Mankind and The Universe

Avoidist said:
Ah, so that's what he was on about. I agree in many respects, though admittedly this should be set up on the moon first. It's also hard to have a self-sustaining environment in such a case, most likely requiring a series of constant imports, though it could be done./quote]

Yes. I should be more obvious, sorry.
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repiV said:
What? Global warming is going to destroy human civilisation?

What book did you get that load out of - the Old Testament with revised notes by Al Gore?
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Not heard of the Permian?Triassic extinction event have we? Its the earth largest extinction event in which 96% of all marine species and 70% of all terrestrial species simply went extinct and the leading theory for its causation suggests that severe global warming was the main culprit.
 
[Matt] said:
Not heard of the Permian?Triassic extinction event have we? Its the earth largest extinction event in which 96% of all marine species and 70% of all terrestrial species simply went extinct and the leading theory for its causation suggests that severe global warming was the main culprit.
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Bit of a far cry from SUV-induced end of the world.
 
I'd say wide scale long term terraforming of Mars is definitely a No No, but sustainable protective habitations isn't improbable. One of the big things that is ignored is the long term economic cost. Even if a planet could be terraformed, the process would take hundreds of years to carry out and there would be no economic gain from it in the short term. terraforming Mars isn't going to win you an election, or raise your quarterly returns, so where is the huge amount of funding coming from to foot the bill?
 
You don't need to spend lots of money to terraform Mars. You just need to get yo ass to Mars.
 
A much easier and cost-effective solution would be to adpat us to mars through genetics.
 
It wouldn't be that expensive to start terraforming an atmosphere etc. using engineered microbes, lichens etc.
They'd keep themselves going after initial startup.
Of course, it might take a while :)
 
Stigmata said:
1) Yes. It'd be a lot more cost-effective to just build some small over-ground buildings along with a large network of underground tunnels, roads, and buildings to connect everything, do research, have living quarters, and so forth.
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Sounds alot like the UAC Mars base!:D

Tyguy said:
But until then we should learn how to make a decent automobile first :dozey:
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Speaking of automobiles, is that some sort of icon of some car on your avatar Tyguy? It's been bothering me because I could never figure out what the hell that came from. Now seemed a good time to ask.

[Matt] said:
The problem with mars is that terraforming the planet will be close to impossible thanks to its lack of a strong enough magnetic field to protect an atmosphere thick enough for us to live in. The reason mars has an atmospheric pressure that is less than 1% of that os the earths is that the planet doesnt have a Magnetosphere like the earth does and as such its atmosphere has been blown away by solar winds. Any terraforming project would have to tackle that problem by re-igniting the core of mars as stage one in the process which would require near impossible levels of energy to do.
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Just curious, but have you ever seen that Schwarzenegger movie Total Recall? They make Terraforming look so easy don't they?:P

repiV said:
Bit of a far cry from SUV-induced end of the world.
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Also, have any of you ever heard of the theories that suggest human-induced global-warming is highly improbable? I can't find any links at the moment, but some researchers suggest that global warming is merely a natural cause, that human pollution has nothing to do with it. They say it's only a natural process and that we're still regressing out of the ice age. Plus, these same researchers have concluded that a single volcanic blast has more ozone damaging CFC's than all of the pollution generated by mankind combined over the last 100 years or so of the industrial age.
 
Saturos said:
Speaking of automobiles, is that some sort of icon of some car on your avatar Tyguy? It's been bothering me because I could never figure out what the hell that came from. Now seemed a good time to ask.
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Ya, I own a Mazda RX-8 which recently flooded due to turning off the car while the engine is cold. Its a major problem with these models and it cost me 140 dollars.
 
Tyguy said:
Ya, I own a Mazda RX-8 which recently flooded due to turning off the car while the engine is cold. Its a major problem with these models and it cost me 140 dollars.
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Kinda figured it was the mule you owned or something. Heh.:cheese: Is your avatar an actual shot of your particular Mazda?
 
Cheomesh said:
Eh? You're off your rocker Piggy.
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Not at all. Mars' gravity is a third of ours. Though people born and bred on mars would be fine, the intial conolisers would need some changes if they required any kind of permantant inhabitation. Unless of course artificial gravity is discovered, which is so ridiculously unlikely its not worth discussing.
 
[Matt] said:
When you look at all all the latest evidence for global warming including the phenomena of global dimming then no it isn't.
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I'd never heard of "global dimming" until you mentioned it, and according to Wikipedia the trend is reversing anyway. And nowhere does it say that it's caused by global warming.

Personally I don't like to get caught up in hysterical nonsense, and the suggestion that we won't get to colonise other planets because of global warming is both hysterical and hilarious.

For some reason people seem to need this end of the world bullshit, and since they can't justify that with the Rapture anymore, they go with global warming junk science instead because it sounds more credible.
 
Saturos said:
Also, have any of you ever heard of the theories that suggest human-induced global-warming is highly improbable? I can't find any links at the moment, but some researchers suggest that global warming is merely a natural cause, that human pollution has nothing to do with it. They say it's only a natural process and that we're still regressing out of the ice age. Plus, these same researchers have concluded that a single volcanic blast has more ozone damaging CFC's than all of the pollution generated by mankind combined over the last 100 years or so of the industrial age.
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Yes, plenty. The percentage of "greenhouse gases" in the atmosphere of human origin is tiny. Under 1% if I remember rightly.
**** that though, it's the way junk science is used to justify agendas in the face of ignorance - private transport is totally insignificant in the overall human CO2 picture - like 2% of emissions in the UK are caused by motor vehicles, and there are more cars on our roads than there are Australians.
A Toyota Prius is actually vastly more environmentally unsound than a normal car because incredibly rare and expensive chemicals and materials are involved in its manufacture. It's the manufacturing of vehicles that causes by far the most pollution, not the running of them - if people were really concerned about global warming, and not just their own socialist agendas, we would be encouraging manufacturers to build their vehicles to a higher, longer-lasting standard so that they don't get replaced every year or two.
A London bus is 128 times as polluting as the average family car - yet carries a maximum of 70 or so people and an average of something like 18. It would be best for the environment if everyone took the car to work - and the same government which goes on about global warming didn't deliberately engineer traffic congestion to justify yet more money-making exercises.
Yet anyone would tell you the driver is the planet's enemy number one. **** that. When global warming isn't represented by ignorant masses who want something to rally behind with religious levels of zealotry and left-wing politicians who want an excuse to rape people of their hard-earned, maybe I'll listen. Until then, they can all **** off.
 
Atomic_Piggy said:
Not at all. Mars' gravity is a third of ours. Though people born and bred on mars would be fine, the intial conolisers would need some changes if they required any kind of permantant inhabitation. Unless of course artificial gravity is discovered, which is so ridiculously unlikely its not worth discussing.
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gravity would be the least of the problems to living on mars, food, water, air etc being more problematic.
 
Mr Stabby said:
gravity would be the least of the problems to living on mars, food, water, air etc being more problematic.
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Oh yeah, of course, but I would like to think we would find some way to create self-sufficent colonies of some sort by then.
 
Apparently we have already made contact. Supposedly the American government have been trading human resources for technology.

What I heard anyway.
 
Vectyr said:
Apparently we have already made contact. Supposedly the American government have been trading human resources for technology.

What I heard anyway.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Oh boy *wipes tear*

Ahem. Evidence.

BTW I take it this is a joke right? Right?
 
And then there're all those reptilian underground aliens theories. They're hilarious.
 
Atomic_Piggy said:
Don't forget the Hitler living in the centre of the Earth (which is hollow).
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Hitlerlives.jpg


:|

Oh noes.
 
repiV said:
Yes, plenty. The percentage of "greenhouse gases" in the atmosphere of human origin is tiny. Under 1% if I remember rightly.

**** that though, it's the way junk science is used to justify agendas in the face of ignorance - private transport is totally insignificant in the overall human CO2 picture - like 2% of emissions in the UK are caused by motor vehicles, and there are more cars on our roads than there are Australians.
A Toyota Prius is actually vastly more environmentally unsound than a normal car because incredibly rare and expensive chemicals and materials are involved in its manufacture. It's the manufacturing of vehicles that causes by far the most pollution, not the running of them - if people were really concerned about global warming, and not just their own socialist agendas, we would be encouraging manufacturers to build their vehicles to a higher, longer-lasting standard so that they don't get replaced every year or two.
A London bus is 128 times as polluting as the average family car - yet carries a maximum of 70 or so people and an average of something like 18. It would be best for the environment if everyone took the car to work - and the same government which goes on about global warming didn't deliberately engineer traffic congestion to justify yet more money-making exercises.
Yet anyone would tell you the driver is the planet's enemy number one. **** that. When global warming isn't represented by ignorant masses who want something to rally behind with religious levels of zealotry and left-wing politicians who want an excuse to rape people of their hard-earned, maybe I'll listen. Until then, they can all **** off.
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Dear repriv,

I am currently rolling in laughter from the sheer unbelievable stupidity of this post.

Thank you, I am printing it out for the "strange people on the internet" column of my school newspaper.
 
theotherguy said:
Dear repriv,

I am currently rolling in laughter from the sheer unbelievable stupidity of this post.

Thank you, I am printing it out for the "strange people on the internet" column of my school newspaper.
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It's easy to point fingers, it's a lot more difficult to say anything worthwhile.

So kindly shut your self-righteous, clueless kiddie mouth unless you have anything useful to add.
 
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