Actual chemical weapons found in Iraq!!!

[Lil' Timmy]

so you dont take a lesser aged persons view point as seriously?

yes, just less seriously, generally. of course this general guideline can be easily over-written by my evaluation of the soundness of the reasoning behind the actual viewpoints people represent.. ahem.

 

[waedoe]

W/E my brain is dead from sitting at this comp all day and doing nothing but aruing and making MY MP-5

 

[PvtRyan]

If 36 mortars which are too old too be of any good use and will probably explode in your face if you'd launch them mean it's a chemical weapon then my chlorine kitchen sink cleaner is a f*cking WMD.
Really mature of the US to point to Iraq like that, would be kinda like Enron pointing a finger at a minimum wage guy falsifying his tax papers because it's fraud.

 

[clarky003]

Originally Posted by Innervision961

I'm just waiting for him to attempt to change the term limits so he doesn't have to be voted out if he wins this election I can see the headlines now.

Terror threat level: high, today President Bush signed into law the patriotic pre emptive presidentail homeland love security act allowing himself to stay in office until the end of the war on terror.

origionally posted by ghOst

you = stupid. that kind of stuff isnt even funny, because its just stupid, and inflamatory, and some asshole is going to believe it.

you= brainwashed, and obviously you arnt familiar with the fact that conversations develop from the suggested topic.

as for the 'my dick understands all of this' comment. does that imply thats what your thinking with? you guys seem to think this is all so simple when truely it is really not, and your comprehension only seems to go so far. 'as far as your dick can think' around half a foot

 

[Korgoth]

Damn I missed all the good stuff. Ok where to start. First off, thanks for taking up for me while I was gone clarky, and to you ghost, call me stupid call me whatever you want, I wasn't aware that sarcasm = ignorance around here. My comment about his changing the term limit was a joke, I thought it was pretty clear, but let me spell it out for you again j-o-k-e. I was wasn't aware that calling some one stupid, calling them a bitch, and then making comments about your penis being smarter than them were valid view points. Clearly I was in the wrong here, so allow me to back down and hand the torch over to the more "mature" group here.

 

[crabcakes66]

One thing we agree on. I really do see this happening.
I don't see it as being the US's fault...we did nothing to cause the first 9/11, but I do see it happening.

Thats a pretty asanine and ignorant attitude.....


we have done ALOT of things to make people hate us that much. :|

 

[thehunter1320]

TO....MUCH....READING!!!!!!

*thehunter1320 dies from reading exhaustion

 

[gh0st]

Thats a pretty asanine and ignorant attitude.....


we have done ALOT of things to make people hate us that much.

who exactly have we gotten to hate us "that much". no one other than extreme muslim groups designed for terrorist attacks are going to be attacking us. oh dear, weve made THEM hate us more? that makes me feel TERRIBLE.

whether or not we've pissed off poor france or poor russia or germany really doesnt bother me at all.

heres another thing. waedoe and i are presenting arguments timmy, nor any liberal is responding too and im wondering why so ill repost them.

and no, i dont care if you dont read it.

i point you to bosnia, a massive failure by the UN, whose inane triumverate have made virtually no progress. france and germany im not sure have nearly as much experiance as we do - since we virtually rebuild both of them, and japan, and afghanistan (who is improving notably esp over the past couple years).

ahh so it would have been right to attack him THEN but not now... that totally erases genocide. gosh times a good thing. and frankly, no u.s leader has ever supported the use of chemical weapons at least publically... i still wonder why you attribute past actions to now. this is a different man in charge, and in many ways a different country. the fact is, it was politically best for the united states to contribute weapons to iraq then. as i said before we arent friends with EVERYONE forever. also, why attribute these actions to bush? i think that the word "hated" (hatRED), should be replaced by ignorance. the thing is, this like your brother shooting someone and me hating you because of it. its totally ignorant, stupid, and wrong. much of the "hated" towards the united states is the result of moronic propoganda shoved down the citizens of these poorly run middle eastern nations. the oppressed dont WANT to be oppressed.

as for hypocrisy, i see none here. you think that were attacking him for past atrocities is horribly wrong. the reasons for the iraq war is because our administration had ample evidence that iraq had weapons of mass distruction, and now that we've found one theres no hypocrisy to be found.

the fact is, it is known, even by people who "wish it werent so" that iraq has, and has been MAKING its own chemical program, whether we give them the technology or not is irrelevent. just because the united states give them the tech does that mean that they are all of a sudden disbound to use them morally?

im still not sure how we were lied to by our president. you seem to be forgetting that we've already found chemical weapons that saddam may have developed (whether he did or didnt develop these particular ones is of no concern).

i just dont understand the liberal mindset that if we give someone something that they can use it however they want without ramifications from the world community.

 

[[Matt]]

woohoo... a topic i started has stretched to 8 pages!

 

[hero]

finally

i was begining to think that we went into iraq for nothing :rolling:

 

[waedoe]

woohoo... a topic i started has stretched to 8 pages!

acctually 20+ :|

 

[Letters]

acctually 20+ :|

Not if you're smart and have it set to display 40 posts per page like we do!

 

[waedoe]

Not if you're smart and have it set to display 40 posts per page like we do!

how do i do tat?

 

[hero]

hoq do u do that^^

 

[Korgoth]

i just dont understand the liberal mindset that if we give someone something that they can use it however they want without ramifications from the world community.

No they can't use it however they want with out ramifications, ok example: If you give a convicted murderer who isn't allowed to own a gun, a gun, and he goes and and shoots someone doesn't that make you responsible? An accesory (sp?) to murder. Ok what we did was give a known murder an illegal gun, guess what he did, he killed people. Now in this same scenario, you would be arrested as well right? Well what would happen if you took the law into your own hands and went after this murderer, and people got killed while you were doing this? You should be arrested for that as well, you broke the law.

im still not sure how we were lied to by our president. you seem to be forgetting that we've already found chemical weapons that saddam may have developed (whether he did or didnt develop these particular ones is of no concern).

Well, lied to is how i feel, but according to this administration, they only exagerated. Go dig up some old news stories about the state of the union speech, and the un speeches leading up to the war. No Bush wasn't the only one in the administration to exagerate (lie?) but he had a hand in it. I never said he didn't have the weapons, I agree that he did, Saddam claims to had destroyed the weapons, and so far it looks like he has.

as for hypocrisy, i see none here. you think that were attacking him for past atrocities is horribly wrong. the reasons for the iraq war is because our administration had ample evidence that iraq had weapons of mass distruction, and now that we've found one theres no hypocrisy to be found.

Did you read the article, do you know exactly what they found? They didn't find what they told us they would find. Nuclear weapons, weapons facilities, mobile weapons labs, missiles that could reach the US and put us in immenent danger. Where is all of that? Do you think the American people would have went to war, had bush told us we were going because of saddams past atrocities? I huighly, highly doubt it.

 

[[Matt]]

lol! :E Use the user CP link at the top! its in there!

 

[Letters]

Go to your User CP, then 'Edit Options'.

(ed. In other words, what Matt said.)

 

[hero]

awwweeesssommeee

let me contribute to this thread

funk terrorists

 

[gh0st]

No they can't use it however they want with out ramifications, ok example: If you give a convicted murderer who isn't allowed to own a gun, a gun, and he goes and and shoots someone doesn't that make you responsible? An accesory (sp?) to murder. Ok what we did was give a known murder an illegal gun, guess what he did, he killed people. Now in this same scenario, you would be arrested as well right? Well what would happen if you took the law into your own hands and went after this murderer, and people got killed while you were doing this? You should be arrested for that as well, you broke the law.

ok but how does that make PRESIDENT BUSH responsible for anything? why dont you go lynch regan or something, but you seem to have something against my country, not the leader. well this leader is righting past mistakes, and i applaud him for it.

Well, lied to is how i feel, but according to this administration, they only exagerated. Go dig up some old news stories about the state of the union speech, and the un speeches leading up to the war. No Bush wasn't the only one in the administration to exagerate (lie?) but he had a hand in it. I never said he didn't have the weapons, I agree that he did, Saddam claims to had destroyed the weapons, and so far it looks like he has.

oh dear, one of those darn politicians EXADDERATING again. they've never done that before. he must have had both the CIA and FBI entirely under his thumb, while simultaneously controlling england and our allies, while exadderating so DARN much! he must not be as dumb as people think! by the way, i dont think "burying in the desert" qualifies as destroying anything. unfortunately the UN attempted to underhand us at every possible moment, virtually abandoning us when we (didnt) need them. its funny how we contribute virtually everything to that organization but we get no returns.. it sucks actually. finally a president who will stand up to that pathetic organization.

Did you read the article, do you know exactly what they found? They didn't find what they told us they would find. Nuclear weapons, weapons facilities, mobile weapons labs, missiles that could reach the US and put us in immenent danger. Where is all of that? Do you think the American people would have went to war, had bush told us we were going because of saddams past atrocities? I huighly, highly doubt it.

Like i said earlier, would you like to have a mortor full of blister agents shoved up your ass? no you wouldent. mortars make more effective weapons of terror because you do not need to launch them, you just need to detonate them. a missile can be shot down, a mortar needs to be found. he wasent looking for just nuclear weapons i dont know where the hell you got that from, hes been looking for weapons of mass destrcution, which means nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, and biological agents. he founds chemical weapons, and blister agents are related to mustard gas, and lewisite and are deadly, so dont brush it off.

missiles that could reach the US

not true. israel, or any nato allies is what he specified, which they did find 200km missile launch systems. i think its called the al-samoud missile or something.

 

[waedoe]

not true. israel, or any nato allies is what he specified, which they did find 200km missile launch systems. i think its called the al-samoud missile or something.

and wasnt it a alsamoud missle that we found and were lauched at us?

 

[fizzlephox]

ok but how does that make PRESIDENT BUSH responsible for anything? why dont you go lynch regan or something, but you seem to have something against my country, not the leader. well this leader is righting past mistakes, and i applaud him for it.

No, he's making new mistakes.

oh dear, one of those darn politicians EXADDERATING again. they've never done that before. he must have had both the CIA and FBI entirely under his thumb, while simultaneously controlling england and our allies, while exadderating so DARN much! he must not be as dumb as people think! by the way, i dont think "burying in the desert" qualifies as destroying anything. unfortunately the UN attempted to underhand us at every possible moment, virtually abandoning us when we (didnt) need them. its funny how we contribute virtually everything to that organization but we get no returns.. it sucks actually. finally a president who will stand up to that pathetic organization.

No, one of those politicians is outright lying to his country. Stating evidence he knew was false "Buying Nuclear Material from Nigerian". I don't think out right lying about a country buying nuclear material in simply exagerating.

Hey Ghost please tell me all your knowledge about the U.N. Things that you know to be true and how they affect American Foreign Policy and Military Action, and why it's bad and sucks.

Like i said earlier, would you like to have a mortor full of blister agents shoved up your ass? no you wouldent. mortars make more effective weapons of terror because you do not need to launch them, you just need to detonate them. a missile can be shot down, a mortar needs to be found. he wasent looking for just nuclear weapons i dont know where the hell you got that from, hes been looking for weapons of mass destrcution, which means nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, and biological agents. he founds chemical weapons, and blister agents are related to mustard gas, and lewisite and are deadly, so dont brush it off.

Like someone else said those are old and were most likely given to him by the U.S.Do you think that Iraq is the only country that can make some mustard gas. So far they haven't found any amount that could even vaguely cause anything near "Mass Destruction". North Korea on the other hand has more advanced missile systems and they're making nukes, with the fact that they're extremely poor, there's no one stopping them from selling the nukes that they make.

 

[waedoe]

No, he's making new mistakes.

What mistakes has he made, plz explain yourself.

No, one of those politicians is outright lying to his country. Stating evidence he knew was false "Buying Nuclear Material from Nigerian". I don't think out right lying about a country buying nuclear material in simply exagerating.

First, you probably quoted, bush wrong on that, and you got it from a bias source. Also, do you have information to tell me that he is lying? NE ways clinton lied to, and you know thats scary because he didnt rly care. As far as i have seen, there is no proof to show that bush has lied.

Hey Ghost please tell me all your knowledge about the U.N. Things that you know to be true and how they affect American Foreign Policy and Military Action, and why it's bad and sucks.

Ill tell you why the U.N. sucks, its cause they sit on thier ass's and do a rly shitty job when thier forced to do something. I.E. what ghost said about bosnia.

Like someone else said those are old and were most likely given to him by the U.S. Do you think that Iraq is the only country that can make some mustard gas. So far they haven't found any amount that could even vaguely cause anything near "Mass Destruction". North Korea on the other hand has more advanced missile systems and they're making nukes, with the fact that they're extremely poor, there's no one stopping them from selling the nukes that they make.

And bush is dealing with that situation, have you not seen the diplomatic strides bush is trying to make with N.K. i dont see the U.N. stopping them either.

 

[gh0st]

haha how about you tell me the new mistakes he's making? like i said, there hasent been another terrorist attack for 2+ years. thats a pretty solid track record, and im all for results.

Like someone else said those are old and were most likely given to him by the U.S.Do you think that Iraq is the only country that can make some mustard gas. So far they haven't found any amount that could even vaguely cause anything near "Mass Destruction". North Korea on the other hand has more advanced missile systems and they're making nukes, with the fact that they're extremely poor, there's no one stopping them from selling the nukes that they make.

the US wasent the only nation to give chemical weapons to Iraq, russia gave them rather large quanitities of anthrax, so you dont know SHIT whether its us, or them, or whether they made it, or not.

heres a scenario for you. a terrorist detonates 20+ of those in a large building/stadium/cookie factory whatever. the fact is, the american people are extremely paranoid and if even a few people report symptoms of a vesicant agent, well there is going to be extreme pandemonium, so yes this IS a weapon of mass destruction.

edit: old chemicals are often more dangerous than new ones, they are difficult to predict.

No, one of those politicians is outright lying to his country. Stating evidence he knew was false "Buying Nuclear Material from Nigerian". I don't think out right lying about a country buying nuclear material in simply exagerating.

except he wasent lying. he was acting off intelligence that britain, and the cia gave him. unfortunately he is legally bound to action off of that information, thats sort of his job. if you should blame anyone its them.

also i already posted why the UN sucks, so go ahead and go backa couple pages and read that.

 

[Korgoth]

ok but how does that make PRESIDENT BUSH responsible for anything? why dont you go lynch regan or something, but you seem to have something against my country, not the leader. well this leader is righting past mistakes, and i applaud him for it.

Your country? I live here to buddy. I have nothing against OUR country, America is a great place. President Bush, well I don't really have nothing against the man himself, its his entire administration and his policies that disgust me. You seem to love this "leader" more than this country, patriotism is understandable, idol worship is not

oh dear, one of those darn politicians EXADDERATING again. they've never done that before. he must have had both the CIA and FBI entirely under his thumb, while simultaneously controlling england and our allies, while exadderating so DARN much! he must not be as dumb as people think! by the way, i dont think "burying in the desert" qualifies as destroying anything. unfortunately the UN attempted to underhand us at every possible moment, virtually abandoning us when we (didnt) need them. its funny how we contribute virtually everything to that organization but we get no returns.. it sucks actually. finally a president who will stand up to that pathetic organization.

What does exadderating mean? I didn't say Bush was dumb either, read back quite a few pages and you will see me say that I think is brilliant. It went something like "he is a genius, play the role of a dumb ignorant cowboy, use fear and terror to your advantage, and you can pretty much do whatever you want."...

Like i said earlier, would you like to have a mortor full of blister agents shoved up your ass? no you wouldent. mortars make more effective weapons of terror because you do not need to launch them, you just need to detonate them. a missile can be shot down, a mortar needs to be found. he wasent looking for just nuclear weapons i dont know where the hell you got that from, hes been looking for weapons of mass destrcution, which means nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, and biological agents. he founds chemical weapons, and blister agents are related to mustard gas, and lewisite and are deadly, so dont brush it off

You want to know where I got nuclear weapons from?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/28/sotu.transcript/
heres a little quote"

"Today, the gravest danger in the war on terror, the gravest danger facing America and the world, is outlaw regimes that seek and possess nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. "

"The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed in the 1990s that Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program, had a design for a nuclear weapon and was working on five different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb. "

oh and

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. "
(which was later even admitted as an exaggeration (lie) )

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/americas/2315081.stm

Above is a very interesting read as well, it seem saddam isn't the only one to test weapons on his people, how much do you trust your government now? Even thought that above article has nothing to do with bush it does pretain to this government and how secretive they can be.. So think twice before believing everything your spoon fed by donald rumsfeld ok.

EDIT: ( and God knows i better put a disclaimer here, I'm not likening the US to saddam, saddam is an evil murderer, so please don't even go there, this article is for information purpouses only thanks)

 

[gh0st]

You want to know where I got nuclear weapons from?

"Today, the gravest danger in the war on terror, the gravest danger facing America and the world, is outlaw regimes that seek and possess nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. "

you wanna see something funny? watch...

is outlaw regimes that seek and possess nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.

he FOUND chemical weapons. good god!


"The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed in the 1990s that Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program, had a design for a nuclear weapon and was working on five different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb. "

I didnt know IAEA was an american institution... what does that have to do with anything?

even if he hasent found NUCLEAR weapons yet im sure he will, iraq is a big place.

 

[gh0st]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/americas/2315081.stm

Above is a very interesting read as well, it seem saddam isn't the only one to test weapons on his people, how much do you trust your government now? Even thought that above article has nothing to do with bush it does pretain to this government and how secretive they can be.. So think twice before believing everything your spoon fed by donald rumsfeld ok.

hmm lets trust what the bbc says about bush. yeah they are really supportive of him. 1) i do trust my government and 2) your right, this does have nothing to do with the conversation.

 

[crabcakes66]

who exactly have we gotten to hate us "that much". no one other than extreme muslim groups designed for terrorist attacks are going to be attacking us. oh dear, weve made THEM hate us more? that makes me feel TERRIBLE.

whether or not we've pissed off poor france or poor russia or germany really doesnt bother me at all.

when you grow and up, and realise this country is not as perfect as you would like to beleive...let me know.

You seem pretty intelligent, but also very close minded.

 

[gh0st]

when you grow and up, and realise this country is not as perfect as you would like to beleive...let me know.

You seem pretty intelligent, but also very close minded.

. when i "grow up" hopefully ill learn that close minded idiots wont automatically dismiss my opinion because im younger than they are.

and what does this countries perfection have to do with terrorist activities, or those who hate us? oh right not a damn thing.

 

[Korgoth]

Oh my God, you can't be reasoned with can you ghost? You ignored pretty much everything I just said. your thick, go back, re read what i said and make a relavent come back argument please.

 

[Maxi]

Um they just pulled out their search teams... they now have left one team who would dispose of WMD...

 

[Korgoth]

hmm lets trust what the bbc says about bush. yeah they are really supportive of him. 1) i do trust my government and 2) your right, this does have nothing to do with the conversation.

Oh and you didn't even read the damn article did you? Because it had nothing to do with bush, so you could trust it, even it is the bbc. Hahahaha, read the article before you defend your idol, he wasn't even mentioned in the whole thing!!

 

[crabcakes66]

. when i "grow up" hopefully ill learn that close minded idiots wont automatically dismiss my opinion because im younger than they are.

and what does this countries perfection have to do with terrorist activities, or those who hate us? oh right not a damn thing.

lol.

Its hard not to dismiss things that are only looked at from one side.


But your to busy trying to convince yourself that your always right to look at what other people are saying.

I know your type.

 

[gh0st]

no i didnt read it for reason number 2. and no i dont particularly trust the bbc, and hes not my idol. i just support him politically.

i think your definition of "reasoned" with is me submitting that the war in iraq is a bad thing - i believe its not. and again you didnt respond to my response.

the thing is your so damn obsessed with finding nuclear bombs everywhere, but he already fulfilled his promise, even in a small way, of finding chemical weapons. it also means that they may not have "destroyed" all of it.

 

[Korgoth]

Ugh, i quoted and responded to everything you said. I even brought factual evidence from various news sources. I think I supported my opinions pretty well. And I'm not obsessed with finding nuclear bombs. I don't care if they find them or not. Truth is, we were "exaggerated" too. Now innoncent people on both sides of the fence have lost their lives. The American tax payers are footing the bill, and the good thing I can say is that Saddam isn't in power anymore. But the poor Iraqi people are dealing with terrorism every day now. They have stiff curfews, and go out knowing they could be shot for walking the wrong way, or driving down the wrong street. Sure it won't be that way for ever, but for crying out loud, we shouldn't have went to war if there was even a shadow of a doubt about the intellegence that Bush was given.

 

[gh0st]

Ugh, i quoted and responded to everything you said. I even brought factual evidence from various news sources. I think I supported my opinions pretty well. And I'm not obsessed with finding nuclear bombs. I don't care if they find them or not. Truth is, we were "exaggerated" too. Now innoncent people on both sides of the fence have lost their lives. The American tax payers are footing the bill, and the good thing I can say is that Saddam isn't in power anymore. But the poor Iraqi people are dealing with terrorism every day now. They have stiff curfews, and go out knowing they could be shot for walking the wrong way, or driving down the wrong street. Sure it won't be that way for ever, but for crying out loud, we shouldn't have went to war if there was even a shadow of a doubt about the intellegence that Bush was given.

still though, their lives will be better in the long run... i dont think anyones contesting that. i guess the real answer to the argument will be how will iraq look in 10-20 years. can we PLEASE close this thread.

 

[waedoe]

Ugh, i quoted and responded to everything you said. I even brought factual evidence from various news sources. I think I supported my opinions pretty well. And I'm not obsessed with finding nuclear bombs. I don't care if they find them or not. Truth is, we were "exaggerated" too. Now innoncent people on both sides of the fence have lost their lives. The American tax payers are footing the bill, and the good thing I can say is that Saddam isn't in power anymore. But the poor Iraqi people are dealing with terrorism every day now. They have stiff curfews, and go out knowing they could be shot for walking the wrong way, or driving down the wrong street. Sure it won't be that way for ever, but for crying out loud, we shouldn't have went to war if there was even a shadow of a doubt about the intellegence that Bush was given.

there was a shadow of doubt in 9/11 with the intellegence and thats why nothing stopped them. bush is taking the nessisary precautions to protect our asses from another 9/11

 

[fizzlephox]

Whoever the hell you are ghost, you're defenitely an angy little man who also has a 50% chance of being overweight since you live in the U.S. Anyways everything you say is an uninformed and angry comment based on biased sources with vague details and questionable logic.

 

[Korgoth]

Waedoe the questionable 9/11 intellegence wasn't reported! Meaning they knew terrorists were going to hijack plaines and did nothing. How does that make your support for bush look any better? I think your confused there. Again, iraq and al qaeda are two different beasts all together, why does everyone try to clump them together? Shouldn't we be using this military man power to track down osama? And why do you want to close this thread ghost? There is no flaming here. You don't have to participate if you don't want to...

 

[gh0st]

Whoever the hell you are ghost, you're defenitely an angy little man who also has a 50% chance of being overweight since you live in the U.S. Anyways everything you say is an uninformed and angry comment based on biased sources with vague details and questionable logic.

im not sure what the overweight shit is all about but it seems that your a little bit conscientious about something - fatass.

ANYWAYS point out where my uninformed and angry posts are? now im uninformed and angry because my opinion differs from yours? my comments are based upon MY OPINION i dont use many sources, and if i do, there is a .edu or .gov or a CNN in it.

its interesting that only the opposition to my view claims im stupid... waedoe or valkyrie havent.

 

[Korgoth]

Yeah that wasn't a very polite comment. Anywas gotta go do some work, be back later.