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Why the United States are the biggest terrorists of the world

I've read a lot of this stuff on the supposed "war on terrorism"
but this movie sums it all up. Wow... everything is true supposedly because a lot of the news sites are real. I even remember about hearing a lot of it on the news and in the paper.

Really scary stuff, scroll down to the bottom and play the 2nd video there, its about 2 hours long so get some popcorn.

http://propagandamatrix.com/multimedia_priorknowledge_911roadtotyranny.html

It talks about 9/11, the laws coming into effect for high-tech police state, the war with iraq and business in the middle east, FEMA goverment agencies, newest government powers, gross abuse of civil liberties, next terrorist attack is nuclear but our own government, on and on and on.
 
aeroripper said:
I've read a lot of this stuff on the supposed "war on terrorism"
but this movie sums it all up. Wow... everything is true supposedly because a lot of the news sites are real. I even remember about hearing a lot of it on the news and in the paper.

Really scary stuff, scroll down to the bottom and play the 2nd video there, its about 2 hours long so get some popcorn.

http://propagandamatrix.com/multimedia_priorknowledge_911roadtotyranny.html

tell me what you guys think.
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Propaganda.com Now that's gotta be an objective factual bit with everything in context :rolling: :thumbs: :laugh:

You were saying something a little while ago about being tired of the scare tactics... You must not be as tired as you think.
 
Well yea they may be trying to scare people and i thought the guy who was doing it was trying to be that way.

But i do think a lot of things he is right about. You should watch it then comment on it to get a full view of what i mean.

But i fail to see why it can be considered propaganda when all of it is factual AND DOCUMENTED. I don't see how its outside of our government to do this when its all documented to be true.

Rather than real propaganda like

"Spreading democracy to Iraq (*cough, a democracy is against islam and people would have to deny their whole religion)

"They have weapons of mass destruction" I fail to see how the greatest intelligence agency in the world could make this mistake. So we give them mor money?

Everything that is listed in there is a lot truer than anything that has come out of the Bush Administration lately.
 
aeroripper said:
Well yea they may be trying to scare people and i thought the guy who was doing it was trying to be that way.

But i do think a lot of things he is right about. You should watch it then comment on it to get a full view of what i mean.
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You should get your world news & information from sources like AP or Reuters... Or by going out and seeing for yourself.

BTW - If you didn't know it. The major news networks generally buy their stories from AP, Reuters, and a few other news orgs. Rarely do they do their own investigative reporting. If you catch the orginal AP story, you'll see the same exact story show up on the networks... If you look at the mostly minor changes they make (Cuts of parts of the story or emphasis on parts of the story) You'll see their bent. By the time their talking heads get done with it the facts of what happened can get lost.

But if you feel good about learning from those source you could check out http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/ for the 'real' story... :E
 
I don't know what news to believe anymore :(

I like london's UK newspaper guardian

also been reading on this one too
http://www.ramadhan.org/

kind of interesting to get a different perspective on it.

Or by going out and seeing for yourself.
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Well i don't exactly have the liberty of having a personal jet to fly all around the world getting news stories. Even if i did, nobody would think i was a "good source" for news because i'm biased one way or another.

I don't think its better to get your info from a variety of sources around the world, rather than just US sources.

*puts on flame suit* :flame:
 
After not even bothering to watch the movie, my conclusion is this: ZZZZZZZZZZzzzZZZZZZZZz ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzZZZZZZZz ZZZZZZZZzzz ZZZZZZZZZ zzzzzzzzz ZZZZZZZZZzz
 
Yea i thought that name was kind of funny too :( I mean i thought they should really put it on a better looking site.

Who knows i think they blow some things out of proportion, but some if it holds water. You guys should at least give it a chance before your already out to disprove me on everything.
 
aeroripper said:
I don't know what news to believe anymore :(

I don't think its better to get your info from a variety of sources around the world, rather than just US sources.

*puts on flame suit* :flame:
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You don't think it's better to get your news from a variety of sources?!?

I'm going to assume you typed that wrong and tell you that AP and Reuters are about as objective and International as you can get...

Check them out when you are bored.
 
man, the least you guys could do is watch the film before ripping him to shreads. But you would do the same with anything that doesn't tell you what you want to hear. So unless it came from "christian science monitor" its of no use to you guys right.... hypocrits.
 
hahaha such an attempt to throw this back at the conservatives. How did I know that would happen? Heck, ShadowFox isnt even a conservative if I remember correctly.
 
Innervision961 said:
man, the least you guys could do is watch the film before ripping him to shreads. But you would do the same with anything that doesn't tell you what you want to hear. So unless it came from "christian science monitor" its of no use to you guys right.... hypocrits.
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Christian Science Monitor is about as propaganda free as propganda.com

I'd watch the video but am pretty sure you couldn't give me the mintues of my life that would be wasted back.
 
I dunno I just thought it was interesting nonetheless. Maybe it has kind of a "pessimistic spin" to it. But hey i say that a lot of news agencies have spins on news so it will be more appealing to their viewers.

I mean hey, there are lots of ads on news channels now...

I also want to point out that this video really wasn't really about "conservatives" vs "liberals" ... whatever all that terminology is supposed to mean. Personally i think people have to broad of opinions on a subject to be classfied under a "liberal" or "conservitive"..

i think its a bit silly :imu:
 
aeroripper said:
I dunno I just thought it was interesting nonetheless. Maybe it has kind of a "pessimistic spin" to it. But hey i say that a lot of news agencies have spins on news so it will be more appealing to their viewers.

I mean hey, there are lots of ads on news channels now...
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Well sure... Independence Day was interesting but I'm pretty sure the white house hasn't really been destroyed.
 
Well sure... Independence Day was interesting but I'm pretty sure the white house hasn't really been destroyed.
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Well i don't think that's a fair comparision because the laws and events happenining now are more realistic than aliens coming in giant UFOs and destroying everything. At least IMO.
 
Aliens are real... I'm sure of it.

There are billions of galaxies out in the nite sky with billions of stars in each one of them. If only one in a billion stars contained a planet that could support life, and if only one in a billion of those actually had life, there'd be millions and millions of planets with life on them.

What are the odds that there isn't life out there?
 
Aliens are real... I'm sure of it.

There are billions of galaxies with billions of stars in each galaxy. If only one in a billion stars contained life there'd be millions and millions of planets with life on them.

What are the odds that there isn't life out there?
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We're getting off the topic here, and yes i agree there is other life but poses less of a threat to us right now than the things currently at hand and that is what we should be talking about.

Can someone just watch the movie or at least parts of it for a while so you can see both sides without instantly condemning the site because it has propaganda in the title.
 
aeroripper said:
We're getting off the topic here, and yes i agree there is other life but poses less of a threat to us right now than the things currently at hand and that is what we should be talking about.

Can someone just watch the movie or at least parts of it for a while so you can see both sides without instantly condemning the site because it has propaganda in the title.
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The propoganda sucking crowd will be back around 7AM cst.
 
Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist loon who does not deal with anything resembling fact. Please disregard him and his shitty "documentaries" such as '911: The Road to Tyranny.' The man is nearly schizophrenic. Look, I'm no fan of Bush's policies after 911, but Alex Jones spews even more nonsense than the administration he's criticizing.
 
Sgt_Shellback said:
The propoganda sucking crowd will be back around 7AM cst.
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hah! we're not the ones paying for a purposeless war! :thumbs:
 
Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist loon who does not deal with anything resembling fact. Please disregard him and his "documentaries."
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How can you even say that when he presented all the facts right there? Have you even given it a chance to watch it?

Their news stories from a lot of respectable news companies (CNN, CBS, MSNBC, Guardian UK, etc)

True he may go a little overboard on the whole doom and gloom stuff but there are some good points that you can't say their "made up" or "fantasy".

He does not deal with anything resembling fact? Well then lets take the pentagon example on 9/11. Why there wern't any airplane wreckage from a 757 like the government TOLD us. There are videos of something hitting the pentagon but it wasn't a 747. Read through the engineers diagrams that were drawn up when they went there to determine the damage, and realize that a 747 would have done a lot more damage. Why was there nicely punched out circles through the rings of the pentagon? A 757 wouldn't do that. Why are there witness accounts of people hearing, and seeing a jet?

Evidence (which is now classified) from the flight control rooms on the way the aircraft was moving was that of a military plane, not a jumbo jet. There are a lot of good points.

Now go ahead and point me in a "documentary" that you consider absoultely factual, non-biased, 100% correct of what's going on, and no room for speculation whatsoever.

No really, i would like to see one that is like that. And can explain about all these homeland laws being passed that are strangely reminiscent of what happened in germany in WWII. I doubt you could watch the whole thing and say everything is a blantant lie and has absolutely no bases whatsoever. So unless you watch the whole thing, and have a somewhat open mind about the possibilities of it, then its just not fair to call him a "loon" right off the bat.

The things i'm supposed to believe are fact? Is something REALLY 100% factual? What news can i watch?

I watch CNN, msnbc, (not fox news), and the local papers and new laws being passed here in nebraska. Give me examples why you say
"Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist loon who does not deal with anything resembling fact."

That's not a very good argument without disproving points he's actually given.

(I'm not meaning to yell at you or anything just something to debate about)
 
The Pentagon theory has been disproved. Old news kido. There are pictures of wreckage and the damage fits that which a 757 would make. Go look up the sites that prove this before believing everything Mr. Conspiracy throws your way.
 
The Pentagon theory has been disproved. Old news kido. There are pictures of wreckage and the damage fits that which a 757 would make. Go look up the sites that prove this before believing everything Mr. Conspiracy throws your way.
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Give me a source and i'll believe you. I HAVE looked up sites but i don't see any really convincing facts that it was a 757 that hit.

No i don't believe everything "Mr. Conspiracy" throws my way. I've read about this sorta stuff for quite a while now. I didn't know about him till today and i've been saying this same stuff.

I got my a** torn out on a previous thread because i couldn't provide any sources for my facts. So here i have one and nobody wants to watch it.
 
Well it still doesn't explain why there was no reports of the jet on the interstate near it and how it could be flying so low that fast. Unless it was on remote control because people said it was flown like a miliary plane and that would be a LOT of Gs for a pilot to handle.

I guess we'll never know for sure. They pulled out the big aircraft debrees from the pentagon before the structural team could even get there.

http://www.pubs.asce.org/ceonline/ceonline03/0203feat.html

I dunno, all things added up it still doesn't make a lot of sense that it was a 757

There are a lot of other questions to be asked to like the laws regarding pretty much anybody can be claimed a enemy combatant and put in containment indefinitely. That's insane
 
seinfeldrules said:
After not even bothering to watch the movie, my conclusion is this: ZZZZZZZZZZzzzZZZZZZZZz ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzZZZZZZZz ZZZZZZZZzzz ZZZZZZZZZ zzzzzzzzz ZZZZZZZZZzz
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Of course it is, you plan to vote Bush, why would you want to hear the truth about anything, those ridiculous facts get in the way of short term gain and long term destruction! But long term don't matter because dubbya can blame whichever democrat gets loaded with the presidency once the problems kick in.
 
I was not agreeing with the video but i do agree with the overwhelming evidence that the Bush administration is filled with money grabbing, law twisting, corrupt liars that have been in power since Nixon. It is a brute cabinet that see no harm in warping or ignoring fact to achieve their own ends.

The tax cuts are what startles me the most at the moment. Bush is willing to sacrifice your long term future and your kids financial security just so he can get his go at presidency.

But ignoring my latest bit of incredible stupidity from the White House the incumbent administration is a joke and harmful to the America and the World. Bush thinks history shall judge him right, I think history shall judge him as a black mark on the title of President.
 
It's funny most of you are ripping apart the movie without actually watching it :|
 
Rupertvdb said:
I was not agreeing with the video but i do agree with the overwhelming evidence that the Bush administration is filled with money grabbing, law twisting, corrupt liars that have been in power since Nixon.
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Who in the Bush Adminstration has been in office since Nixon?
 
^Ben said:
It's funny most of you are ripping apart the movie without actually watching it :|
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Ripping apart the source.... Did you watch the RNC? Or are you just ripping the GOP apart without watching?

Edit: Whoops. I had intended to edit this into my post above but hit the reply button. There must be no delete post option, or I just can't find it...?
 
you cant denie that Bush and Kerry are Skull and Bones men, they got that right,

they even asked bush in a news conference, he replied 'yes I am a member, but im not aloud to talk about it'.

read about the skull and bones club, it's real, most politician's in power are member's... I mean... wtf?
 
Sgt_Shellback said:
Ripping apart the source.... Did you watch the RNC? Or are you just ripping the GOP apart without watching?

Edit: Whoops. I had intended to edit this into my post above but hit the reply button. There must be no delete post option, or I just can't find it...?
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I watched the RNC, and laughed my ass off i might add. Bush had so many grand ideas he wanted to implement, it was almost as if he hadn't been president the last four years. Do you actually think the RNC wouldn't have told you what they wanted you to hear either? Come on, FFS, the conventions are all about sugar coating the candidate to make him appealing to joe public. Of course they aren't going to be objective.

I thought you were smarter than that shellback. Guess I give you to much credit. :rolleyes:
BTW, I just got off work "tie dying shirts" as you like to say, and just in case you missed it last time, i made ya one, have a look see.
 
heehee, nice t-shirt design, would fit him to a "T" :E
 
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