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Given the attitude a lot of people here have about the US being such hipocrits and evil I thought I would post this.

We're Sorry

"The United States is not the 'Superman' of the world."

OUR CANADIAN FRIEND CHRIS ALEMANY comments in a post below:

"Freedom is a Human Right"

"That's exactly right... but no Human being should be subjected to all out war by foreign country in order to gain that right.

*Some* Americans need to learn that the United States is not and need not be the "Superman" of the world."

Chris has a point -- the United States needs to stop "playing Superman." Furthermore, we should apologize to each of those nations that we have “liberated” by force of arms.

To the good people of Cuba, we humbly apologize. We helped you fight for your “independence” from Spain in 1898, but considering how badly things have gone since then, we should have left well enough alone. The same goes for the Philippines, which remained a U.S. possession for 40 years after “liberation.”

At various times in the past century, we’ve attempted to “intervene” in several Latin American and Caribbean countries, including Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, the Dominican Republic, Grenada, and Haiti. In retrospect, this was a bad idea. Please accept our apologies.

Twice in the past hundred years, the United States sent troops to Western Europe to fight for “freedom.” To the people of France, Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, and Austria, we offer our most heartfelt apologies for interfering in your affairs. Please rest assured that it won’t happen again.

To the peoples of Polynesia, Micronesia, Indonesia, Indochina, the Philippines (again), China, and Korea, for whom America spent so much blood and treasure to free from the “oppression” of the Japanese Empire, we’re sorry. We’re sure that you could have handled the matter much better without our “assistance.”

After subjecting their citizens to all-out war, the United States forced Germany, Japan, and Italy to “democratize.” We apologize for being so presumptuous. In retrospect, we should have trusted you to come up with your own form of government -- we’re certain you would have been much better off in the long run, left to your own devices.

We apologize to the people of South Korea for “defending” you from your brothers to the north. This was clearly an internal matter for Koreans to decide, and we had no business meddling in your affairs.

Similarly, we apologize for “interfering” with the socialist revolution in Vietnam. It is indeed fortunate that we ultimately failed in establishing a viable democratic state in the South – as any one of the 1.5 million Vietnamese now living in America will eagerly attest.

We apologize to the people of Eastern Europe for working for 45 years to undermine the Warsaw Pact. In retrospect, you were probably better off under Soviet domination. Please forgive us.

To the good people of Kuwait, whom we forcibly separated from Saddam Hussein’s Iraq: please accept our apologies – it was all a horrible misunderstanding.

To all the Bosnians, Croatians, Albanians, and Kosovars that we “rescued” from so-called Serbian “ethnic cleansing,” we are truly sorry.

We apologize to all the people in Afghanistan for putting an end to the Taliban regime. We now understand that you preferred to use your soccer stadiums for public executions, rather than, well, soccer.

Finally, we apologize to the people of Iraq for deposing and imprisoning Saddam Hussein. Clearly, you were better off with a good “disciplinarian” running your country – we’ll just set him free, pack up our stuff, and go home.

That is what you want, right?

P.S. If you need any help in the future, please call Canada
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Here is the source, you have to scroll down to Jan 24th to get to the blog entry.
 
I'm sorry.... ;(

Wait...what am I sorry for again?
 
...you forgot to to say sorry to the millions of innocents you killed... :upstare:
 
How about you also apologize for installing some of the world's dictators and doing business with them? Or how about you apologize for your blunders of intervention during the Cold War?

But maybe we should just get down to the point. Maybe you should stop pretending that whatever "noble" deeds you've done in the past absolve you of your current ****-ups.

BTW GJ on turning it into an attack on Canada. It's quite pathetic.
 
Recoil said:
...you forgot to to say sorry to the millions of innocents you killed... :upstare:
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the millions were mostly killed by the evil tyrants and militia themselves, they wouldnt have dies if those terrorists wasnt doing what they were doing in the first place :(
 
KoreBolteR

How many people do you think got killed just in mass carpet bombings? Think of all the wars the US was involved in. The collateral damage probably reaches the millions...
 
I wonder what europed would say if the United States declared that it was officialy becoming an isolationist country. We(the US) would then withdraw all foreign aid programs. That money would be spent here at home, where it was made.

Hell, that sounds like a good idea. If we pay clarky enough, he might be able to come up with an energy shield that would cover the entire US in a bubble.


Eventually, we might be able to move the entire use population to mars; after it's terraformed of course.


You see, the world would turn into a utopia because the US wouldn't be here anymore.



This started out as a sarcastic post, but I've changed my mind. Hopefully we will be able to accomplish this within the next 2 centuries. And yes, we will still be around then.
 
sorry wont bring back the dead

sorry, but "sorry" isnt good enough
 
Recoil

this could just be your opinion on this.
have you got any reliable sources to back yourself up .. :rolleyes: lol


CptStern said:
sorry wont bring back the dead

sorry, but "sorry" isnt good enough
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But most of the dead, were dead, because of the actions of the terrorists, using them as shields etc etc.

i dont think we will ever hear them "civilian killing" people say sorry, they just dont let thier people be free. they have to cause a fuss and make the iraqi peoples life a misery. and more iraqi people Fear the terrorists, not the Coalition.

just look at the elections coming up, every one is too scared to vote.. :(
 
Bodacious said:
Given the attitude a lot of people here have about the US being such hipocrits and evil I thought I would post this.
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Oh geez... how many time must this be said?

The last time I checked those troops the U.S. sent into Europe in WWII were sent to fight for it's own freedom. Germany HAD just declared war on the United States you know. If the U.S. were the white knights riding to the rescue why did it take years to pull out the swords and get in the saddle? The war didn't start in December of 1941 you know.

Also, I seem to have a vague recollection of the U.S. not getting involved in WWI either until forced to do so to protect their own shipping... WWI did not begin in April of 1917.

Spare us all the self-righteous "Oh, we rode to the rescue of Europe" crap would you? In both cases the United States was perfectly content to sit back and watch Europe go up in flames until it started catching it in the teeth itself. The U.S. wasn't there to fight for the freedom of any European nations or it would have entered both wars a hell of a lot earlier, it was there out of it's own self-interest.
 
...and btw, Deathtrap, I didn't say anything against the US itself, it was just an dumb-ironic reply to a dumb-ironic thread...
 
sorry wont bring back the dead

sorry, but "sorry" isnt good enough
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So, what is? More beheading videos? Sure! I'm off to go find some now ... here, while im away, you can sing murmurs of the Quran, and imagine everyone in the United States being beheaded and disemboweled while the whole world celebrates via Ewoks and Tree villages ...

... then China invades India, Iran, and Iraq ...

The war didn't start in December of 1941 you know.
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The United States did'nt get involved "officially" because it did'nt want to pull a, "Well, Great Britain, France your my friend -- but so's Germany" via World War I.

The United States, wanted to analyze the war first, before putting a cost on they're citizens.

Spare us all the self-righteous "Oh, we rode to the rescue of Europe" crap would you? In both cases the United States was perfectly content to sit back and watch Europe go up in flames until it started catching it in the teeth itself. The U.S. wasn't there to fight for the freedom of any European nations or it would have entered both wars a hell of a lot earlier, it was there out of it's own self-interest.
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Its not that you'd be speaking German, its that eventually, you'd all be speaking Russian.
 
The United States did'nt get involved "officially" because it did'nt want to pull a, "Well, Great Britain, France your my friend -- but so's Germany" via World War I.

The United States, wanted to analyze the war first, before putting a cost on they're citizens.
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Uh-huh, I'm sure that's the main explanation.

Its not that you'd be speaking German, its that eventually, you'd all be speaking Russian.
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Russia was getting it's ass handed to it by the Germans. The only thing that had prevented the Germans from overrunning the entire Russian military by the time the U.S. entered the war was the Russian winter which the Germans did not initially properly logistically prepare for (which is the major factor that stalled their first offensive, not any military resistance the Russians had been able to put up) and the sheer size of the territory they had to occupy.

By the time the U.S entered the war Stalin was practically BEGGING Churchill and Roosevelt to open a western european front to draw German troops away from him before they stomped him into the dirt.
 
Russia was getting it's ass handed to it by the Germans. The only thing that had prevented the Germans from overrunning the entire Russian military by the time the U.S. entered the war was the Russian winter which the Germans did not initially properly logistically prepare for (which is the major factor that stalled their first offensive, not any military resistance the Russians had been able to put up) and the sheer size of the territory they had to occupy.
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Yea, and then, without America, the tide turned, and Germany was bled dry up to 15 million reported missing, wounded or killed in action.

By the time the U.S entered the war Stalin was practically BEGGING Churchill and Roosevelt to open a western european front to draw German troops away from him before they stomped him into the dirt.
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No, not even practically. He suggested it, to take some struggle off of some future battles that might allow his armor to break through -- but with Hitler's idiotic lack of initiative, and his commanders bleak and often blinding fanaticsm, the Germans failed to gain any ground as of 1943. The Soviets drove the Germans back to the Berlin, and suffocated them.

The attack in through Poland, Belorussa, is the attack that bled the Germans dry.

Uh-huh, I'm sure that's the main explanation.
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You too, eh? Well, its not just us -- its a whole historical foundation. :D Glad to know your with us.
 
Death.Trap said:
This started out as a sarcastic post, but I've changed my mind. Hopefully we will be able to accomplish this within the next 2 centuries. And yes, we will still be around then.
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Wow, you plan on living 200 years? Good luck with that!
 
mortiz said:
Yes, and in 1972 they thought we'd all be flying around in space ships by now and living on the moon.
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I'm curious, did you read the article?


And remember that he's saying within 100 years, not 20. And his "7 deadly sins of aging" are all legitamite. Like the article says, we just have to figure out how to fix those 7 things.
 
No, I didn't read it, but even if he does say a "cure for aging" is a 100 years a way, that's still probably too late for you and me.
 
mortiz said:
No, I didn't read it, but even if he does say a "cure for aging" is a 100 years a way, that's still probably too late for you and me.
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Perhaps, but people in my family live pretty long. We can always hope, yes?
 
K e r b e r o s said:
Yea, and then, without America, the tide turned, and Germany was bled dry up to 15 million reported missing, wounded or killed in action.
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First: Excuse me? I've never seen any reliable estimate of total German military casualties (killed and wounded) for the ENTIRE war that were over 10 million.

Second: Was someone suggesting a large influx of fresh troops and equipment didn't turn the tide?

EDIt: Wait... I just noticed you said without America... so either you're neing sarcastic or you're relying on some kind of bizarre alternate history.

No, not even practically. He suggested it, to take some struggle off of some future battles that might allow his armor to break through --
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He "suggested it" (at least 7 times that I know of, at times "suggesting" that the USSR was going to be crippled or defeated without a second front being opened), because without that second front he was dog meat. He was barely managing to hold off the Germans and he was taking millions of casualties doing it. Not a situation that lends itself to being maintained for very long.
 
We apologize to the people of Eastern Europe for working for 45 years to undermine the Warsaw Pact. In retrospect, you were probably better off under Soviet domination. Please forgive us.
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OK, I`ll take this one factual error.

It`s an impudence to claim that the USA have caused the end of the Warsaw Pact (or even the fall of the Soviet Union? :laugh: ).






Bodacious said:
I like how people persecute me for posting this.

I will admit I made one mistake. I didn't copy the entire thing and left the source link out.

Here it is, you have to scroll down to Jan 24th to get to the blog entry
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Superman is Sorry
 
KoreBolteR said:
Recoil

this could just be your opinion on this.
have you got any reliable sources to back yourself up .. :rolleyes: lol
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He does have a point, you could look up the bombing of dresden in WW2, a city which was famous for fine china and had absolutely ZERO miltary signifigance, thats just one. Uhh how about a little conflict called vietnam, With free fire zones if you were in there you were "charlie" they often times would have whole villages in them guess what happened to the villages, burnt to the ground in "zippo raids" With all the carpet bombing we did of THAT place we had to kill a rather large number of innocents. Do you need a source to prove that or what? ":rolleyes: lol"
 
Recoil said:
...you forgot to to say sorry to the millions of innocents you killed... :upstare:
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coming from a German...i seem to remember a couple wars :upstare:
 
Death.Trap said:
I wonder what europed would say if the United States declared that it was officialy becoming an isolationist country. We(the US) would then withdraw all foreign aid programs. That money would be spent here at home, where it was made.
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Actually ....no

Alot of the multinational banks in America have loads of loans going out to third world countries that they (the 3rd world countries) will never be able to pay off thanks to the amount of interest on them.

If the US were cut all ties, this would mean a large portion of the money that goes into their economy would be lost forever (good news for 3rd world countries) and it would really really hurt the US economy. REALLY hurt it. Not to mention all the trade from and out of the US. That would really screw up their economy bigtime (which is already pretty messed up thanks to the Bush Administration).

So what little money is left to spend on their country, could end up being alot less then what they're spending on it now
 
Sparta said:
Actually ....no

Alot of the multinational banks in America have loads of loans going out to third world countries that they (the 3rd world countries) will never be able to pay off thanks to the amount of interest on them.

If the US were cut all ties, this would mean a large portion of the money that goes into their economy would be lost forever (good news for 3rd world countries) and it would really really hurt the US economy. REALLY hurt it. Not to mention all the trade from and out of the US. That would really screw up their economy bigtime (which is already pretty messed up thanks to the Bush Administration).

So what little money is left to spend on their country, could end up being alot less then what they're spending on it now
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When I say foreign aid, I'm talking the US government spending tax money overseas. And no, I wouldnt cut off trade with other countries.
 
Operation Ivy said:
coming from a German...i seem to remember a couple wars :upstare:
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WW1 was hardly as much the germans fault as it is claimed in texts and by the average people. It was more Austria's fault and the germans got into because they were allies, it ended up that germany ended up being the major "foe" (and they were more aggresive).

But well WW2 I can't even think of something to defend that war. all I can say is thanks to Clemenceau(Not sure on the name) the french diplomat at the peace treaty after WW1 wanted to make the germans really pay for well.. wiping the floor with their asses.. and gave the german people VERY unfair terms. But hardly a reason for such a war.
 
Bodacious said:
Given the attitude a lot of people here have about the US being such hipocrits and evil I thought I would post this. [snip]
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Of course, the actions listed there were either responses to valid threats to the US. (As in not Iraq.)
Or threats to the US's allies. (Not Iraq.)
Or successful. (Not Iraq.)

It also fails to address any context behind the original metaphor. Was the poster criticising all US policy from the last 200 years or, more likely, only new-millenial actions, such as... Iraq?
In former's case, none of those examples are relevant.

Or was he saying that the "superman" approach has worked, but is becoming increasingly outdated?
That would mean the examples are outdated as well.

Or was he saying that the US should simply be more judicious with it's application of superman-salvation foreign policy?

Or that the US does good, but should be aware that it isn't invincible?

Etc.

Gotta hate those canadians though, and thier vaguely critical sentence that is easy to refute because it makes no concrete claims.

But really, the entire article is a rebuttal to an argument no-one has made, including "Chris" himself. If someone had said "the US, in 200 years, has never ever had a successful interaction with another nation," then this would have been a brilliant comeuppance.
Until someone says as much though, this is a fairly blah post.

How about you actually address the specific reasons why we say the war in Iraq and similar policies under this administration are bad ideas, instead of posting a patriotic rant directed towards a vague metaphor written by someone we've never heard of?

Fact is, the US's good track record in the past is why most of us are opposed to the sudden bout of screw-ups and odd choices currently undertaken by the current administration.
That list only re-enforces my point:
With all the good that's happened, why this Iraq war all of a sudden?

And to my knowledge, no-one on this forum has accused the US of being "evil," (a term as vague as "superman").
So the post is a rebuttal to a non-existant argument twice.
 
Death.Trap said:
When I say foreign aid, I'm talking the US government spending tax money overseas. And no, I wouldnt cut off trade with other countries.
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Ahhhh right. I should read the whole thing properly next time instead of just skimming, oh well.
 
Kommie said:
But well WW2 I can't even think of something to defend that war. all I can say is thanks to Clemenceau(Not sure on the name) the french diplomat at the peace treaty after WW1 wanted to make the germans really pay for well.. wiping the floor with their asses.. and gave the german people VERY unfair terms. But hardly a reason for such a war.
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But the peace treaty is the reason for Hitlers dictatorship. After WWI Germany had nothing...no pride, no patriotism, no money...and the money that they earned they had to send to France to pay for WWI.
Then Hitler appeared and gave germans all those things. He didn´t accept the peace treaty, he gave germans their pride back..he was a kind of ´messiah´to the german population and could establish an evil dictatorship cause nobody dared to say anything against him...

After this dictatorship was established everything was prepared for his ´kampf´/war. Nobody could do anything against his power, if you dared to say anything critic then you would be arrested by his own police (SS/SA=Nazis=guilty) and maybe died in the ´death camps´. If you tried to kill him (Stauffenberg) then you and your whole family would be killed...

Once such a brutal dictorship is established it is nearly impossible to do anything against it.
 
Stauffenbergs entire family wasn't killed, check up your info, Stauffenbergs eldest son, Berthold became general in West Germany's new army, the Bundeswehr, after the war(Obviously), I've even seen interviews on Discovery with Stauffenbergs son(s)..
 
Gargantou said:
Stauffenbergs entire family wasn't killed, check up your info, Stauffenbergs eldest son, Berthold became general in West Germany's new army, the Bundeswehr, after the war(Obviously), I've even seen interviews on Discovery with Stauffenbergs son(s)..
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You are right, Stauffenbergs entire family wasn´t killed...some were excecuted and some went to ´KZ´. I just wanted to explain that if you dared to to something against Hitler then not just you were in danger but your family/friends as well. The Nazis established a system of suppresion and mistrust, so you couldn´t do anything without risking your life...
 
Fine, I'll accept your sorries but I hope that not all... the way I see it, its a drop of water in the ocean... where is your sorry for Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Where is your sorry for reasing the dust in middle east and causing the suicide attacks to get to Europe? Where is your sorry for exploiting Europe during WWI and WWII by cashing in on selling weaponds to both side? Where is your sorry for killing innocent Iraquis just to get Sadam? Where is your sorry for supporting Afgan militia with weapons they later used against peaceful people? No sorries will make up for crap you did... and maybe no thank you's will make up for good you did too... so what is your point exactly? Do we have to start to mention our sarcastic sorries so supporting your country when it was no more powerful then a little baby is? This is the BS that pisses me off about the US of A... they are like that annoying neighbor that always reminds you of that little thing he did once but when he needs something then you have to do it no matter what.
 
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