Oasis - Lyla

[craig]

First single off the new album was played on Polish radio tonite. Lyrics:

Calling all the stars to fall
And catch the silver sunlight in your hands.
Comfort me, you set me free
Lift me up and take me where I stand
She believes in everything
And everyone and you and yours and mine
I waited for a thousand years
For you to come and blow me out my mind

Hey, Lyla
The stars are about to fall so what do you say, Lyla?
The world around us makes me feel so small, Lyla
If you can hear me call then I can say, Lyla
Heaven help you catch me if I fall

She's the queen of all I've seen
And every song and city far and near
Heaven help my mademoiselle
She ring the bell for all the world to hear

Hey, Lyla
The stars are about to fall so what do you say, Lyla?
The world around us makes me feel so small, Lyla
If you can hear me call then I can say, Lyla
Heaven help you catch me if I fall

Hey, Lyla
The stars are about to fall so what do you say, Lyla?
The world around us makes me feel so small, Lyla
If you can hear me call then I can say, Lyla
Heaven help you catch me when I fall?
Hey, Lyla
Hey, Lyla...

Definitley a 6/10 song. Bit meh, but still a catchy enough tune... just a shame its the first single!

 

[J_Tweedy]

that's all they're doing these days- 6 out of 10 formulaic average songs. Bit of a shame really, WTSMG was awesome

 

[PoeticRocker]

THey had some great songs in their day.

 

[hellfire_bullet]

I love their songs "Wonderwall" and "Dont go Away"

 

[Tortured_Soul]

Wonder wall never gets old i love it and its easy to play which makes it even better

 

[stemot]

Hmmm, average songs eh?

Right so, SongBird, Born On A Different Cloud, The Cage, Idlers Dream, Gas Panic, Where Did It All Go Wrong etc, these are all formulatic songs eh? oh wait? you never heard any of them except SongBird eh?
What about all the B-sides to the singles?

Strange how people judge a band off their songs on the radio innit?

Fact is for the past 8 year Oasis have never released their best songs as singles, maybe except for Songbird.

And if you`ve Heard Lyla, more than twice you`d realise that it isn`t average either, it harks back to the best album they ever did, which is Definately Maybe NOT What`s The Story.
Check out some Oasis boards, people love it!

If your gonna slag them off make sure you know a bit about them first.

 

[craig]

Hmmm, average songs eh?

Right so, SongBird, Born On A Different Cloud, The Cage, Idlers Dream, Gas Panic, Where Did It All Go Wrong etc, these are all formulatic songs eh? oh wait? you never heard any of them except SongBird eh?
What about all the B-sides to the singles?

Strange how people judge a band off their songs on the radio innit?

Fact is for the past 8 year Oasis have never released their best songs as singles, maybe except for Songbird.

And if you`ve Heard Lyla, more than twice you`d realise that it isn`t average either, it harks back to the best album they ever did, which is Definately Maybe NOT What`s The Story.
Check out some Oasis boards, people love it!

If your gonna slag them off make sure you know a bit about them first.

I'll break that down the supposed 'best songs they've done in the past 8 years':

Songbird - Liam song #1... not bad I guess, but it's too short and doesn't go anywhere interesting. 6/10

Born on a different cloud #2... could they make him sound any more like Lennon. Not a bad tune for a man who has more in common with an ape than an ape. 6/10

The Cage (never been called this by Noel, wonder where the name came from?) is an instrumental.. nowhere near the heights of the Swamp song. 4/10 (theres a reason this one has no words and is only on the Jap Heathen Chemistry album release).

Idlers Drawm - Actually this isn't a bad song for the first 2/3 listens, but it gets old way too quick.. doesn't even get close to B-Sides of the calliber of Stay Young or Let's all Makebelieve. 4/10

Gas Panic - Great Tune... not so great live though. 9/10.

Where did it all go wrong? - Yeah, not a bad little tune, the lead guitar part is wank though and Noel sounds a bit whiney when he's singing parts of it. 7/10.

I'll admit, for the longest time I was a huge advocate of Oasis and would have words with any man who slagged them off, but the fact is the last two albums could have been condensed into one album and it still wouldn't have reached the heights of Definitely Maybe, or Morning Glory.


IMO, this is what they should have released:

Oasis - The What Should Have Been LP.

1. ****in' in the bushes.
2. Go Let It Out.
3. Songbird.
4. She is Love.
5. Sunday Morning Call.
6. Where Did It All Go Wrong?
7. Gas Panic.
8. The Hindu Times.
9. Little By Little.
10. Born on a Different Cloud.
11. Stop Crying Your Heart Out.

and it would still have been an 8/10 LP.

As for Lyla. Well. If it wasn't such a rip off of Street Fighting Man then maybe it'd be considered a good song :|?

 

[stemot]

I'll break that down the supposed 'best songs they've done in the past 8 years':

Songbird - Liam song #1... not bad I guess, but it's too short and doesn't go anywhere interesting. 6/10

Born on a different cloud #2... could they make him sound any more like Lennon. Not a bad tune for a man who has more in common with an ape than an ape. 6/10

The Cage (never been called this by Noel, wonder where the name came from?) is an instrumental.. nowhere near the heights of the Swamp song. 4/10 (theres a reason this one has no words and is only on the Jap Heathen Chemistry album release).

Idlers Drawm - Actually this isn't a bad song for the first 2/3 listens, but it gets old way too quick.. doesn't even get close to B-Sides of the calliber of Stay Young or Let's all Makebelieve. 4/10

Gas Panic - Great Tune... not so great live though. 9/10.

Where did it all go wrong? - Yeah, not a bad little tune, the lead guitar part is wank though and Noel sounds a bit whiney when he's singing parts of it. 7/10.

I'll admit, for the longest time I was a huge advocate of Oasis and would have words with any man who slagged them off, but the fact is the last two albums could have been condensed into one album and it still wouldn't have reached the heights of Definitely Maybe, or Morning Glory.


IMO, this is what they should have released:

Oasis - The What Should Have Been LP.

1. ****in' in the bushes.
2. Go Let It Out.
3. Songbird.
4. She is Love.
5. Sunday Morning Call.
6. Where Did It All Go Wrong?
7. Gas Panic.
8. The Hindu Times.
9. Little By Little.
10. Born on a Different Cloud.
11. Stop Crying Your Heart Out.

and it would still have been an 8/10 LP.

As for Lyla. Well. If it wasn't such a rip off of Street Fighting Man then maybe it'd be considered a good song :|?

Yeah, but the fact is mate, you hold any album up to DM or WTSMG they become average at best, so Oasis can`t win if they are being compared to their old stuff.

Lyla, well, if your going on songs that aren`t enjoyable because they rip off another song then:-

The Hindu Times = Stereophonics

C&A = Marc Bolan & TRex

Stand By Me = Mott The Hoople

ShakerMaker = Coca Cola

Don`t Look Back In Anger = John Lennon

All In The Mind = The Stone Roses

Do the fact that these songs are directly ripped off bother you, it can`t do because the Hindu Times is on your list, so if you really do truley hate Lyla for having lines sounding like Street Fighting Man, then that`s quite hypocritical (no disrespect intended).

Oh yeah, the Cage got it`s name when it appeared on an NME cover CD listed as "The Cage" and it actaully is on the UK album if you fast foward past the finsih of better man for a little while, it`s a secret track, any self respecting Oasis fan, past or present would know that.

 

[craig]

Oh yeah, the Cage got it`s name when it appeared on an NME cover CD listed as "The Cage" and it actaully is on the UK album if you fast foward past the finsih of better man for a little while, it`s a secret track, any self respecting Oasis fan, past or present would know that.

I stand corrected. It's not 'The Cage' that's on the Jap Heathen Chemistry at the end it's You've got the heart of a star.

I think the main point I was trying to make is the fact that oasis has lost it's spark. They don't have the same in-your-face-ness they had in the 90s.. everything feels tired like it's taken effort put together..

The best music Oasis ever wrote was when they were on hard times money wise (so maybe that 50 million quid Noel has in the bank should be taken off him?)

All the anthems have been replaced with 3/4 chord songs that get boring really quick because... its the same chord progression all the way through the song, theres probably one verse and one chorus (both repeated twice) and theres no lead guitar part like the killer Supersonic, Rock n' Roll Star, Live Forver, Swamp Song, Champagne... solos of yesteryear.

Never mind eh... album 6 is afoot... Oasis will complete their deal with Sony... I'm sure the band will implode some time after single 4 has been released.

 

[stemot]

I stand corrected. It's not 'The Cage' that's on the Jap Heathen Chemistry at the end it's You've got the heart of a star.

I think the main point I was trying to make is the fact that oasis has lost it's spark. They don't have the same in-your-face-ness they had in the 90s.. everything feels tired like it's taken effort put together..

The best music Oasis ever wrote was when they were on hard times money wise (so maybe that 50 million quid Noel has in the bank should be taken off him?)

All the anthems have been replaced with 3/4 chord songs that get boring really quick because... its the same chord progression all the way through the song, theres probably one verse and one chorus (both repeated twice) and theres no lead guitar part like the killer Supersonic, Rock n' Roll Star, Live Forver, Swamp Song, Champagne... solos of yesteryear.

Never mind eh... album 6 is afoot... Oasis will complete their deal with Sony... I'm sure the band will implode some time after single 4 has been released.

Well, this summer will be the 4th time I`ve seen them live in 5 years, and I can assure you, when your singing to these songs, and thousands of other people are singing to them, then you can be assured that there`s no way thet`ve lost their spark.
Myabe they have dropped abit since their Debut and subsequent follow up, but they are still doing better things then 99.9% of other bands.

I guess your never gonna change your mind about them now, and I respect that, but well, I guess us thousands and thousands of fans that like their boring songs can just get on with being wrong eh?

 

[craig]

Well, this summer will be the 4th time I`ve seen them live in 5 years, and I can assure you, when your singing to these songs, and thousands of other people are singing to them, then you can be assured that there`s no way thet`ve lost their spark.
Myabe they have dropped abit since their Debut and subsequent follow up, but they are still doing better things then 99.9% of other bands.

I guess your never gonna change your mind about them now, and I respect that, but well, I guess us thousands and thousands of fans that like their boring songs can just get on with being wrong eh?

The fan base is like 2% of what it used to be. I'm still a fan.. and I'll still buy anything they release probably.. I just wish they'd (rather Noel would re-take the reins), get whitey, bonehead, and guigsy back and make Oasis what it was.

I've got tix for 30/06/05 at Man City.. how bout u? I'd guess they'll be playing 6 new songs and mainly greatest hits (for obvious reasons).

 

[stemot]

The fan base is like 2% of what it used to be. I'm still a fan.. and I'll still buy anything they release probably.. I just wish they'd (rather Noel would re-take the reins), get whitey, bonehead, and guigsy back and make Oasis what it was.

I've got tix for 30/06/05 at Man City.. how bout u? I'd guess they'll be playing 6 new songs and mainly greatest hits (for obvious reasons).

Well, it would be a short gig if they only played the new album eh?

Slight exageration on the 2% thing there, they don`t have all the bandwagon jumpers that they had in 95, but the real fans that stuck with them are quite numerous, and not just in this country (and not America, I mean the other half of the planet)

I`m still slightly perplexed as to why whitey left, but the drumming on Lyla is as good as anything whitey came up with (not counting live of course), so maybe his leaving will not affect the band too much.

I`ve got tickets for July 3rd at Manchester. Hope it`s as good as Wembley (first night, not Liams pissed up second night) and Finsbury Park were, they were awesome!

 

[kaf11]

im hoping they come somewhere close to me in the states. all of their announced dates are quite far away.

 

[craig]

Wouldn't put money on it

 

[Lucid]

Eh, I liked Champagne Supernova.
Pretty trippy song.

 

[kaf11]

Wouldn't put money on it

you lucky brits get to see them all of the time. ive been waiting for them to come through my area for years and they never do.

 

[oldagerocker]

When is the album going to be released?
I cant wait to hear new stuff, even if it is formulaic.

 

[Shakermaker]

When is the album going to be released?
I cant wait to hear new stuff, even if it is formulaic.

Same here. I'm a fan.

 

[stemot]

May 30th in the UK, anywhere else, dunno.

Well, so far the albums been getting good reviews from places that normally give Oasis albums a kick in the ribs, so things are looking promising.

 

[Xune]

I was really looking forward to this new album right up until I heard Lyla for the first time.

Then I heard Noel say that Lyla is only the 5th best track on the album of 11 songs. WTF?! So not only have they released a single that they know not to be good enough, but there are 5 other tracks that are worse than this shallow and repetative song.

With this being their last album under their current contract I'd have to conclude that the band wont be continuing after this is finished with.

 

[Shakermaker]

OK, I downloaded it. I actually really like it. But then again, I'm a fan.

 

[Xune]

I love oasis, but I can't relate to Lyla in any way at all. It doesn' even sound like the stuff that came out of the much derided Be Here Now peroid, some of which was quite good.

This really isn't what I'd expected to be saying after Heathen Chemistry, which (besides A Quick Peep, Probably All In The Mind and She Is Love) was great.

 

[kaf11]

i finally got it and i have to agree with shakermaker. the more i listen to it, the better it is.

 

[stemot]

I was really looking forward to this new album right up until I heard Lyla for the first time.

Then I heard Noel say that Lyla is only the 5th best track on the album of 11 songs. WTF?! So not only have they released a single that they know not to be good enough, but there are 5 other tracks that are worse than this shallow and repetative song.

With this being their last album under their current contract I'd have to conclude that the band wont be continuing after this is finished with.

If you`d seen the reviews its been getting, there is only one song on average on the album that is getting under 8/10, and that`s Let There Be Love.

So no, there arent five songs worse than Lyla, and in fact, Lyla is a ****in excellent song, and in my OPINION (note opinion, don`t wanna get into a whole flame debate over it) it pisses all over that shite that the Gorillaz are releasing the same week.

 

[oldagerocker]

ooo flame suit time. i like both, the gorillaz and oasis happy me.

 

[Xune]

Reviews are merely other peoples opinions too. The fact that they are in print shouldn't give them any more weight then what you and I are saying. The quote of 5th best song didn't come from a review either, it came from the chief himself.

I love Oasis, however Lyla doesn't do anything for me. It's too repetative and, except for Liam's voice, doesn't even sound like Oasis. That isn't always a bad thing, take Gas Panic which isn't Oasis in sound but is by far the best song they have ever made. Then there's stuff like She Is Love and Probably All In The Mind, also not typical Oasis, which are rubbish. I'd say Lyla is more towards the SIL end of the spectrum.

 

[stemot]

Reviews are merely other peoples opinions too. The fact that they are in print shouldn't give them any more weight then what you and I are saying. The quote of 5th best song didn't come from a review either, it came from the chief himself.

I love Oasis, however Lyla doesn't do anything for me. It's too repetative and, except for Liam's voice, doesn't even sound like Oasis. That isn't always a bad thing, take Gas Panic which isn't Oasis in sound but is by far the best song they have ever made. Then there's stuff like She Is Love and Probably All In The Mind, also not typical Oasis, which are rubbish. I'd say Lyla is more towards the SIL end of the spectrum.

Yeah, but the "Chief" also says Be Here Now was the worst album they did, and I`m sorry it`s not.
Just cos Noel says it doesn`t make it true, he`s always contridicting himself.

You say that "She Is Love" and "All In The Mind" are rubbish, yet these, in my opinion are good tracks, much better than dross like "Put your money where your mouth is" or "My big mouth".

Lyla.....doesn`t sound like Oasis eh? Neither did Digsys Dinner, which sounds alot like Lyla in respect to chords used etc, but some people consider it a good song, as many do Lyla, go read some fan forums, The fans are loving it, and after all, they are the only ones Oasis want to please anymore.

I do agree with you on the reviews, and the fact is, I`ve found every one of the Oasis albums to be worth the money.
Every album has songs on I skip past (even definatly maybe), which you`ll find with any album, (or every Blur album since The Great Escape ) but the excellent songs far outweigh the crap on Oasis albums, usually by about 7-2, which I`m quite happy with to be honest.

Oh yeah, and I love Lyla.

 

[Xune]

I tend to stay clear of oasis forums, as they're usually full of people who's only response to even slight criticism of Oasis results in a torrent of abuse. What's worse is they actually type their responses as if they were speaking like Liam. They might as well type in l337.

I see Lyla as a b-side or album filler, definitely not a first single off a three year album. Each to their own.

 

[stemot]

I tend to stay clear of oasis forums, as they're usually full of people who's only response to even slight criticism of Oasis results in a torrent of abuse. What's worse is they actually type their responses as if they were speaking like Liam. They might as well type in l337.

I see Lyla as a b-side or album filler, definitely not a first single off a three year album. Each to their own.

You steer clear, but have a very stereotypical view of the forums, that`s wrong. The forums have members that are open to criticism of Oasis songs (everyone knows they have put out some crap on their albums), some were like you, hated at first, but now it has grown on them, some still don`t but the majority are loving it.

As long as your criticism is constructive (which, so far, yours isn`t, what`s wrong with the song? the lyrics? the sound? etc) they`ll always be willing to discuss, but not if you go on saying it`s rubbish without any reason why.

Oh yeah, and take a look at how much airplay the new singles getting in America, more than anything Oasis have done since DYKWIM comined.
A good catchy rock n roll song, nothing that`s gonna set the world alight, but something that fans can listen to and enjoy.

 

[craig]

Just Listened to another 4 of the Album tracks... specifically:

1. Let there Be Love.
2. Mucky Fingers.
3. Meaning of Soul.
4. Keep the Dream Alive.


1. Let there Be Love - Still trying to get used to this one, because I've been listening to this song for about 5 years now (it was on the Oasis demos for Standing on the Shoulder of Giants) and Noel has completley changed the lyrics. Still, pretty good.

2. Mucky Fingers - Pretty Good. No real opinions on this yet.

3. Meaning of Soul - Heard this at Glastonbury last year. Sound Pretty much the same as it did then. Pretty good rocker I suppose.

4. Keep the Dream Alive - Defintley the best of the four. A song that wouldn't sound out of place on an American Pie album soundtrack I'm sure. Not sure if thats a good thing, but there you go.

 

[stemot]

Just Listened to another 4 of the Album tracks... specifically:

1. Let there Be Love.
2. Mucky Fingers.
3. Meaning of Soul.
4. Keep the Dream Alive.


1. Let there Be Love - Still trying to get used to this one, because I've been listening to this song for about 5 years now (it was on the Oasis demos for Standing on the Shoulder of Giants) and Noel has completley changed the lyrics. Still, pretty good.

2. Mucky Fingers - Pretty Good. No real opinions on this yet.

3. Meaning of Soul - Heard this at Glastonbury last year. Sound Pretty much the same as it did then. Pretty good rocker I suppose.

4. Keep the Dream Alive - Defintley the best of the four. A song that wouldn't sound out of place on an American Pie album soundtrack I'm sure. Not sure if thats a good thing, but there you go.

Yep, I`ve got em too, not had a good chance to listen to em yet, but from early listenings, then the reviews of the album seem to be well justified, these songs are excellent, well psyched for the album now (or a full leak, whatever comes first :cheese: ).

 

[Xune]

Just heard the leaked tracks, all pretty awful. What the hell is "Let There Be Love" supposed to be, some kind of Beatlesque "Let It Be"?

It's the end of Oasis and no mistake.

 

[stemot]

Just heard the leaked tracks, all pretty awful. What the hell is "Let There Be Love" supposed to be, some kind of Beatlesque "Let It Be"?

It's the end of Oasis and no mistake.

There you go again, all awful? why? explain? this is the best stuff Oasis have done in years.

No, Let There Be Love isn`t supposed to be the Beatles, it`s Oasis.

It may be your opinion, but without any reason to back it up, your opinion counts for **** all, Craig and me have been having a good discussion over Lyla, the new tracks, Coldplay etc, but we each give reasons why we don`t like them and respect each others viewpoints.

Your just an arse.

 

[Xune]

At what point have I not respected your (or anyone elses) point of view? Right I didn't think so.

As for why I don't like any of the 5 tracks I've heard: When I first listened to Oasis I could feel the songs and by god they feelt right! As each progressive album rolled out moods, tunes, rhythms, beats all changed but it was still Oasis and it rocked!

Now I think to myself, perhaps it's not Oasis that have changed, but I. Perhaps I simply have changed my tastes in music. So I've listened to every album and every single I have, which is ALL of them. And do you know what? The 5 tracks I've heard of this album are amongst the worst of the lot. Yet Oasis still rocks my world.

Now perhaps I lack the language to satisfy you as to why I don't like these tracks, but honestly, I don't care. I like Oasis' music for what it makes me think and feel, what it means to me. These 5 tracks mean nothing, feel empty and make me think where did it all go wrong?

Do I want you to think what I think, like what I like? NO! However in this thread, I shall express EXACTLY what I think of Oasis and their latest album. I shall also refrain from making personal comments whether I think I am justified to or not.

Xune. (Just and arse).

 

[stemot]

I`m sorry mate, but if you really think these tracks are amongst the worst, then I guess I`ve come to missunderstand Oasis music full stop.

After the faliures that were BHN and SOTSOG (each album did have it`s gems though) can you seriously say that these leaked tracks don`t compare?
Come on man, Keep The Dream Alive is one of the best tracks they`ve ever written full stop, and Let There Be Love is also a classic.
Mucky Fingers is just a good stomp along, and until I hear a better quality version of Meaning Of Soul I can`t say for sure, but this version sounds easily as good and rocky as Bring It On Down.

You say these songs make you feel empty, which amazes me because there`s so much more emotion in the Keep The Dream Alive and Let There Be Love, than in the whole of BHN and SOTSOG and HC.
Emotion doesn`t mean better, but they are, better than MOST of the songs on those albums, so really, are you just comparing these to the albums Oasis had in their heyday? To me it must be the case.

Oh, and yeah, the purpose of the comments was because you were being an arse, but now you have come up with a reason for why you don`t like them, and everybodys opinion is different, but you can`t judge an album off half the songs.

As a side note, if the rest of the album turns out to be as good as the 5 tracks, then me and alot of other fans will be happy, and then, well, I couldn`t care less what anyone else thinks.