Religous freaks

[dream431ca]

Ever met someone who just bothered you with some religous nonsense?? I do follow the christian faith, but I don't go around everywhere yelling out phrases from the bible or quoting things Jesus or anyone else said..these people make me feel embarresed and a bit angry.

Especially the Jahova's witnesses. They come to your door and very nicely ask if you want to change your religion to their religion? What is the big deal about belief and religion?? Some people are so serious about these things life appears oblivious around them. They go around believing that their belief covers up all other beliefs and for what?? I think this is about status more than belief. What do religions like this want?? more people to join.

I say if you believe in something you stick to it, but don't go barging to other people's houses telling them why your belief is so much better. I hate those people... I want to make a sign saying:

"What you believe is your business...if you try and force your belief on me...I'll take you out to the woods and disembowel you with a wooden cooking spoon."

Seriously these people need to learn the word "Respect". These people can only be classified as religous freaks. That's my wrap on things...fun to discuss but very irritating in real life.

 

[short recoil]

I don't mind people having views on anything as long as it dosn't affect me, naturally.
I hate it when someone judges you because of their religion or view, this happens every day of my life and there is nothing i can do about it.
I don't affect other humans unless they affect me.
Jehovas annoy me, but i find them very entertaining, when they come to the door i actually talk to them and completely pwn them, they walk away calling me "evil" or something, i show them no disrespect, just the logical inconsistencies and non relevance of points they make.
I ask them "why do you want me to become a jehova"
"why should you follow the path of god"
"Why are you a jehova"
pick up a stone and ask "why is this stone here"
"why do you indoctrinate the child you have with you"
"What do you want to do in your life"
"if there is a god then why can i do this".....as i plunge a pin into my finger.

I love freaking them out and seeing the expression on their face, i cause no offence, no harm......if they were to return later at unfriendly hours and attempt to do something to my house then i would react, thankfully they tend to not be chavs so i'm ok.

 

[lePobz]

Yeah there's a guy that hangs around my towns' centre quoting stuff from the bible... I'm sure in his mind he's doing the right thing ... but he should understand that it's still only a belief he has, and people with different beliefs can find him offensive.

Religion would be fine if people weren't so dismissive of other religions. I think everyone should just agree to disagree, and not go proclaiming their beliefs in public.

I think the Gouranga people are cool though, they're always so damn happy.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

People take themselves too seriously... Honestly why are you offended when someone shows your their beliefs? Especially if you know their intentions are good.

 

[CptStern]

ya, there's this religious guy at work that's nice enough ..he's the IT guy so we talk quite a bit ...but whever the subject turns to same sex marriage he gets this strange look in his eye ...his face visibly changes and I just know he wants to say something but restrains himself ...but that wnt stop him from saying something about god's plan not including homosexuals


also awile back at our company pot luck christmas party ..someone suggested we should have said "grace" ...I rolled my eyes and one of my co-workers joked "stern you dont want to say grace?" and I said something like "why should I have to say something I dont believe in" ....and someone piped up: "what? you dont believe in the bible?" ..at a table of about 28 people ..everything got quite ...thru clenched teeth I muttered something about my rule of not discussing religion at the dinner table



I just hate it when people try to bring up god in every conversation ...I always want to tell them to "stfu, churchy" instead I just listen and nod my head

 

[KoreBolteR]

yeah, i think people shouldnt be able to bother you on the streets or at your front doors, its harrasment..
trying to get you join thier religion, what a farce, if i want to become religious, ill do it of my own accord, not some weirdo knocking my door throwing leaflets at my face.

they are exactly the same as these phone calls going around, "will you want a new double glazing to warm up your house?", no fo.

imo they waste thier lives trying to convert people to religion, i dont mind them if they keep themselves to themselves, fair enuff. but DONT try and force me into it, i dislike all this bible stuff tbh.

 

[dream431ca]

People take themselves too seriously... Honestly why are you offended when someone shows your their beliefs? Especially if you know their intentions are good.

It's not the fact of them showing their beliefs, it's them forcing their beliefs or taking a long time to explain why their beliefs are so much better than other people's beliefs or my beliefs..Make no mistake I do like the concept of other beliefs but when people get in your face about their beliefs..that's what irritates me.

 

[CREMATOR666]

I'm a Christian...yet my Bible is dusty and my Sunday spent pwning people on CSS servers....

 

[Dalamari]

I had a arguement with a jesus freak in my school about if Jim Morrison went to heaven or not, was mighty fun

 

[Absinthe]

I don't go out of my way to convert people to atheism. I do not stop people up in the streets and ask them to question their God. I do not go door to door and toss down a pamphlet of logical fallacies. I do not park my ass on a sidewalk and yell out that God does not exist.

I would appreciate it if those with faith would do the same.

People take themselves too seriously... Honestly why are you offended when someone shows your their beliefs? Especially if you know their intentions are good.

It's rude, unasked for, and somewhat condescending. If I want to join your faith, I'll do it on my own time, thankyouverymuch.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

We've had a christian fanatic outside Liverpool Uni, very entertaining to watch when he's on the upturned soapbox.

Then he goes rock-bottom when he starts to cuss Muslim's, Sikh's, Hindu's and Buddhist because they are not the true path of God. To be personally honest these kind of people are irrational and offensive and could be dangerous to themselves and everybody else.

Not saying all fanatics are bad though

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

It's rude, unasked for, and somewhat condescending. If I want to join your faith, I'll do it on my own time, thankyouverymuch.

It's not the fact of them showing their beliefs, it's them forcing their beliefs or taking a long time to explain why their beliefs are so much better than other people's beliefs or my beliefs..Make no mistake I do like the concept of other beliefs but when people get in your face about their beliefs..that's what irritates me.

They're not forcing their beliefs at all... You'l find its quite hard to force someone to believe something, almost impossible in fact.

They're no worse than anyone on this forum make a thread about a new game they tried. Its not Half-Life 2 :O Thats not why I came here!.

Honestly you're just offended too easily. Stop taking yourself so seriously. And if you know someone is being condescending, then why are you bothered? Obviously the fact that you recognise it, means that they're unjustified(at least in your mind) in what they're saying so why are you bothered? Its like being falsely accused of something. If you didn't do it, then what do you care?

You have to understand these people are doing it, because they geniunly believe its in your best interest. So knowing that, why are you so annoyed by it? I know I want all my friends to be Christian. And no I don't go shouting it out everywhere, I just try to live by example which is the best way to do anything in my view. But I'm not gonne moan about people on soap boxes. Don't forget...this is a country(along with most of countries represented here) which supposedly has freedom of speech. Its their right to say what they want.

Anyway, arguing religion is pointless. I dont think anyone has ever been saved by being argued with, so I'm just not going to carry on with this.

 

[Absinthe]

They're not forcing their beliefs at all... You'l find its quite hard to force someone to believe something, almost impossible in fact.

Have you ever come across a Jehovah's witness on your doorstep? Or raving bible-thumping loonies in the street? The polite chat is a veil for their insistence on "saving" you.

They're no worse than anyone on this forum make a thread about a new game they tried. Its not Half-Life 2 :O Thats not why I came here!.

Difference: I don't need to read their thread.

Honestly you're just offended too easily. Stop taking yourself so seriously. And if you know someone is being condescending, then why are you bothered? Obviously the fact that you recognise it, means that they're unjustified(at least in your mind) in what they're saying so why are you bothered? Its like being falsely accused of something. If you didn't do it, then what do you care?

Might as well ask why I'm offended if somebody is rude, or when they insult me, or when they spread hate speech regarding my particular background or physical features.

Why am I bothered? Because I don't like being targeted. I don't like being badgered when I'm clearly not interested. I don't like some person acting as if he's superior to me because I'm not of his faith, regardless of their good intentions. And I'm really not understanding your whole "false accusation" argument. Personally, I do care when I'm being accused of something I didn't do.

You ahve to understand these people are doing it, because they geniunly believe its in your best interest. So knowing that, why are you so annoyed by it?

Because it's tiresome, bothersome, and their persistence in converting me or getting to heed their nonsense grates my nerves. I may think that beating you over the head with a shoe may be in your best interests, but you wouldn't appreciate it, now would you?

I know I want all my friends to be Christian. And no I don't go shouting it out everywhere, I just try to live by example which is the best way to do anything in my view. But I'm not gonne moan about people on soap boxes.

You don't need to moan. But you can still be irritated. I don't have an off switch for these perfectly rational emotional reactions.

Don't forget...this is a country(along with most of countries represented here) which supposedly has freedom of speech. Its their right to say what they want.

And it's my right to be annoyed and express said annoyance.

 

[alehm]

Just imagine, if Jesus just told his diciples to keep their faith to themselves the world would be a better place. But no, Jesus had to tell his followers he was the only way to heaven and to share that message with the world. Man that Jesus is the worst religious person evar!

:flame: :angel: :cheese:

 

[Foxtrot]

ya, there's this religious guy at work that's nice enough ..he's the IT guy so we talk quite a bit ...but whever the subject turns to same sex marriage he gets this strange look in his eye ...his face visibly changes and I just know he wants to say something but restrains himself ...but that wnt stop him from saying something about god's plan not including homosexuals


also awile back at our company pot luck christmas party ..someone suggested we should have said "grace" ...I rolled my eyes and one of my co-workers joked "stern you dont want to say grace?" and I said something like "why should I have to say something I dont believe in" ....and someone piped up: "what? you dont believe in the bible?" ..at a table of about 28 people ..everything got quite ...thru clenched teeth I muttered something about my rule of not discussing religion at the dinner table



I just hate it when people try to bring up god in every conversation ...I always want to tell them to "stfu, churchy" instead I just listen and nod my head

You can't atleast say grace out of respect? I am not religious at all and the idea of saying grace before you eat is pretty funny, but I still do it out of respect.

 

[Dan]

I met a guy that's planning to become a chaplain. He was the boyfriend of a girl I liked who I hooked up with for a while when he was in another city. Then she dumped me and went back to him. I don't like chaplains anymore.

 

[CptStern]

You can't atleast say grace out of respect? I am not religious at all and the idea of saying grace before you eat is pretty funny, but I still do it out of respect.

why should I? maybe they shouldnt ask to say grace "out of respect" for non-christians

When grace is said I dont bow my head, I dont avert my eyes and I dont say a little prayer ...why should I go thru the motions if I dont believe? That's just being hypocritical. It's the same whenever the discussion comes around to baptism ..I'm not catholic but my parents are ..people ask me if my son will be baptised and I always say the samething: "why should I do something I dont believe in?" ..their response always is: "well you're saving your son's soul" ...and I always respond "I dont see it that way, I dont believe my son was born with sin"

 

[Mikademius]

You mean psychopaths?

 

[Axyon]

You can't atleast say grace out of respect? I am not religious at all and the idea of saying grace before you eat is pretty funny, but I still do it out of respect.

Why? Would the same people who asked for grace be willing to respect my pre-meal ideologies about atheism? I very much doubt it. Some of my best friends are Christian, but you wouldn't know it unless you took an in-depth look into their life. As said, it's those fanatics that try to convince you about 'the way of Jesus/God' or whatever that really, really piss me off. Heck, incidents like singing hymns in primary school annoyed me, and in secondary school expecting to bow your head and close your eyes during a short bible quote (this was a single teacher who did this, thankfully he left the school eventually)... I refused to do so. This was also with children present from a variety of other religions - it's just simply not on.

 

[Foxtrot]

Atheists don't have any pre-meal routines or anything similar to that. If people are offended that you are doing somthing why not just change it? It is simple as that, a very easy compromise and you are losing nothing from it.

 

[CptStern]

why should he change anything to accomodate someone else? Hey if I walk into a muslim house I'll try my best to conform to their practices because I'm a guest ...but dont expect me to do that in public, because in public we are all on equal footing

 

[Absinthe]

Atheists don't have any pre-meal routines or anything similar to that.

Erm... Just because we don't believe in God doesn't mean we can't have pre-meal routines.

Of course, I don't know any atheists that do have pre-meal routines, so I'm just being picky.

If people are offended that you are doing somthing why not just change it? It is simple as that, a very easy compromise and you are losing nothing from it.

What if I'm offended by their inability to accept what I believe? I'd argue that I lose a bit of backbone if I say grace just to appease Christians.

Why is it rude when an atheist doesn't say grace, but it isn't rude when a Christian pressures one into saying it?

 

[ACLeroK212]

Atheists don't have any pre-meal routines or anything similar to that. If people are offended that you are doing somthing why not just change it? It is simple as that, a very easy compromise and you are losing nothing from it.

With that said, the people who want to say grace should be equally as compromising in making sure no one is offended. It's pretty hypocritical in saying one point of view should just compromise in order to not offend the other. Especially when one side of the fence isn't even compromising but just forcing the other side to respect their view.

 

[Foxtrot]

Erm... Just because we don't believe in God doesn't mean we can't have pre-meal routines.

Of course, I don't know any atheists that do have pre-meal routines, so I'm just being picky.



What if I'm offended by their inability to accept what I believe? I'd argue that I lose a bit of backbone if I say grace just to appease Christians.

Why is it rude when an atheist doesn't say grace, but it isn't rude when a Christian pressures one into saying it?

But you are the minority, so they would crush you.

With that said, the people who want to say grace should be equally as compromising in making sure no one is offended. It's pretty hypocritical in saying one point of view should just compromise in order to not offend the other. Especially when one side of the fence isn't even compromising but just forcing the other side to respect their view.

But if the believe God is going to smite them all if someone doesn't say grace, isn't it easier for you to say grace to appease their god than it would be for them to pray for your soul?

Oh and in public, they can eff off unless they invited you.

 

[Absinthe]

But you are the minority, so they would crush you.

Well, that's not exactly the most sensible line of reasoning I've heard.

 

[KoreBolteR]

im not being offensive when i say, i think religion is all made up. :|

 

[Teh_Poet]

Ever met someone who just bothered you with some religous nonsense?? I do follow the christian faith, but I don't go around everywhere yelling out phrases from the bible or quoting things Jesus or anyone else said..these people make me feel embarresed and a bit angry.

Especially the Jahova's witnesses. They come to your door and very nicely ask if you want to change your religion to their religion? What is the big deal about belief and religion?? Some people are so serious about these things life appears oblivious around them. They go around believing that their belief covers up all other beliefs and for what?? I think this is about status more than belief. What do religions like this want?? more people to join.

I say if you believe in something you stick to it, but don't go barging to other people's houses telling them why your belief is so much better. I hate those people... I want to make a sign saying:

"What you believe is your business...if you try and force your belief on me...I'll take you out to the woods and disembowel you with a wooden cooking spoon."

Seriously these people need to learn the word "Respect". These people can only be classified as religous freaks. That's my wrap on things...fun to discuss but very irritating in real life.

I do follow the christian faith

You don't follow it very well... in the Bible, it says "all other teachings are false", which contradicts what you say

They go around believing that their belief covers up all other beliefs and for what??

People go around doing this because they believe the only way to get send to heaven is to believe what they believe, so they're just trying to help.

 

[baron insig]

pisses me of completly wen im subjected to religious bollucks in assembly,

thats my opinion tho, i just dont liek it being thrust down my throat and get detentionif i try and avoid it.

 

[jondy]

People go around doing this because they believe the only way to get send to heaven is to believe what they believe, so they're just trying to help.

That just doesn't wash. I don't give a damn if these people are 'only trying to help', they're basing their viewpoints upon faith and as such have no right to inflict said viewpoints upon other people unless given permission

 

[Lemonking]

why should I? maybe they shouldnt ask to say grace "out of respect" for non-christians

When grace is said I dont bow my head, I dont avert my eyes and I dont say a little prayer ...why should I go thru the motions if I dont believe? That's just being hypocritical. It's the same whenever the discussion comes around to baptism ..I'm not catholic but my parents are ..people ask me if my son will be baptised and I always say the samething: "why should I do something I dont believe in?" ..their response always is: "well you're saving your son's soul" ...and I always respond "I dont see it that way, I dont believe my son was born with sin"

people say things like that to you?
wow I wouldnt like to be in company of those peolpe that say such things

 

[jondy]

people say things like that to you?
wow I wouldnt like to be in company of those peolpe that say such things

Which is pretty much what the thread is about

 

[Neutrino]

I don't go out of my way to convert people to atheism. I do not go door to door and toss down a pamphlet of logical fallacies.

Pamphlets?

Hmm....that's not such a bad idea.... :angel:

 

[qckbeam]

Neutrino?! Where have you been all this time?

 

[Neutrino]

Neutrino?! Where have you been all this time?

What? Who? Where? You never actually saw this post, it was a all a figment of your imagination...carry on....



(On a more serious note, long time no see. How's things? Oh and you guys really need a tinfoil hat smiley.)

 

[Pesmerga]

I think going through with grace is respectful to other people. It's not wise to get all steamed up with something so trivial, you lose the respect of the people you're eating with and you feel bad (YES YOU FEEL BAD GOD DAMMIT, DON'T LIE TO YOURSELF) for being such a loner jerk who has this mindset on being an individual and flaunting your disbelief like some...jehovas witness?

 

[A True Canadian]

..people ask me if my son will be baptised and I always say the samething: "why should I do something I dont believe in?" ..their response always is: "well you're saving your son's soul" ...and I always respond "I dont see it that way, I dont believe my son was born with sin"

That made me smile because that's a great response. It's funny too because you (like me) don't believe in religion, yet you have a more positive attitude than these people. "Well you're saving your son's soul" <-I view that as an insult to you as a parent, and your son as well. I don't want to offend anyone here, but people like that come off as arrogant (and isn't that a sin ). That's one of the reasons why I view religion as a hobby.

 

[Teh_Poet]

That just doesn't wash. I don't give a damn if these people are 'only trying to help', they're basing their viewpoints upon faith and as such have no right to inflict said viewpoints upon other people unless given permission

If you live in the US or any other country with free speech, then they most definately DO have the right to tell them their views.

 

[CptStern]

That made me smile because that's a great response. It's funny too because you (like me) don't believe in religion, yet you have a more positive attitude than these people. "Well you're saving your son's soul" <-I view that as an insult to you as a parent, and your son as well. I don't want to offend anyone here, but people like that come off as arrogant (and isn't that a sin ).

hehe, I completely agree

what I find so strange is that I seem to be more of a moral person than so called "religious people" ...I mean I would accuse a total stranger of condemning my son to hell ...or discriminate against someone because of their sexual preference etc ...it's funny how being "liberal" (for lack of a better word) is the new moral center ...conservatism (religious right) is now the new threat to decency

 

[dream431ca]

hehe, I completely agree

what I find so strange is that I seem to be more of a moral person than so called "religious people" ...I mean I would accuse a total stranger of condemning my son to hell ...or discriminate against someone because of their sexual preference etc ...it's funny how being "liberal" (for lack of a better word) is the new moral center ...conservatism (religious right) is now the new threat to decency

I know that this is off topic but what is the definition of a liberal...I heard that the Canadian and American definitions are different..if you don't mind me asking.

 

[CptStern]

well canadians think of the Liberal Party when we say liberal ...(some) americans think: terrorist sympathizing freedom hating hippies! nah jk, americans see liberals as anyone who isnt conservative although lately it's anyone who disagrees with any policy that comes out of the Oval office