The Turin Shroud...

[thehunter1320]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/04/15/italy.shroud.reut/index.html

very interesting... a long dead issue, but very curious indeed

 

[craig]

It would be nice if this was real. carbon dating aside I have to say I'm still very dubious. The added fact that the general idea of what Jesus looked like probably being very inacurate also casts doubt over the shroud being genuine..

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I doubt that it's real very much. But if it is, jesus looks doofy.

 

[Rupertvdb]

no one ever seems to find it interesting that they managed to create this back then, even if it is fake the someone had to fake it and the carbon dating shows that it is old.

So something made it...wonder who?

 

[craig]

no one ever seems to find it interesting that they managed to create this back then, even if it is fake the someone had to fake it and the carbon dating shows that it is old.

So something made it...wonder who?

carbon dating shows that it's 800 years old... now if it was 1800 years fair do's there would be less debate, but 1200 years kinda puts it in doubt.

 

[Javert]

I still believe the shroud is fake, though very sensationalist.
Even back then, it's very possible to make back and front copies of a face.
And the carbon-dating just seals the deal.

 

[PvtRyan]

Aside from the fact that I think it's false, the text speaks of crucifixion marks in his hands, which is physically impossible because your hands would have been torn apart due to your weight. He had stakes through his wrists, not his hands.
But anyway, even though I'm an atheist, I think he really did exist, but the only reason that we still know him today is because some Roman leaders were his followers and christianty became the official religion of Rome.

 

[Direwolf]

I don't exactly put a lot of stock in it, just because it almost seems cheesy by its very nature.
I will throw in that the thing was supposedly in a fire 800 years ago, leading some to believe thats what the carbon dating is picking up.

 

[[Matt]]

carbon dating shows that it's 800 years old... now if it was 1800 years fair do's there would be less debate, but 1200 years kinda puts it in doubt.

Ive read about these two scientists before in an article in the Express, a british national newspaper. It now looks like the small piece the carbon dating project cut from the cloth to do the carbon dating was from a section that was added later during a repair which would account for the 800 year date on the section they tested but not for the rest of the cloth. The stiching is totally different on the tested section and the colouration is slightly off. These italian scientists want to carbon date a section taken from near the face to see if the carbon dating project was accurate or wether it was a flawed.

 

[Maxi]

I don't belive that it's real. If it is though real then I ask god to smite me, SMITE ME!

 

[ray_MAN]

which is physically impossible because your hands would have been torn apart due to your weight. He had stakes through his wrists, not his hands.

There is a bode where you are crucified that forms an 'O' and it fits perfectly with the stake. It supports the weight and all. Anyway, I think this is false.

 

[el Chi]

If someone could please explain exactly HOW, even if we assume that it is indeed genuine, Jesus' face managed to rub off so perfectly onto a piece of cloth I'd be most grateful.

 

[ray_MAN]

If someone could please explain exactly HOW, even if we assume that it is indeed genuine, Jesus' face managed to rub off so perfectly onto a piece of cloth I'd be most grateful.

He's Jesus... 'Nuff said.

 

[el Chi]

He's Jesus... 'Nuff said.

And Jesus was made of charcoal? Or paint? What?

The two scientists said they studied these photographs and used mathematical and optical techniques to process the images.They found that the face that can be seen on the reverse of the shroud matches that of the front.

And they couldn't do this by looking because...? What? That would be too easy?

 

[Murray_H]

If someone could please explain exactly HOW, even if we assume that it is indeed genuine, Jesus' face managed to rub off so perfectly onto a piece of cloth I'd be most grateful.

lol it does seem a bit odd doesn't it?

 

[Maxi]

If someone could please explain exactly HOW, even if we assume that it is indeed genuine, Jesus' face managed to rub off so perfectly onto a piece of cloth I'd be most grateful.

The answere's simple: Finger Paint

 

[PvtRyan]

If someone could please explain exactly HOW, even if we assume that it is indeed genuine, Jesus' face managed to rub off so perfectly onto a piece of cloth I'd be most grateful.

He was just really, REALLY sweating a lot!

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

If someone could please explain exactly HOW, even if we assume that it is indeed genuine, Jesus' face managed to rub off so perfectly onto a piece of cloth I'd be most grateful.

Haven't you ever slept face down on a pillow in the summer before?

 

[CrazyHarij]

Well.. I don't think this is true.

 

[Letters]

It's ridiculous...

 

[Lil' Timmy]

no one ever seems to find it interesting that they managed to create this back then, even if it is fake the someone had to fake it and the carbon dating shows that it is old.

yeah, but there are all kinds of artifacts/art from that time period and before that are more interesting. if you believe it's a fake, then it's nothing more than a painted blanket that got burnt along the way.. not exactlly the most interesting of medieval artifacts.

it's most likely fake, but i couldn't care much about it even if it were from ~2000 years ago.. still a dirty/painted blanket to me.

 

[Voodoo_Chile]

I saw a programme on it.I have to say its possible true as when Jesus was being crucified he would obviously be sweating alot and bleeding.This made for an excellent breeding ground for bacteria which when he was wraped in this shourd would have been deposited on the shroud.This would have died and stayed there.
There was blood found during the origional Carbon Dating test and the segment was taken from a piece of cloth routinely handled by people during the middle ages as it was taken out possibly putting off the date.

Though I could be an old photograph(and thus a fake) as on the same show a sceptic showed how a bodily shape could have been put onto Linen using methods they had at the time.Also the face on the cloth looks a little off from that of a middle eastern person which is what Jesus would have looked like.
I suppose it boils down to whether you want to believe it our not.

 

[spookymooky]

The story is that when Jesus was carrying his cross to be crucified, a woman named Veronica wiped the blood and sweat off his face with a cloth. In thanks, Jesus put his image on that same cloth.