The Origin Of The Combine?

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yea... when i was in the anti-citizen1 chapter, i found this picture on a wall (ovbiously) :afro: :sniper:
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well... evolution... we (supposedly) started as apes... then we evolved into humans. After that, we probably evolved into the combine, as in the picture.
 
Seen that on the halflife saga website :O

And its not the combine its humans.

its saying that we started of as apes then became humans and the next step of evolution is combine.
 
Old, really, really old. People found it about one hour after the game's release.
 
Yeah, the combine soldiers aren't really true "Combine", just humans who have been "upgraded" with all kinds of circuitry and shit. It's my understanding that the actual combine are a race we haven't even seen yet (aside from the big thing on Breen's screen).
 
Well, it's not really evolution then is it? As in, changed characteristics that come out because of better adaptation to the environment. It's just forced, artificial change.
 
pomegranate said:
Well, it's not really evolution then is it? As in, changed characteristics that come out because of better adaptation to the environment. It's just forced, artificial change.
I think that's the idea - nature will only take us so far, and at a usless speed. Thus we evolve ourselves.
 
That picture is just a part of Combine's propoganda to convince the humans that the evolution is the best way for human. To convince them to change into a Overwatchers.
 
el Chi said:
I think that's the idea - nature will only take us so far, and at a usless speed. Thus we evolve ourselves.
Not to labour a point, but wouldn't "develop" be more appropriate? I just think it's best to not confuse the fact that an important part of evolution is that it happens "automatically", with characteristics slowly emerging by survival of the fittest.....so 'evolving ourselves' is quite a different thing..."redesigning", perhaps.
 
pomegranate said:
Well, it's not really evolution then is it? As in, changed characteristics that come out because of better adaptation to the environment. It's just forced, artificial change.

Evolution-- A continuing process of change from one state or condition to another or from one form to another.

( www.dictionary.com )

It just depends on what definition of evolution you use.
 
It's a simple symbolic parallel.

Moderns humans are generally believed to be superior to apes, from whom we evolved (more or less). Even if the process of evolution into combine isn't the same you can understand the parallel.
 
It can't be evolution, as the picture reads: Overwatch > Human > Ape. If it was evolution, it would be Ape > Human > Overwatch, right? We read from the left to the right, not the other way round.

It could mean dominence, as in, the Overwatch overpowers the humans, who overpower the apes, and as far as I know, the Combine don't beleive in propaganda (because they're already dominent), so why would a resistance member paint something like that?
 
First of all, one of the picture is NOT the Combine. The picture could have been a representation of the Combine.

Second of all, how in the hell do you know that the resistance member drew that picture?

Third of all, you read from left to right. But there's no reason to look at the pictures from left to right. You can look at the pictures from any direction you want.

Fourth of all, it's a Combine Propaganda from Breen. It's a Breen's job to spread their ideaology to humans as an Administrator.

If it indeed was a resistance member who draw that picture, why would he/she compare humans lesser to apes? It wouldn't totally make sense if the picture was apes > humans > combines which means apes are superior to humans.

The picture proves that becoming the Overwatchers (I repeat the picture is NOT a combine. Combine does not look like Overwatcher) is the next step for humanity or evolution if you want to put it that way.
 
I repeat the picture is NOT a combine. Combine does not look like Overwatcher

I think that when people become part of the Overwatch, they become cybernetically enhanced and their will is bound (somehow) to the Combine. Since the Combine is made up of many assimilated races, you could say that Overwatch "humans" are now a part of the Combine... although maybe not the "original" Combine race.
 
well, as far as I know... that pic meant that the combine is our next step in evolution.
 
First of all, one of the picture is NOT the Combine. The picture could have been a representation of the Combine.
The Overwatch is a part of the Combine, therefore the picture is Combine. The original Combine race (which now heavily depends on its own technology) isn't seen in HL2 (except for the Advisor).

Second of all, how in the hell do you know that the resistance member drew that picture?
Because I have never seen Combine graffiti (yes, propaganda posters, but not graffiti). Plus, if you want proof, play the Coast levels. You'll see the same graffiti drawn behind a huge gas tank, where a resistance member lies dead with a can of spraypaint if I'm not mistaken.

Third of all, you read from left to right. But there's no reason to look at the pictures from left to right. You can look at the pictures from any direction you want.
I don't know about you, but I read from the left to the right, and to me, that picture says Overwatch > Human > Ape. The actual meaning of the picture is open to discussions. If you like reading things backwards, then it could indeed represent evolution. Ask yourself, what kind of crazy resistance member (or Combine if you beleive so) would paint a picture representing evolution backwards?

Fourth of all, it's a Combine Propaganda from Breen. It's a Breen's job to spread their ideaology to humans as an Administrator.
As far as I know, the Combine use posters and Breencasts as propaganda, not graffiti.

If it indeed was a resistance member who draw that picture, why would he/she compare humans lesser to apes? It wouldn't totally make sense if the picture was apes > humans > combines which means apes are superior to humans.
That's not what I said. Read my post again. When I said Ape > Human > Combine, I meant that that would be the correct order if it were to represent evolution. The other order (Combine > Human > Ape) could mean dominence, but a resistance member would have no reason to paint something like that. The meaning of the graffiti is open to debate.
 
I dont know but i think some grafitti guy was just messing around, painting the evolutions of humankind. The third painting (combine) might be the next possible human form, which they are fighting against for.
 
Perhaps it's a bitter enviromentalist Rebel, illustrating his belief that humans should just revert to nature for the good of the planet?
 
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