Farenheit 9/11 trailer now online

[Razor]

Bush is a f*cking idiot, if it is released maybe itll help keep him from getting re-elected.

I think they are both as bad as each other, Michael Moore movies are extremely biased towards his point of view and not the truth.

 

[lePobz]

You know who'd make a good president?

Michael Moore.

 

[CptStern]

have you watched any of them?

In my opinion it matters little that he bends the truth, he usually sticks up for the little guy. Hmmm chuck heston spewing his gun rhetoric or michael moore's bending of the truth. I'll take mr moore over chuck "[not] from my dead cold hands" heston anyday. Who made this toupee wearing looney moses anyway? last time I checked there was 10 commandments not 9. thou shall not kill seems to be absent from chucks version of the commandments

 

[CptStern]

you know who'd make a better president? Noam Chomsky

 

[Razor]

I think Bill Clinton should be brought back, he was very good.

 

[KagePrototype]

I think Bill Clinton should be brought back, he was very good.

* insert compulsory witty blowjob joke here *

 

[Pogrom]

k, here ya go, if I get in trouble it's your fault :

Thanks Capn!


I'll agree that sometimes the information used by Moore is tenuous. But even his most flimsy info is more solid than the CIA tripe that said Iraq had WMD!

And who is Noam Chomsky?

 

[KagePrototype]

Chomsky is most well known for his contributions towards political philosophy, but I think he also did some work on child language. But yeah, he's like smart, n' stuff.

 

[CptStern]

http://www.counterpunch.org/chomskyintv.html

he's a MIT professor in linguistics, activist and author of notable books such as "Manufacturing consent, 9/11, Globalization and others

he is the top critic of the WTO and the IMF as well globalization, US imperialism, Israel occupation etc..

read some of his books he's quite prolific

 

[Pogrom]

http://www.counterpunch.org/chomskyintv.html

he's a MIT professor in linguistics, activist and author of notable books such as "Manufacturing consent, 9/11, Globalization and others

he is the top critic of the WTO and the IMF as well globalization, US imperialism, Israel occupation etc..

read some of his books he's quite prolific

Ah... I see...

*Puts his books on my list of things to read once I get home from China*

 

[Baal]

As much as he lied in bowling for columbine, the point still stands: Stop with the guns!

 

[CptStern]

Ah... I see...

*Puts his books on my list of things to read once I get home from China*

btw the anniversary of Tianemen (sp) square is coming up...what's going on in china in terms of perperation?...I know there's been some arrests of activists

 

[Pogrom]

btw the anniversary of Tianemen (sp) square is coming up...what's going on in china in terms of perperation?...I know there's been some arrests of activists

Everything is really quiet. No mentions in the media or anything. I'm living in a uni dorm, and mentioning it to the average student only gives you a *blink blink* response.

But talking to some older people (people who actually were in Uni when it happened) is a different story. There are people that really want the whole thing to be re-examined.


I only remembered because I'm reading the news online.

Eh, anyway. I'm a loooong way from Beijing...

 

[CptStern]

heh, I'm old enough to remember when it happened...that guy standing in front of the tank sure was brave

 

[Direwolf]

A note: look into Charleton Heston's past.
Check out what really happened at those NRA meetings, what his actual speeches were, and why in "Columbine" one of the people at the forefront of the Civil Rights movement looks like a racist.
This is what first made me question some of Moore's stuff, and five minutes on Google will let you make up your own mind.

 

[CptStern]

could you be a little less vague? what speech in particular?

 

[DarkStar]

Although I'm not a huge fan of Michael Moore and his ambush tactics, this one seems to be more of a proper documentary than his earlier films. For a long time I thought Michael Moore was really just an extremist no different than Rush Limbaugh or Shaun Hannity. It looks like he's grown up a little and I can't wait to see this.

Hopefully this will put an even bigger dent in Bush's poll numbers.

 

[Pogrom]

heh, I'm old enough to remember when it happened...that guy standing in front of the tank sure was brave

It's not about being old enough to remember it happening. It's about being old enough for it to make an impression on you.

I myself was only 8 years old in 1989. Most of my neighbours here in the dorm are 2-3 years younger than me.

 

[Direwolf]

could you be a little less vague? what speech in particular?

I don't want to try and make up anyones mind for them, so I'll let anyone interested look this stuff up themselves. I was referring to the speeches Moore put into Columbine, which includes one made shortly after the Columbine shooting. A hint: it's quite a bit different and doesn't have the words "From my cold dead hands" in it.

 

[CptStern]

but heston says those words in the movie...there's no mistaking it's moses saying those words

 

[CptStern]

It's not about being old enough to remember it happening. It's about being old enough for it to make an impression on you.

I myself was only 8 years old in 1989. Most of my neighbours here in the dorm are 2-3 years younger than me.

I was playing with my gi-joes when I was 8, I didnt even know what politics were

 

[Direwolf]

but heston says those words in the movie...there's no mistaking it's moses saying those words

You're right, Heston did say that, but not then. He said that a year later in North Carolina. Notice the gun he hoists above his head? Its a handmade musket he had just be presented with as a gift. Thats what he's referring to.

 

[CptStern]

ah I see ...ok...but he still sounds like a lunatic

 

[Direwolf]

Anyone interested in the man should go and find a biography. Edificate yourselves. He's not Jesus, but hes certainly not the devil either.
Edit: Rather ironicly this is one of the points that Moore has made many times: that we don't question what we're told.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Oh god. This man is a moron (Moore). I bet he and Osama bunk out together on the weekends. Why shouldnt Congress send their sons and daughters to fight? They would lose their ability to objectively send any troops into battle then. He is putting his own insane agenda in front of the good of the country. Go Michael "Flower Power" Moore! :upstare:

 

[Razor]

Edit: Rather ironicly this is one of the points that Moore has made many times: that we don't question what we're told.

It was also Hitler that made the statement that read something like "leaders through the world can thank their lucky stars that men do not think", which basically means, if the voters actually had any idea who they were voting for and what their points of view were on different subjects, a lot of the world leaders currently ruling wouldn't be.

And even though Bill Clinton had an affair with some woman, would you rather have him or George W Bush, or even his father.

 

[Direwolf]

Well if we supposedly don't know the truth, how do we know which we want?
Logic bombs at their greatest.

 

[seinfeldrules]

GW Bush or his father would suffice and does suffice. I wouldnt want a man who focuses on fighting terrorism domestically. 9/11 showed us what that brings.

 

[Pogrom]

GW Bush or his father would suffice and does suffice. I wouldnt want a man who focuses on fighting terrorism domestically. 9/11 showed us what that brings.

How exactly?

 

[seinfeldrules]

What are you trying to ask?

 

[Sorze]

Oh god. This man is a moron (Moore).

Yeah, his last documentary was more successful than any other documentary before it, and the new one (Fahrenheit) has a good chance of doing the same.

Obviously the man has no brains.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Well Hitler was a big success. He must of had brains too.

 

[Pogrom]

What are you trying to ask?

How was the US only fighting terrorism domestically before 9/11? And assuming they WERE only fighting terrorism domestically before 9/11, how did it lead to 9/11?

Anyway - the best way to fight terrorism does not involve guns and bombs. It involves taking away their reason to fight.

 

[Razor]

Yeah, his last documentary was more successful than any other documentary before it, and the new one (Fahrenheit) has a good chance of doing the same.

Obviously the man has no brains.

You don't need brains to make a documentary, his documentaries are nothing but worthless drivvle that show his views on the subject, not an unbiased view encompassing all views.

 

[Direwolf]

*Starts feeling a downward slide.*

 

[Pogrom]

Well Hitler was a big success. He must of had brains too.

Are you comparing Moore to Hitler?

 

[seinfeldrules]

Are you comparing Moore to Hitler?

I was only putting your statement in perspective.

 

[Pogrom]

I was only putting your statement in perspective.

You must be confusing me with somebody else. I was talking about terrorism. I never mentioned Hitler or Moore.

 

[seinfeldrules]

How was the US only fighting terrorism domestically before 9/11? And assuming they WERE only fighting terrorism domestically before 9/11, how did it lead to 9/11?

Anyway - the best way to fight terrorism does not involve guns and bombs. It involves taking away their reason to fight.

It led to 9/11 because it allowed countries like Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, and Libya to continually fund terrorism without any recourse. Again, World War II could of been prevented if the world hadnt remained isolationist until the last minute. At least Bush, Blair, and the other members of the coalition arent willing to make the same mistake.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

have you watched any of them?

In my opinion it matters little that he bends the truth, he usually sticks up for the little guy. Hmmm chuck heston spewing his gun rhetoric or michael moore's bending of the truth. I'll take mr moore over chuck "[not] from my dead cold hands" heston anyday. Who made this toupee wearing looney moses anyway? last time I checked there was 10 commandments not 9. thou shall not kill seems to be absent from chucks version of the commandments

The commandment is "thou shalt not MURDER"

Killing a crazed psychopath who burst into your home in hopes of raping your wife and slitting your throat is not murder, it's self defense.

And, in Bowling for Columbine, the NRA meetings that occured on Colorado "right after Columbine" were already planned before the incident. None of it took place BECAUSE of Columbine.