side hotel which my uncle owned and we all stepped outside of our rooms to watch the sunset down, the sunlight filtering through the clouds, reflecting off the crystal-clear pristine water, and the foggy New England mountains off in the distance. It was an absolutely beautiful sight and you could see for miles on end.

Anyways, after watching the sunset, we unpacked our bags and checked out the rooms. I was going to share my room with my sister and she quickly took a shower so I couldn't hide the little bottles of soap and shampoo from her. Smart little bitch, she is. I flipped through a few channels on the TV only to find out that nothing was on so I just nested myself in some boring drama show. I was bored out of my ****ing mind and so, it only took a few moments before I dozed off to sleep with crazily awesome dreams of defeating a dystopian government with millons of other rebels by charging en masse to their headquarters and saving my crush-at-the-time only to have hot sweaty sex on the streets afterwards.

Morningtime came and I woke up, wide and refreshed for the day's Great Picnic. We got dressed and ready, ate an extremely good breakfast courtesy of my uncle and drove off towards the picnic zone. However, something was not right. Something dastardly was afoot.

In the middle of the ****ing streets was a gang. A street gang. With black people. We knew they were going to rob us. They had guns. They could kill us. But luckily, the older male members of the family at the time had planned a hunting trip, something which none of them could pass up.

What followed next was the most amazing thing I have ever been witness to in my life. My uncles jumped out of their SUVs, dodging wave after wave of submachine gun and pistol fire. I pulled out my pistol, given to me by my late grandfather when I became a man at my Bar Christah. A Bar Christah is like a Bar Mitsvah except for Christians. It's an old and honorable tradition in my family. I quickly popped one gangsta in the knee and he dropped on the floor crying like a damn baby. That's what you ****ing get for trying to **** with my Great American Barbecue Picnic, you dirty Spanish moor. Want some more, Moor? I turned to my right and saw that my sister with this look of pure horror on her face, but it wasn't pure horror, it was an orgasm. She was shooting her first automatic rifle in to some dirty gangstas and popped a few suckas in their head, killing them automatically. Behind me was my aunt, in the middle of an orgy with my uncles as they ****ed up some underwearing slinging playas in the groin. MAH BALLS, they shouted as they grasped their crotch, trying to keep their genitals from falling off. I ****ing laughed.

It was only a few minutes more before we all succumbed into the Great American Barbecue Picnic Orgy of all time. It was so awesome. At the end of our day, our family kill count was about 103, a new high score for the history books my grandpa said. I killed three on my own. One with my pistol, two with a WWII pineapple grenade. It was that day that I knew that I had truly become a man.

And that, my friends, is the story of the Greatest American Barbecue Picnic ever.

 

[Steve]

Shens, you are so.....

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Shooting a gun is fine. I don't see why she needs to learn how to fire a machine gun. That's incredibly unecessary.

She doesn't, the machine gun shoot is just for fun, but Stern seems to think anyone who does so is a scumbag of a parent which is highly offensive.

 

[Vegeta897]

/bows down to Shens, as always

That would make the most epic shortfilm.

 

[Steve]

Make it so, veggie.

 

[DeusExMachina]

She doesn't, the machine gun shoot is just for fun, but Stern seems to think anyone who does so is a scumbag of a parent which is highly offensive.

I think learning how to fire that kind of gun at the age is...well, it would've been better when she were at least 14 or so.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I think learning how to fire that kind of gun at the age is...well, it would've been better when she were at least 14 or so.

I don't get how it even matters. Age limit makes sense for unsupervised use but not anything else.

It's like how when you buy a quad, it says "for age 16 and up" That's meant to be unsupervised use. Everybody learns how to use them little under supervision and when they're old enough go off on their own with them. Same with firearms.

 

[Flyingdebris]

The argument that people should not know about machineguns is not a valid point.

If people are interested in learning about something they will learn about it. Are you going to thought police them to not inquire further on how MGs work?

These MG recreationalists are not hurting anyone except for derelict cars and oil drums. Let them have their high velocity fun. And if a dad wants to share his hobby with his daughter, then by all means.

and if by any chance she ever ends up in an action movie type situation where she has to use a heavy machinegun, dammit, she'll know how.

 

[OvA]

*lots and lots of jibba jabba

<generic joke concerning Stern's pseudo moral superiority and Candada's inferiority to the United States>

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

You're a fool. You NEED to teach children how to be safe around firearms at a young age. The reason gun tragedies happen is when they DON'T know how to be safe around them.

Teaching children to be safe around dangerous things is a very good thing, you have a point there. I will never object to that as long as it's done in a controlled and safe environment.


This particular example however doesn't look very educational to me. What are the chances that a 5 year old kid accidently stumbles upon that machinegun she is firing? Why not let her throw a grenade or fire a bazooka as well while we're at it. Or, to be completely safe, let's show her how to have safe anal sex with a horse, that might happen at one time in her life eeh? Hey! let's not forget to teach them the difference between asprine and valium, okay?

My point: it's a sliding scale, where do you stop educating and go over the top? Some things you just hide away from kids and if they do stumble upon them, it's your fault as a parent that you have them in the house at the first place and didn't lock them away properly.
Kids need to stay kids. No matter how much you teach them, at some point curiosity and playfulness will take over the common sense that adults (most of the time) do have.

 

[dream431ca]

That's pretty crazy. I've never seen one of those. Just make sure no one jumps in the way.

 

[Razor]

ROFL!!!! haha so true.
Agree'd -> right now im a nervous around guns and probably would be a little "shocked" at first when people fire guns near me, not to mention piss my pants when somebody fires AT ME...
Personally i find that a healthy attitude towards weapons of death!
I've seen and experienced alot of violance but gun violance is scary, as its the ultimate weapon of death!

Imo that girl should be scared of that gun + sound instead of playing with it like a toy "pow pow eat this".

Guns belong in the army, you like guns? join the army

Nevertheless like i said its the little demon of coolness that tells me : "man i'd love to go at it with that M60 or minigun on such a field"
But, kids should not be there, they dont need to know the world of guns, or be confronted with it.

I had the same feelings around guns that you had until i was trained how to use one and operate one safely, now, they're just a tool to me.

I do believe that people, who haven't got a criminal record and have been shown to be responsible members of society should be able to have guns but getting a gun and using one should be the same as driving a car and using one, you need to take tests to prove you know how to use it responsibly. It's the untrained people that cause the accidents.

Case in point, before i was even allowed anywhere near live ammunition with my gun, i had to go through a Weapons Handling Test. In the test, i would be tested upon how fast i can load a magazine, if i knew how to make the gun safe, hand the gun to another person, do checks on the gun, clean the gun, unload the gun, reload the gun...if you fail, no live ammo shoot for you.


But if it is a case that families have guns in their house, then i do think it's wise to introduce guns to the children in a controlled and supervised enviroment. If they don't have guns and aren't going to stumble upon the guns, then a lot more people might deem it irresponsible but i do still think it's a father/mother introducing their children to a hobby that they can enjoy together. You have to remember, people who have lived round guns and fired guns all their lives see guns differently to people who have never operated guns before, those people generally fear guns and do stupid things around guns, especially if they have a loaded gun in their hand.


And CptStern, i think you should read through Shen's post to see why children trained to use deadly weapons is a good thing. A family was brought together by guns and brought them closer together then ever before as they massacred members of the criminal underworld...you couldn't do that with more "wholesome" hobbies like fishing or incest.

 

[Raziaar]

The only guns I want are airsoft exact replicas to hang on my bedroom walls. They look so awesome on there. I want one of every gun I find interesting looking.

Real guns scare me.

 

[Razor]

I bet I could show that video to dozens of parents and they would be horrified ..to you people it's perfectly norma because the US worships the gun culturel but to the rest of the world it's completely inappropriate to instruct a child in the use of an instrument of death

would you let a child play with knives? or poison? or fire? ...why is this any different? what if they gun misfired and she was injured or worse killed ..the parents would be charged with negligence causing bodily harm and would most likely do jail time or at the very least lose custody of whatever other children they may have (till a proper assessment is made)

There was a report in a British newspaper a couple of weeks ago, the police had gone into a school to instruct them about guns and gun safety and just happened to have taken a few guns to show the kids. The police taught the children about guns, the dangers of guns and that guns are nothing special...unfortunately, a couple of parents did take it badly though. But like i said, i would rather have children being shown guns and being taught about guns in a controlled enviroment that is safe and supervised, rather than stumbling across one in the streets in their home.