Blu Ray and how they might use it.

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If you are a Sony Playstation or Xbox gamer you might want to spend the 5 or 10 minutes and read this. The inner workings

some facts may not be accurate and everything else here is speculation and rumor and rumors based on facts ;) feel free to correct anything you know to be false

Did you notice Sony is releasing game systems like every what 6 years?
Microsoft seems to be on schedule to release one about every 3.

Sony is behind Movies, Music, T.V.'s, Video Games, Portable music players, digital cameras, movie cameras and huge online MMORPG's like Everquest, among other things.

About the Blu Ray disc technology:
As for the Playstation 3 using Blu Ray this would be good for them. These discs are about 50GB and would have no problems for games like Everquest III years down the line. My guess, there is no way they are going to release a new Playstation untill about 2011 or later, and you can bet it will continue to sell for years after that simply becuase of the way they are marketing it to be supported and used with Blu Ray.

Now Microsoft seems to have a different plan.

They May release an Xbox 540 in 3-5 years, when HD DVD or Blu Ray or whatever format everyone goes with. This new system would support whatever the next disc format is.


Their PS2 is still selling well; for example after what? 5 years?

Another reason they are pushing this Blu Ray drive is becuase their media is being stolen from them by pirating, bootlegging, copying-whatever you want to call it.

This Blu Ray drive has patented technology that could prevent you from playing used, borrowed, or pirated media. Whether they CHOOSE to use it is not my decision.

I will dub this a "lock" or "block"

What types of media they will lock is unknown but you can be sure they will use it. For example they may put a lock on their video games, but they would not lock your stuff from your Blu Ray movie camera obviously.

Now before you panic, im thinking if they do lock games to 1 system they would know that everything that sells is not going to sell again.
Think about this:
1 person buys a game plays it for a month and trades it in, next person buys that same game(used) plays it for a month and trades it in., etc., etc,. etc.
Now, consider the playstation 3 being in use for 10 years from now think of how many times that ONE game they sold then re-sold to 50 PEOPLE! Thats $2,500 dollars they lost on only 1 game!

Sony is not going through this drastic measure of disc security just to piss everyone off.

The other thing is, for those people that would take their broken PS3 back to the store and try getting a new one for free, their discs wont work.

They want to encourage people to send it to be repaired instead of tricking Stores, switching a broken PS3 for a brand new one.

ALSO, IF THEY LOCK each game to 1 system they can CHOOSE to sell their games for much much less.

of course at the games release they will ask as much as they can, but they can lower it $5 every 2 months for example, and settle on a $20 selling point. not that Microsofts xbox games will not price compete. but sony is thinking future profits.


They could make the decision to only block any pirated discs.
How they will know if its pirated? I don't know. It seems like they would like to go as far as to send info over the internet to Sony if your system detects a Bootleg movie or game. They are going to do anything they can if this will prevent theft and money loss in the .. lets say millions, hell billions of dollars over a long term. (just a guess) Its obviously enough money to make them go to this measure.

BUT microsofts system will not be around as long, it has a shorter shelf life. They don't care as much if there are 1 million used games out there, being re-sold, in a few years they will be creating a bigger, better system (xbox 540?)that supports whatever type of disc (even blu ray with disc security if this becomes the leading format) and then Microsoft now has this disc security also.

Both Companies win. And with them competing with each other? This is always good. It is clear to me that both companies are going to be successfull with their game systems and future game systems well beyond the next decade.


This is all just my observations and researching, mostly just thinking. Listening to rumors and trying to find the logic.
so who knows?

not me. ;)

Perhaps:
Microsoft wants you to use your PC to control your life and Sony wants to use a Playstation.

How? Its called a hub.

Microsofts hub is the PC running windows, linked to an xbox540 with blu ray or HD DVD whatever catches on.

Sonys hub will be the Playstation3 with blu ray. This is what will hook up to all your electronics like cameras, and will play your movies and games

You can bet sony playstations will have keyboards and mice and things. Sony COMPUTER entertainment.

Anyway. This is how i see it going down. What these companies do in the future is probably not even clear to them. But they are planning.

Someone will start reading this and will not like what im saying and will not even finish reading it and will say this is a load of crap. And it is! w00t. Im merely speculating! hahahaha :rolling:

I find all this very interesting. Hopefully you did too. Let me know. I like talking about things like this.
 
Bill Gates said something along the lines of,

Blu Ray and HD will probably be the last physical formats

But hey he said we would never need more then 128k of RAM :)
 
PsychoFreak said:
Bill Gates said something along the lines of,



But hey he said we would never need more then 128k of RAM :)


pffft who does need more then 128k of ram?
 
First off, I have to agree with Billy-boy on this one--I don't think there will necessarily need to be a larger format media in the future. Networked broadband-capable HD households with large HDDs is what everyone envisions for the future of media delivery. A bit absurd right now for me to imagine downloading high-def movies and bonus content via broadband as it now stands, but pipes will undoubtedly get wider and info will flow at unprecedented rates. Should be pretty interesting. :naughty:

However, even if Blu-Ray wins the format war (which it most likely will at this point), I highly doubt if any MS product will ever have a Blu-Ray drive since Sony had a hand in developing the technology and currently sit on the Board of Directors for the BDA (Blu-ray Disc Association)...along with Apple too. :E

And don't worry about all of the crazy security rumors--the recent DRM debacle will play a large role in re-examining their policies toward Blu-ray tech.
 
Could you possibly translate that into something that doesn't stab my eyes.
 
Absinthe said:
Could you possibly translate that into something that doesn't stab my eyes.

Sony and Microsoft are going to tagteam gangrape you
 
I've taken double anal penetration before. My wounds have healed and I'm a stronger man for it. I think I can take 'em on.
 
Absinthe said:
I've taken double anal penetration before. My wounds have healed and I'm a stronger man for it. I think I can take 'em on.

u think so huh? :E
well im not one to support piracy but realistically, pirates are just gonna find another way and be more vigilant in hammering home the point...which i am not sure what is...but whatever.

costs might be lower for games but for young people that will still always be a problem because not all young people are neccessarily working so their games budget is very limited.
 
i label that 'article' as mindless paranoid dribble, loosely based on facts.

lol @ absinthe's comment.
 
They will never "lock" a game to a specific system....and it would cost WAY more to do that, than them losing $2,500 for one game when someone sells it and someone else buys it. (Even when someone else buys a used copy from a store, the company still gets some money for the game). And I don't see how it is possible to do so. That would be some interesting engineering.
 
It's important to remember that none of this is set in stone or anything more than speculation.


dream431ca said:
They will never "lock" a game to a specific system....and it would cost WAY more to do that, than them losing $2,500 for one game when someone sells it and someone else buys it..

how do you figure? they already patented the technology. they have already spent the money to do it.
dream431ca said:
(Even when someone else buys a used copy from a store, the company still gets some money for the game).
How do you figure? As far as i know, sony or microsoft or nintendo doesn't get any money when A used game store sells a used game. Never heard of such a thing.
dream432ca said:
And I don't see how it is possible to do so. That would be some interesting engineering.
its already been done. Each disc, when manufactured, has a serial number, when u turn on your PS3 it reads and stores the serial number along with the name of the game or movie, which would also be printed on the disc.
After all, this is Sony's disc and Sony's disc drive.

VictimofScience said:
However, even if Blu-Ray wins the format war (which it most likely will at this point), I highly doubt if any MS product will ever have a Blu-Ray drive since Sony had a hand in developing the technology and currently sit on the Board of Directors for the BDA (Blu-ray Disc Association)...along with Apple too.

And yes i was wondering how it would work, don't you think Sony would not want Microsoft to be able to use their Blu Ray technology? If it is successful in becoming the main media type? After all Microsoft has become their biggest competitor in the video game console market. I don't know how it works. By law, they may not have a right to exclude microsoft from using Blu Ray, and if they do, do you think microsoft is going to care? This will create a world with 2 main media types-which is going to be quite annoying for us consumers. They could also do what Nintendo did for their Gamecube and create their own discs.

Dr. Freeman said:
well im not one to support piracy but realistically, pirates are just gonna find another way and be more vigilant

Some of them, but I think this is going to make it so 99% of the problem is gone. Actually i think the biggest method they are trying to block is the used game trade. And retail stores are going to love this. this means you have to go to the software store to get any games anymore.

The only thing I can think of is that you could open the case, possibly reset the life-time battery back-up (which i assume is the method) which wont be easily accessable.
Once you do that you break the warranty seal sticker on the case of the PS3. Which means you can never send Sony your PS3 to be repaired.

Belive it or not, Sony could design the case so that if you open it, it will automatically disable the PS3 from working again. Requiring equipment at their PS3 repair center to reset. They aren't ****ing stupid guys. Sort of like modern cars, where it requires special equipment to reset the "service engine" light and things like that.

I've taken my PS2 apart before twice when it stoped working and let me tell you although i fixed it by cleaning the lazer eye and vacumming all the dust out, it was difficult to re-assemble the PS2.
I have a 20 years of experience taking things apart and some electronics education. a brother that is an aero-space engineer, and a brother that is a electronic technitian and a computer programer. If I had trouble doing it, most people wouldn't be able to.

It will be interesting to find that I am right about everything. But I would be glad if I was wrong. Sorry.
 
VirusType2 said:
They aren't ****ing stupid guys.

I've taken my PS2 apart before twice when it stoped working and let me tell you although i fixed it by cleaning the lazer eye and vacumming all the dust out, it was very difficult to re-assemble the PS2.

It will be interesting to find that I am right about everything. But I would be glad if I was wrong. Sorry.
in light of the recent things they've done, and in the past, some people can easily call them stupid. :)

lol @ your comment about it being difficult to put back together .. i think that's just how it was made, i don't think they planned on stopping piracy [mods] by making the cases hard to reassemble.

also, if it's based on a serial, wouldn't a way to circumvent it would be to just insert the serial/game name into your ps3, of course, you would need to do some hacking/modifying which i'm sure will be possible.

about them being able to exlude microsoft, well, wouldn't that be like the case against microsoft in eu where they were forced to not bundle wmp with xp. i doubt sony will be able to block someone from using their hardware, it sounds alot worse than ms simply bundling wmp with their os.
 
VictimOfScience said:
First off, I have to agree with Billy-boy on this one--I don't think there will necessarily need to be a larger format media in the future. Networked broadband-capable HD households with large HDDs is what everyone envisions for the future of media delivery. A bit absurd right now for me to imagine downloading high-def movies and bonus content via broadband as it now stands, but pipes will undoubtedly get wider and info will flow at unprecedented rates. Should be pretty interesting. :naughty:

However, even if Blu-Ray wins the format war (which it most likely will at this point), I highly doubt if any MS product will ever have a Blu-Ray drive since Sony had a hand in developing the technology and currently sit on the Board of Directors for the BDA (Blu-ray Disc Association)...along with Apple too. :E

And don't worry about all of the crazy security rumors--the recent DRM debacle will play a large role in re-examining their policies toward Blu-ray tech.

The video industry isn't choosing one format over the other. They did that with VHS and [something], and don't want the same thing to happen again.
 
PsychoFreak said:
The video industry isn't choosing one format over the other. They did that with VHS and [something], and don't want the same thing to happen again.
Betamax tapes. they were better than VHS. (god i just dated myself)
BetaMax and LazerDisc were both technically superior, but just didn't catch on

I have been thinking about that lately myself. I hope they stick with the superior format, so 15 years from now i wont be like dam they should have used the better one.

But Betamax offered superior picture quality, Blu Ray and HD DVD will not affect picture quality. There are differences in storage space, cost, and disc access speed.

I hope they make the right choice, if the industry even makes a choice as opposed to using both
 
Seems to be the same with MiniDiscs and CDs. Damn it's a cruel buisness world!

But what about HD?
 
Well, hell, after all my speculation on how this technology works, click this link below(which i pulled from a similar thread) ((ops))
This was the part i couldn't figure out. How it would know if the software was new or not. Here is the answer.

http://www.armchairempire.com/Editorials/playstation-3-only-new-will-do.htm
The Mullinator said:
I just found this article:
http://www.armchairempire.com/Editorials/playstation-3-only-new-will-do.htm

And it is making me think that there is a chance that the PS3 will use this.

Quote:
This isn’t merely a coincidental side effect of this new DRM technology for Sony either. The company appears to be going out of their way to ensure that used games cannot be played on the PS3. This can be seen later in the patent filing, “It is an object of the present invention to provide a disk
recording medium for the protection of legitimate recorded media in which security is maintained so that the sale of used software and counterfeit software can be prevented.”

Recently a couple of high-profile industry figures have stepped forward to criticize the used game market: David Jaffe (creator of God of War), and Mark Rein (President of Epic Games). On top of this, a few years ago a number of Japanese game publishers were embroiled in a lawsuit to prevent the sale of used games by retailers in Japan. Although the lawsuit failed, in time Japanese publishers did managed to prevent the rental of videogames in their home market. With these facts in mind, it does suggest that there is a strong anti-used games sentiment in the development community.

And here is something else:
techtree.com said:
The rival HD-DVD technology is likely to survive as a PC standard, but Blu-ray will dominate in the market for stand-alone players and recorders. According to this report, the standards battle reflects increased polarization between alternative visions of the digital home, PC community led by Intel and Microsoft on one side and Sony and the other consumer electronics majors on the other.
the rest is here:
http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp/article.jsp?article_id=69129&cat_id=547

So my best guess is that Microsoft will use the HD DVD format in Xbox 540's or 720's or whatever they wiill call it. Which means you would be able to rent or buy used games on Microsoft systems and not Sony systems, if Sony actually does use their technology. it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.


Does anyone know what format the Nintendo Revolution will be using?
 
Instead of a tray, Revolution uses a single, self-loading media bay that will play both 12-centimeter optical discs used for the new system, as well as Nintendo GameCube discs. And with a small, self-contained attachment, Revolution will play movies and other DVD content.

Apparently
 
VirusType2 said:
And yes i was wondering how it would work, don't you think Sony would not want Microsoft to be able to use their Blu Ray technology? If it is successful in becoming the main media type? After all Microsoft has become their biggest competitor in the video game console market. I don't know how it works. By law, they may not have a right to exclude microsoft from using Blu Ray, and if they do, do you think microsoft is going to care? This will create a world with 2 main media types-which is going to be quite annoying for us consumers. They could also do what Nintendo did for their Gamecube and create their own discs.

No, all I was saying is that I don't think MS would be too terribly thrilled to use Sony/Apple parts in their devices as they would have to pay them for it. Sony would love that opportunity.
PsychoFreak said:
The video industry isn't choosing one format over the other. They did that with VHS and [something], and don't want the same thing to happen again.
No, but every major industry that has a stake in media is choosing sides right now. When one becomes too dominant, that will be the end of the format war. And the biggest deciding factor in all of this will be Hollywood and what format the studios accept. All but one of the major film studios (Universal) are backing Bly-ray right now, some after previously supporting HD-DVD, so the tide has been shifting towards Blu-ray heavily and I predict that its only a matter of time before it takes over completely. (Also good to note that the p0rn industry had A LOT to do with VHS taking over in the way that it did, so it will be interesting to see what happens on that front as well :naughty: ).
Does anyone know what format the Nintendo Revolution will be using?
Standard DVD. I have no problem with that either. Given how great they can get RE4 to look on discs that equal less storage than the standard DVD, it will be terrific that one can actually play regular DVD movies and play amazing games on the Rev too.
 
MS probably thinks that Blu Ray isn't going to suceed, because of it's price. I think they are actually thinking about their customers for this (Some may think this is impossible, I think they do it quite a lot.). It saves you a few hundred dollars just to have 1 disk instead of 2 or 3. Big deal, Xbox 360 just has more discs for a game. My only problem is loading times, I dunno how you get past that though.
 
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