Bush / Kerry debate

[seinfeldrules]

No, you would be pissed off at the soldiers who were comitting these acts. But judging from your integrity I wonder which kind of soldier you would be...

I am disgusted by you. I am never responding to one of your posts again as you are too immature to garner a response. You have no idea what I stand for.

 

[scatr99]

Taken from actual veterans.

Yes, but are you saying that all Vietnam Veterans were that nice? Give me a break. There were those who followed orders, and those who disobeyed orders.

 

[hasan]

Contrary to Kerry's claim, our consistent policy was to take every precaution to avoid harming civilians. On many occasions we did this at the cost of suffering additional casualties ourselves.

what would you expect them to say? ofcourse they will deny, but open up your eyes. that stupid war killed 2 million innocent people.

 

[scatr99]

I am disgusted by you. I am never responding to one of your posts again as you are too immature to garner a response. You have no idea what I stand for.

Damn, I lost your friendship. At least it's a little less BS I need to hear from a close minded conservative.

 

[seinfeldrules]

You really need to grow up scat, stuff like that isnt kidding around. I take crap like that pretty damn seriously. You are better off leaving the debating alone, it isnt much fun when all you can do is attack my supposed character instead of the issues.

 

[VodkA-HLC-]

It's funny watching all of you argue Bush, no Kerry, NO BUSH, NO KERRY, what all of you need to get through your thick skulls is that both KERRY and BUSH are worthless, both bring nothing to the table than anyone else can bring. What we don't need is anything else, we need someone that can make a difference and neither KERRY nor BUSH can do that, so stop fighting over who is better when they both suck. Non of the above gets my vote this year..........

 

[ShadowFox]

You really need to grow up scat, stuff like that isnt kidding around. I take crap like that pretty damn seriously. You are better off leaving the debating alone, it isnt much fun when all you can do is attack my supposed character instead of the issues.

Funny.. that sounds like the main complaint against the major parties.

 

[ShadowFox]

It's funny watching all of you argue Bush, no Kerry, NO BUSH, NO KERRY, what all of you need to get through your thick skulls is that both KERRY and BUSH are worthless, both bring nothing to the table than anyone else can bring. What we don't need is anything else, we need someone that can make a difference and neither KERRY nor BUSH can do that, so stop fighting over who is better when they both suck. Non of the above gets my vote this year..........

That is your opinion, and nothing makes it better than anybody else's.

 

[scatr99]

You really need to grow up scat, stuff like that isnt kidding around. I take crap like that pretty damn seriously. You are better off leaving the debating alone, it isnt much fun when all you can do is attack my supposed character instead of the issues.

I would assume you weren't talking to me if you hadn't included my name in your post. I only attacked your character after you posted something in contradiction to a previous post. I'm sorry I offended you but my intentions were to express my frustration in what you did. My apologies.

 

[Neutrino]

It's funny watching all of you argue Bush, no Kerry, NO BUSH, NO KERRY, what all of you need to get through your thick skulls is that both KERRY and BUSH are worthless, both bring nothing to the table than anyone else can bring. What we don't need is anything else, we need someone that can make a difference and neither KERRY nor BUSH can do that, so stop fighting over who is better when they both suck. Non of the above gets my vote this year..........

If your not going to vote, then don't tell us what to think please. Atleast people who vote are trying to make a difference and exercise their right as a citizen of this country.

 

[scatr99]

It's funny watching all of you argue Bush, no Kerry, NO BUSH, NO KERRY, what all of you need to get through your thick skulls is that both KERRY and BUSH are worthless, both bring nothing to the table than anyone else can bring. What we don't need is anything else, we need someone that can make a difference and neither KERRY nor BUSH can do that, so stop fighting over who is better when they both suck. Non of the above gets my vote this year..........

Let me guess. You are one of those guys that votes Nader.
:sniper: :dork:

 

[VodkA-HLC-]

Someone once said the lesser of 2 evils is still evil and I can say what I want to neutrino, I think its silly trying to stand up for 2 people who are totally worthless. I am exercising my freedom to not vote because I don't want either of the two idiots representing this country. And why would I vote for nader, I said non of the above gets my vote...... We all know who is going to win, it's not that difficult to figure out...... Your freedom has given you 2 completely worthless candidates and you have no choice but to pick sides between bad or more bad as bush would say. What I am saying is that we should have a lot more people to choose from that could stand for what America is all about and lead this country and world in the direction it should be lead......All of you need to open your mind, just cause you have to evils to choose from shouldn't mean that we should have to settle for these two....

 

[hasan]

Let me guess. You are one of those guys that votes Nader.
:sniper: :dork:

what's wrong with voting nader?

don't tell me a vote to nader is a vote to bush, cuz that statment assumes that kerry is better than bush, or that kerry SHOULD win, no, kerry shouldn't win, he doesn't deserve to, niether does bush, they are two sides of one coin.

 

[The Mullinator]

Someone once said the lesser of 2 evils is still evil and I can say what I want to neutrino, I think its silly trying to stand up for 2 people who are totally worthless. I am exercising my freedom to not vote because I don't want either of the two idiots representing this country. And why would I vote for nader, I said non of the above gets my vote...... We all know who is going to win, it's not that difficult to figure out...... Your freedom has given you 2 completely worthless candidates and you have no choice but to pick sides between bad or more bad as bush would say. What I am saying is that we should have a lot more people to choose from that could stand for what America is all about and lead this country and world in the direction it should be lead......All of you need to open your mind, just cause you have to evils to choose from shouldn't mean that we should have to settle for these two....

Believe it or not then one of these two evils will be chosen for you no matter what you do.

So yes you do have to settle for one of them, you just don't have a choice in the matter anymore.

 

[VodkA-HLC-]

Exactly my point, meaing that I never had a choice to begin with because no matter who I voted for would be the evil choice, see our predicament we are in............Isn't there anyone else here who doesn't want to see either of these two represent America?

 

[Neutrino]

Believe it or not then one of these two evils will be chosen for you no matter what you do.

So yes you do have to settle for one of them, you just don't have a choice in the matter anymore.

Exactly. While you sit there and not do anything, the rest of us will vote one of these people into the white house. One of them will be president. That's your choice if you don't want to vote, but I see no logic in it. In my opinion, you might as well make your voice count for something.

And I never said you can't have your own opinion. I only asked you not to tell us all what to do when your not even going to vote. That's my opinion.

 

[VodkA-HLC-]

haha do you not remember how bush won 4 years ago????????????????? Maybe you are not reading what I am writing. I DON'T WANT EITHER OF THESE TWO IDIOTS REPRESENTING ME, YOU , AND THE REST OF AMERICA, I DON'T CARE WHO YOU VOTE FOR OR WHO WINS BECAUSE WHO EVER DOES WIN ISNT FIT FOR THE JOB. What I am saying is that we should actually HAVE a choice. Bush and Kerry isn't a choice, it is more or less a decision.

 

[Neutrino]

What I am saying is that we should actually HAVE a choice. Bush and Kerry isn't a choice, it is more or less a decision.

Even if you see it that way, that's the way it is. No one can change that so I think one might as well make a decision based on the options available to us.

 

[blahblahblah]

Peeps, listen up! My brain is fried and I'm allergic to reading 157 posts in this thread. Can somebody summarize the presidential debate for me (and the state of this thread while we're at it). I'll give a cookie to whoever does it and isn't terribly biased.

 

[DarkStar]

Peeps, listen up! My brain is fried and I'm allergic to reading 157 posts in this thread. Can somebody summarize the presidential debate for me (and the state of this thread while we're at it). I'll give a cookie to whoever does it and isn't terribly biased.

I think Kerry "won" the debate pretty handily. Most of the pundits and public seem to agree.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6123733/

 

[Narcolepsy]

Peeps, listen up! My brain is fried and I'm allergic to reading 157 posts in this thread. Can somebody summarize the presidential debate for me (and the state of this thread while we're at it). I'll give a cookie to whoever does it and isn't terribly biased.

Kerry's main task was to prove that he was decisive and not a flip-flopper. He did that, which kind of foiled Bush, because his plan was to go on and on about how Kerry was a flip-flopper.

They didn't say anything they hadn't said before - the main interesting thing was their demeanors. Kerry just seemed more like a president, with better formulated responses and a better stage presence. Bush stumbled a bit more - we all know he's not good with words.

In the end, Bush didn't make a complete fool out of himself, as he had some good points, but he ended up sounding like a broken record. He became notably flustered as time passed. Kerry, on the other hand, did a better job of consolidating his position.

That's why most will tell you he won - even republicans, for the most part, agree.

 

[Neutrino]

Peeps, listen up! My brain is fried and I'm allergic to reading 157 posts in this thread. Can somebody summarize the presidential debate for me (and the state of this thread while we're at it). I'll give a cookie to whoever does it and isn't terribly biased.

Well, I can try.

While really trying to be unbiased I would have to say that niether candidate made any huge mistakes and niether one brought any real surprises to the table. Much of the things covered have been covered before by both men. However, I honestly think Kerry made more coherent points and overall came off looking stronger than Bush. Currently most online polls support this opinion, but of course those are not exactly that reliable. That's about as unbiased as I can get.

If I was to be a bit more biased, then I would say Kerry did quite a bit better. But that could be mostly because I agree with his points more. Regardless of issues and just based on appearences I'd say Kerry was quite a bit more articulate and composed. Bush had a lot of pauses and other stumbles, which made him seem unsure of himself in my eyes. Bush also had atleast one somewhat large mistake in that he defended his position on pre-emptive strikes (Iraq) by saying "our enemies attacked us". Kerry of course called him on that and said Iraq were never the ones to attack us. Bush replied by saying he knew Bin Laden was the one who attacked us, but the way he said it did not come out very well for him.

Hope that helps some. Of course you might want to hear a summary from one of the Bush supporters to get both sides of it.

 

[blahblahblah]

Thanks for the summaries.

/me gives posioned jackass shaped cookies to Darkstar, Narcolespy, and Neutrino

 

[Neutrino]

Thanks for the summaries.

/me gives posioned jackass shaped cookies to Darkstar, Narcolespy, and Neutrino

Thanks, that's *munch* quite *munch* nice *hack* of *urk* you...
...*thump*

You realize you're now going to be haunted by a liberal ghost for the rest of your life don't you? How scary is that? :E

 

[blahblahblah]

You realize you're now going to be haunted by a liberal ghost for the rest of your life don't you? How scary is that? :E

Oh noes!!!

Wait, how is that different from now?

 

[Jakeic]

flip-flopping and catering to "political polls" is a terrible thing to do, and if you can't be steadfast and resolute in every decision, if you can't admitt that the problem might be complex then you shouldn't be president.

wait a minute, that's how our political system was designed to work. These people represent us, their constituancy. we give these people their jobs, their titles, and their postions. they aren't there to tell us what we are going to do, they are there for us to tell them what they are going to do.

how does standing steadfast against something americans don't want become your strong suit? How does catering to what the american people want become a negative? what kind of dumb people are we to believe what we are told and to not think for ourselves?

Bush and Cheany do not represent the vast majority of republicans, but the people on the right are so desperate to stop the "new communism" that it is impossible for them to vote for a pin-headed liberal. I would of voted McCain.

Karl Rove is quite a man

 

[oldagerocker]

I saw half the debate, the end half. Bush was stumped on a few occasions for responses, they were both fine on their prepared question answer speaches but when Kerry really came at Bush with some sensible points over Iran, North Kerea and the war in Iraq, Bush rambled on about side-issues and how much Kerry changed his mind in the campaign without debating back.
If i was American (i wish i was for this election), Kerry would get my vote. I hope the Debate on domestic issues has the same publicity, Im interested in seeing that.

 

[Korgoth]

Well oldagerocker, the bush was under the impression that this one was his strong point... If kerry got this one, the domestic side is his hands down, polls already show this. Bush was ahead (may still be) in terms of homeland security (i hate using that phrase, it inspires fear, and over patriotism), Kerry has always had him on the domestic issues though. Economy/jobs/healthcare, so if Kerry keeps it up, who knows, he may close the gap. (which i hope to hell he does.)