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Carroll Glacier, 1906:
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Carroll Glacier, 2004:
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Glacier Bay National Park, 1941:
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Glacier Bay National Park, 2004:
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welcome to the Global Warming :x
 
Dude everybody knows it's happening, it's just that the people who are in power and their supporters choose to ignore it cause they are morons :)
 
Grey Fox said:
Dude everybody knows it's happening, it's just that the people who are in power and their supporters choose to ignore it cause they are morons :)
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no because they would loose money
 
ALEXDJ said:
no because they would loose money
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Well they could gain money also...who knows maybe thats their plan or something.
 
There's supposed to be a hotter climate, we're moving away from an ice age! The earth's tilt is increasing, the earth's orbit moves closer to the sun, these changes are only to be expected, but maybe not so quick...
 
The_Monkey said:
There's supposed to be a hotter climate, we're moving away from an ice age! The earth's tilt is increasing, the earth's orbit moves closer to the sun, these changes are only to be expected, but maybe not so quick...
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and green house affect doesn't have to do anything with it
 
ALEXDJ said:
and green house affect doesn't have to do anything with it
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It might, but my point is that if the temperature was decreasing, then we should be worried, since we're moving out of an ice age, not into one. The earth has experienced much hotter times than these.
 
The rise in marine temperatures — by an average of 0.5C (0.9F) in 40 years — can be explained only if greenhouse gas emissions are responsible, research has shown. The results are so compelling that they should end controversy about the causes of climate change, one of the scientists who led the study said yesterday.

Copyright 2005 Times Newspapers Ltd.
 
interesting, but calm down with the thread making! you should just make an "alexdj's incredible thread of off-topicness" instead of this:

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not really, considering all the threads there but one were made within the past 20 days, and mine were made over the past 6-7 months :)
 
Ennui said:
not really, considering all the threads there but one were made within the past 20 days, and mine were made over the past 6-7 months :)
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give yourself a cookie

what can i say, i have a boring job
and i love this forum :bounce:
 
ALEXDJ said:
give yourself a cookie

what can i say, i have a boring job
and i love this forum :bounce:
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it's all good, just couldn't pass up the opportunity :)

the glacier thing is insane, though.
 
Ennui said:
it's all good, just couldn't pass up the opportunity :)
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cool, probobly no suprise, but i got IP banned from steampowered.com forums
but that didn't stop me, well acutally i don't go there anymore, too many kids
 
Wasnt there a comprehensive report the other week, worked on by 1300 experts(i hope) pretty much concluding that they cant account naturally for the climate change we are seeing, i.e that we the industrialised/destructive are causing it.

Nothing gonna change unless the USA gets a president sympathetic to the theories of a majority of scientists. Or dear i say it, calamity hits the USA with crop faliure, water shortages, super ****ed weather etc.
 
Who cares about the environment? Frankly until there is water lapping at my doorstep, I'm not going to care. Oh no! The water is rising an inch every 5 years! In about 1000 years there will be like 4 feet less land. Big deal.
(ps: as long as everybody is having fun with pictures)

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gh0st said:
Who cares about the environment? Frankly until there is water lapping at my doorstep, I'm not going to care. Oh no! The water is rising an inch every 5 years! In about 1000 years there will be like 4 feet less land. Big deal.
(ps: as long as everybody is having fun with pictures)

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Best
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If I posted the World Trade Center being crashed upon by two planes, you people would flame me to death.
 
The so called Hockey Stick data which is the curve that seems to show an alarming spike in temperature and was used in support of the Kyoto protocol was shown to be flawed by McIntyre. The mathematical model they used showed increasing temperatures no matter what numbers you punched in. I posted a report with the numbers recently, but it got buried in the threads here and I cant find it now. here is an article about it from the Wall Street Journal, reposted on another site.


http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandlers/index.cfm?id=5108&method=full
 
Sad. Glaciers of that size are going to be history.

At the rate that we're going, we might not ever see them again.

We have the resources to begin changing or developing new forms of fuel. But what do we do? We manufacture more and more SUV's that guzzle gas and oil while spewing out enough toxins to kill people. And another thing that amazes me, these yahoos who buy these huge SUVs/trucks and then complain about high gas prices. You DICKHEAD! Don't buy a ******' SUV YA DOPE!!! Maybe, just maybe if these self-conscience pricks would buy a normal sized car, we wouldn't be in so deep. Help the ******' cause you inhuman jerkoffs.

****in humanity.
 
Sprafa said:
If I posted the World Trade Center being crashed upon by two planes, you people would flame me to death.
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Yes. Because that happened. If Paris had been hit by a nuclear device, everyone would flame someone for posting that too.

I've read many reports that state the change in temperatures matches past readings and trends for the Earth as it goes through its cycles. I think we should all do a little part to help the environment but it's a personal choice.
 
gh0st: complete jerk.

I agree SUV's are completely unnecessary.

Someone needs to come up with a good model for public transport.
 
LoL, at least we agree on something :cheers:
seinfield: totally agree, and the tram!!

Atm in Auckland theres this big transport issue, apparently the cities that most successfully solved their issues were one that tolled roads, to subsidise the likes of rail.

Anyone live in a city with this: does it work?
 
MjM said:
I agree SUV's are completely unnecessary.

Someone needs to come up with a good model for public transport.
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I think a huge public transportation system is out of the question. There needs to be a moratorium on SUV production until a more environmentally safe fuel systems is developed. First and foremost, it'd save consumers money. It'd also save the manufacturers money as well:

1. Smaller cars = less parts and resources - for the business end
2. Smaller cars = cheaper cars - for the penny pinchers out there. Plus, I think we could all use a nice, affordable car. Maybe take some heat off that bank account?
3. Smaller cars = better for road conditions = saves money for the states. We all know how much they hate to spend money right? Problem solved. Oh, and I just hate potholes and cracks.
4. Smaller cars w/ cleaner and more improved fuel system = Better for the environment and lowers our dependancy on natural resources. Im sure this would make the Bush family happy huh? :laugh:

Well, sometimes I just amaze myself. ^^^Thats my story and Im sticking to it. :thumbs:
 
MjM said:
Anyone live in a city with this: does it work?
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Nope and the stupid washington voters always strike it down.
 
Atm in Auckland theres this big transport issue, apparently the cities that most successfully solved their issues were one that tolled roads, to subsidise the likes of rail.
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The problem with rail in Australia is that they built heavy gauge rail that is designed to carry heavy trade goods and used that for carrying people too. While carrying freight can absorb the cost of running heavy duty carriages, carrying people cannot.

So what they should have done - or should do - is develop a light rail system just for people. This costs money. A lot of money. So people are content to patch the same system. At one point, maybe 15 years ago - the rail system in NSW lost 6 million per day. Its probably a lot more than that now.

Tollways have been introduced in Sydney - with some success. The best roadways you can go on are the tolls. I also lived in hong Kong and tollways were everywhere there too - which meant that there were good roads.

The USA has good freeways mostly without tolls ( I know there are some, NJ Turnpike and so on) but it had a lot more money when it built them, than Australia does.

In Sydney in Australia, the roads are old and small, and are jammed with godawful traffic. People said to me that when I went to the USA I would know what traffic meant. Wrong - I knew what it meant in Sydney during peakhours. The thing about bad traffic in the USA is its transitory - that even when there are a lot of cars, the traffic can move on the freeways. In Australia, nearly all of the major highways have traffic ligths on them, so you move 100 yards and then stop. And each group of cars can move about 10 cars through each set of lights. And on Parramatta road which is the main road into the city of Sydney, there are 100s of traffic lights. With bumper to bumper traffic at every one. Its just silly.

The Roads and Traffic Authority though, cannot often upgrade highways because it cannot afford the cost of resuming the land. That is property prices in Sydney are so ridiculous, that to resume a highway sized parcel of land on the north shore would cost billions. Thats billions the government does not have.

So what to do? The first thing to do is to extend the current rail network to places it does not reach. And transfer it from heavy gauge rail to light rail. More tollways I don't mind, but the voters freak out about it. So there is a limit.

But Sydney will never make it to a premier international city, unless it fixes its transport problem.
 
I totally agree on the lightrail, in Auckland its not all that extensive the coverage, with big gaps of suburbia quite far from rail. So i guess they would have to purchase allot of land, but they have been doing so for nearly a decade now to build motorways ...

Subway is probably too expensive for Auckland atm, especially when the other district councils cant agree on how much they should each contribute to projects!

Actually the latest thing is a 5%/litre fuel tax, to pay for nearly 2bn worth of roading upgrade in the next few years, ~half going to Auckland if i am correct.
 
satch919 said:
I think a huge public transportation system is out of the question. There needs to be a moratorium on SUV production until a more environmentally safe fuel systems is developed. First and foremost, it'd save consumers money. It'd also save the manufacturers money as well:

1. Smaller cars = less parts and resources - for the business end
2. Smaller cars = cheaper cars - for the penny pinchers out there. Plus, I think we could all use a nice, affordable car. Maybe take some heat off that bank account?
3. Smaller cars = better for road conditions = saves money for the states. We all know how much they hate to spend money right? Problem solved. Oh, and I just hate potholes and cracks.
4. Smaller cars w/ cleaner and more improved fuel system = Better for the environment and lowers our dependancy on natural resources. Im sure this would make the Bush family happy huh? :laugh:

Well, sometimes I just amaze myself. ^^^Thats my story and Im sticking to it. :thumbs:
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Small cars already exist.


Cars really cant be a solution to this problem. Ultimately you would want to discourage as much car travel as possible for both environmental and congestion issues. But you cant do this without screwing the country unless you have a reliable, fast and cheap public transport system.

If not rail then buses.
 
MjM said:
Small cars already exist.


Cars really cant be a solution to this problem. Ultimately you would want to discourage as much car travel as possible for both environmental and congestion issues. But you cant do this without screwing the country unless you have a reliable, fast and cheap public transport system.

If not rail then buses.
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Yes, small cars exist but what kind of fuel do they use? Also, what are consumers purchasing these days? Larger trucks and SUVs. Have you seen those Hummers on the highways/streets? Those things are massive and they guzzle gas.

If we had smaller cars with a new system of fuel, it would be tons better. Perhaps electricity, hydrogen, or another cheap and effective fuel system.

Also, Americans are independent people. I don't think they would like to be forced to use a rail system or bus. I like the freedom of going anywhere I want. Im sure there's people out there who agree. We need cooperation on 3 fronts:
1. Car manufacturers
2. Gas/Oil companies
3. The American people

If we force the issue and really strive for a common goal, it could happen. :)
 
satch919, love your aviator, did you know the artist got in sort of trouble for that, heard it on the radio
 
burn fossil fuels! cut down the rain forest! buy mercedes benzes!
 
Oil companies have alot of money invested in <shock> OIL!

You will not get any kind of cooperation from them, so your plan is flawed. Also, what about those who need trucks and SUVs. Also while your at it, the Garbage Trucks get 3 MPG, think of the fuel that could be saved if they went electric...
 
satch919 said:
Sad. Glaciers of that size are going to be history.
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really? is it sad that glaciers that were much bigger.......... like during the ice age melted and are no longer around?

how did the ice age ever end without our evil influence over the climate?


the earth is warming now, and it will cool in the future. it's happened before, and it will happen again. no big deal.
 
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