G-man. The motives behind the man..thing.

[Reginald]

I'm not normally one for making G-man threads, but I don't like posting my own theories in other people's threads so here goes.

People are complaining that we didn't learn enough about G man in this Episode when Valve claimed we would. But I reckon we learned a fair bit more about his motives.

Firstly, the general consensus is that the Gman knew about the Resonance Cascade, whether he found out about it or his employers. This leads us to believe that he can "see" the future or atleast has a hand in what comes to pass. There is a chance he also knew about the Citadel explosion, hence how he got there so quickly. So am I right in saying he could also know about the message the Citadel was going to send out?

If he did, why did he want to put Gordon back into stasis? His contract, as I imagine it, was not over. All Gordon ultimately did was spark off a chain of reactions that sent a potentially devastating message to the Combine homeworld. If anything, Gordon's contract should be extended to quell the new threat.

This puts a serious dent in the theory that Gman is working against the Combine. He seemed genuinely miffed that Gordon was being "stolen" to prevent this message.
But it also begs the question, if Gordon was hired by the Resistance, what exactly for? In effect he has only made things worse. Did the Resistance really hire Gordon to destroy the Citadel?

Another thing to discuss while we are here, although not directly linked to Episode 1, during Half Life 2, we NEVER see G man in a Combine facility. He is always at a Resistance area apart from the train station. And when he is "hacking" Breen's show.

So yes, go forth and discuss my probably meaningless assumptions! XD

 

[DevgruSeal]

This puts a serious dent in the theory that Gman is working against the Combine. He seemed genuinely miffed that Gordon was being "stolen" to prevent this message.
But it also begs the question, if Gordon was hired by the Resistance, what exactly for? In effect he has only made things worse. Did the Resistance really hire Gordon to destroy the Citadel?

By that, do you the Resistence were the ones "bidding" on his contract..?

 

[FreemanIsNotFree]

Well we learned that G-Man didnt want gordon to help save the world from the combine becuase he says at the end of half life 2.
"Rather than offer you the illusion of free choice, I will take the liberty of choosing for you, if and when your time comes round again".

I see this as the G-Man is taking him back into the time warp and dostn need his help anymore. This shows that the vorganots need gordon to help them with somthing luke fighting the combine.

 

[Reginald]

By that, do you the Resistence were the ones "bidding" on his contract..?

I have always believed that the Resistance hired Gordon. How they got in contact with the Gman remains to be seen, but some people assumed the Gman simply deployed Gordon because he wanted to stop the Combine threat or hired him out to the Resistance with that idea in mind.

 

[Hyperion2010]

Well, lets look at a few things surronding the G-Man and the vortigaunts.

The vorts and the G-Man are A-Spatial and A-Temporal beings. The vorts are a collective contiousness which spans any time period in which a vort existed. Similarly the G-Man appears to be independent of time and place but we do not know if he is part of a collective contiousness or who or what he is connected to, however it seems that he cannot see the future with regards to other A-Temporal beings because they are independent of time and therefore their actions cannot be predicted like beings bound by time.

The vortiguants know that with the fall of the lesser (Nhilanth or however you spell it) the end of the oppression of the great must also come to pass. Vorts exist in many dimensions at once and probably know the full extent of the power of the Universal Union since they have been a slave race to a slave (Nhilanth again). The vorts also know that Freeman is inextricably linked to them unlike any other human being, so clearly they know much more than any resistance leader could given that they are a collective contiousness. I feel that there is no highest bidder, given that the only way to control Gordon is to be better at predicting the future and controling time and space to your advantage.

I say the vorts are much more important than you give them credit for being and the resistance only one of their tools.

There are also other races that have been enslaved by the Universal Union, so this may only be the beginning of a pan dimensional uprising in which Freeman plays the catalyst as he has done so excillently so far.

 

[Megalomaniac]

I have always believed that the Resistance hired Gordon. How they got in contact with the Gman remains to be seen, but some people assumed the Gman simply deployed Gordon because he wanted to stop the Combine threat or hired him out to the Resistance with that idea in mind.

I have too, how else did Barney know he was coming? I don't know who it was behind the resistance that was betting and what they were betting, I just don't think it's by "chance" any of the Black Mesa thing happened, I'm starting to think the G-man started it. The reason behind that I can only guess. Maybe he was trying to save another group by distracting the combine. Maybe he was helping the combine....Who knows...I just think he is in more control then originally thought.

 

[DevgruSeal]

I also think this proves that G-Man is Not Gordon-Man, Gordon-from-the-Future, or whatever else everyone came up with at the end of HL2...

 

[Reginald]

It did actually occur to me a while after writing that thread that the Vortigaunts could have been the ones to hire Gordon but I can find no substantial evidence for this and even have evidence against it:

If they can just "pluck" Gordon out of stasis, why did they need to barter with the obviously manevolent Gman?

 

[Hyperion2010]

Exactly, assume Breen was lying, because, as we know, he cant manipulate time very well.

 

[Megalomaniac]

Exactly, assume Breen was lying, because, as we know, he cant manipulate time very well.

He can't, but his "friends" can, they can let him in on various kinds of information that would concern his rein of power...

 

[hasan]

Oh my God!
Something just hit me after reading your posts ..

The reason why the resistance and everyone in HL2 was expecting the arrival of Gordon Freeman; it's because the Vorts knew that the G-Man was releasing him, and they told everyone about it.

If the Vorts can cross time & space like the GMan .. that will explain it.

Also, another idea just hit me.
Between HL1 and HL2, gordon was sleeping somewhere outside of our dimension .. somewhere .. but the Vorts don't know where that place is.

However, after HL2, the place was known to the Vorts ... the citidel.
That's why this time .. they intervened, saving Alyx and Gordon, and stopping the GMan from taking Gordon somewhere else.

See, the GMan would've just let Alyx die, he had no interest in her. The Vorts apparently developed some relationship with Alyx and Eli and Kliener, so they saved her life (you can see in the EP2 teaser that they care for Alyx).

 

[FreemanIsNotFree]

That makes sense. The vorganots either didnt need gordon between hl1 and hl2 or they didnt know where he was. And as hasan said, they new gordon was in the citidel and they took him before he was put into the time warp by G-Man.

 

[Kruel]

Actually, Gordon was already in the time warp when the Vorts took him. Note the black background, as opposed to the previous scene where the Vorts take Alex from the Citedel.

 

[FreemanIsNotFree]

Yea but you (gordon) were wacthing the entire thing. They took alex and then it seemed like they took you right before the G-Man was going to give another epic speech and put you in the warp.

 

[Megalomaniac]

Wait a sec, there is still something that hasnt been explained.

Half Life 2 ends, you get a nice speech with cryptic meaning.

Half Life 2 Episode 1 begins...no speech...did they travel back in time? What happened?

 

[FreemanIsNotFree]

I think it was supposed to be right after the speech but the thing is that G-Man would have been there still. That was somthing I was thinking about. I thought it would be better if Valve started that scene off by replayed G-Mans speech and then having the vorgs save them. I didnt understand that though. It actually doesnt make sense but I think valve would have realised this if it was important so it must fit in somwhere.

 

[kamikazeCow]

Did anyone else notice that there were no vorts in city 17? even the slave ones knew to get out of there... also if vorts existed out of time or whatever, how on earth were they captured in nova prospect/inslaved?

 

[Hyperion2010]

Did anyone else notice that there were no vorts in city 17? even the slave ones knew to get out of there... also if vorts existed out of time or whatever, how on earth were they captured in nova prospect/inslaved?

Remember those red flashes and loud sounds that the pod attacked you with?

Now imagine that happening to every single vortigaunt ever, thats one possible way to enslave them.

 

[Asus]

They show Alyx right were we left her in HL2 but what is a little odd is that the Gman comes back through the white door so soon after he had just left at the end in HL2. I suppose he was coming back to give you another assignment until he saw the Vorts.

HL2 quotes Some of 'the All-Knowing Vortigaunt" lines at the bottom are interesting.

"There is no distance between us. No false veil of time or space may intervene."

 

[Dirk Pitt]

I think how it went down was thus.

The vorts grabbed alyx and let the gman take you and give his speech. At the end of HL2, gman straightens his tie, starts smiling, then the door opens and he walks out. I'm thinking THAT is the point in Ep.1 that you regain conciousness. He is still smiling as he walks through a "door" right into the vorts.

Further, I think the vorts wanted you to see them hold up the gman as they let you go, but for what purpose I couldnt begin to guess.

 

[Kruel]

Well, you guys are assuming that since we see the Vorts take Alex, that means that Gordon was there...

Based on that kind of logic, we must also assume that Gordon was flying to the top of the Citadel at the start of the scene, since that's what we first see.

I got the impression that we were shown the first bit (with Alex being taken) not from Gordon's perspective. It doesn't switch to Gordon's perspective until the up-close shot of the G-man starts to fade out and the distant G-man becomes visible. THAT's looking through Gordon's eyes.

 

[JackKerouac]

It can't be at the same time that G-man was giving his original speech for many reasons. 1. The g-man had his briefcase orginally and does not have it in this new one. 2. The door in which g-man exited in half life 2, was to the side of you, g-man enters directly infront of you in episode 1 3. In half life 2 G-man is just "there" untill he leaves using the door, he doesnt not start his speech by entering the room he would have already been present.

 

[DevgruSeal]

Then is that to say that even after the G-Man leaves, Alyx is still in that slow warp time?

 

[MorganFreeman911]

Perhaps it takes a few minutes / seconds for the time warp to Dissipate.

 

[Unfocused]

Perhaps Valve just had to link it somehow and didn't bother with details

 

[Plug]

If you consider the introduction in ep1 and hl2, there are things shown that aren't happening in that time.

They show the test chamber in hl2 and pods moving around in the citadel. In ep 1, you see breen on the tv and you zoom up to the citadel.

It's not unreasonable to think that this is a memory of gordon's coming back to him at the right moment thanks to the vorts intervention.

What say you?

 

[Black Op]

It's not unreasonable to think that this is a memory of gordon's coming back to him at the right moment thanks to the vorts intervention.

What say you?

I say Freeman is plagued with out-of-body experiences that both the Vortigaunts and G-Man can subject him to.

 

[FreemanIsNotFree]

I dont think that valve would let a detial as big as that slide without details as unfocused said. I mean c'mon, G-Man speechs are one of the most important thing in the hl series. There must be somthing else that will unravel in... well im not really at liberty to say.. But in the meantime, this is where I get of..