Suppression device theory

[M_Gargantua]

I've recently done some thought into the disintegration that happens to people who get hit by the suppression devices and the energy balls.

What got me thinking was something I read on something called water atomization. its just electylosis in an instant, but it requires a large pulse of electrical energy.

so when I saw a person disolve into dust my mind saw what could be happening.

The body is made of almost 90% water. the rest is just carbon and some trace elements. think of what would happen if you suddenly removed all that water. a 200 pound person would carbon dust. That led me to the conclusion that the beam was able to conduct electricity.

So, the theory:
The Beam is focud plasma, likely controled and aimed by the same whatevers that direct the beam in Minerva. the beam is reflected off a satilite or bent by some wierd induced atmospheric phenomenan. the nexus sends a huge pulse of electricity through the plasma, which conducts very, very well. I'm guessing this energy pulse is somewhere in the range of a TerraWatt.

end result, people being turned into Hydrogen and Oxygen gas and some bits of dust.

something like that goes for the balls to. they seem to just be a ball of plasma with a controling energy storage device in the center that maintains the ball and discharged some of its energy into targets on impact.

 

[605Scorpion]

Seems interesting and very plausible, though I would be hesitant to include Minerva in it. I would only theorize off of official Valve snuff.:farmer:

 

[UltimaApocalypse]

I like this theory. But when you say

so when I saw a person disolve into dust my mind saw what could be happening.

Do you have some sort of video?

 

[Eejit]

Plasma by itself would be rather deadly, why would they bother to use it as a conductor?

Also the supression device can destroy chunks of buildings too. Building materials are typically made up of less than 90% water.

 

[Que-Ever]

Wait, wait wait... no!

I just figured it out! holy crap! ok, so nobody can reproduce on earth. Right?

and there are these energy "balls" that are everywhere in combine shit, right?

"balls"?

BALLS!

the combine must've taken all the huevos of every man in the world and use them to power stuff. ah? ah?

 

[Eejit]

Huevos? That means eggs. You're thinking cojones.

 

[Que-Ever]

I heard huevos works, too I've been had!

 

[M_Gargantua]

Do you have some sort of video?

go play the game and shoot someone with the pulse rifles secondary, or load up the part with the suppression device and lead your sqaud to a place where they will be hit.

if you watch you'll see them glow, then disolve into black flakes, which further break down into fine dust particles.

Plasma by itself would be rather deadly, why would they bother to use it as a conductor?

Also the supression device can destroy chunks of buildings too. Building materials are typically made up of less than 90% water.

a terrajoule of energy will do that in electric form, in kinetic form it would level a building. And plasma is an excelent conductor, low resistance. so it would be easy to transfer a large ammount from ground to upper atmosphere back to the ground with little loss. and the combine clearly have the technological capibility to control plasma.

 

[the_rebel_medic]

Plasma by itself would be rather deadly, why would they bother to use it as a conductor?

Well, on that note, it should be told that Plasma is used in the human immune system, so it can't be that deadly, it also hardens only when a force is applied in a greater quantatie in an opposite direction to it (like plasma = O and human finger = () )O --> <--- () ) yea) so, colliding with the human body, on the condition it doesn't fight back means it wouldn't do a whole lot.

Also the supression device can destroy chunks of buildings too. Building materials are typically made up of less than 90% water.

Lets say for arguments sake that I'm wrong with this theory. Concrete is quite a poor conductor. Being that plasma is actually an OK conductor, in relation to concrete an excellent conductor, theoroticaly (spelling!!) a large electrical charge could destroy a building, but it would need to be thoroughly coated to.

 

[bbson john]

The pulse might be lazer, or at least it is electromagnetic wave. As the former person said, the lazer reflected by satilite or ionosphere. The high energy can vaporize a person immediately as well as destroying constructions. Maybe the extremely strong radiation causes internal atomic fission or even particles fusion in some cases.

However, I've never seen such a dramatic vaporization. I suggest that the pulse is dark energy, or combine energy, as these energies have never been utilized or they even do not exist in the reality. A nonexistent phenomenon can only be discribled by a nonexistent theory, right?

 

[Eejit]

Blood plasma in the immune system is not the same as the plasma physicists talk about.

In fact, they're completely unrelated.

The plasma he's talking about is "an electrically-conductive collection of charged particles that responds collectively to electromagnetic forces." Which usually requires extremely high temperatures.
'Cold' plasma wouldn't work for the suppression device either... you'd have to keep this ionised gas together as you shoot it through the atmosphere over long distances.
Plus doesn't the suppression device fire it in an arching trajectory? That just wouldn't make sense if it was firing plasma.

 

[Remus]

The pulse might be lazer, or at least it is electromagnetic wave. As the former person said, the lazer reflected by satilite or ionosphere. The high energy can vaporize a person immediately as well as destroying constructions. Maybe the extremely strong radiation causes internal atomic fission or even particles fusion in some cases.

However, I've never seen such a dramatic vaporization. I suggest that the pulse is dark energy, or combine energy, as these energies have never been utilized or they even do not exist in the reality. A nonexistent phenomenon can only be discribled by a nonexistent theory, right?

I sincerely doubt that the result of the suppression device is atomic fission/fusion in the victim's body. Have you got any idea of the amount of energy that would be released if suddenly an entire human body or building for that matter would go in to fission( think 100000 x Hiroshima) . So no I don't think that's the case.

As for the dark energy ... well I don't know if that exists even in scientist's theories but I do know dark matter believed by many scientists to exist. I'm surprised how so many people including game developers confuse dark matter with anti matter or black holes
(ex: q4's dark matter gun).

So I guess you're right, it's much easier to use nonexistent phenomena described by a
nonexistent theory in a game, then to use real life phenomena like plasma for instance that actually has to obey the laws of physics.

 

[bbson john]

I sincerely doubt that the result of the suppression device is atomic fission/fusion in the victim's body. Have you got any idea of the amount of energy that would be released if suddenly an entire human body or building for that matter would go in to fission( think 100000 x Hiroshima) . So no I don't think that's the case.
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Let's see. We assume that a full-grown male is of 50 kg in mass. By E=MC^2:
Energy released = (50)(299,792,458)^2
Around 4,450,000,000,000,000,000 J released within 3 seconds
lol

 

[Remus]

Let's see. We assume that a full-grown male is of 50 kg in mass. By E=MC^2:

Energy released = (50)(299,792,458)^2
Around 4,450,000,000,000,000,000 J released within 3 seconds
lol

I didn't do the calculations, but this just proves my point if you would desintegrate an enemy through fission you wouldn't be around to see anithing( that goes for the surounding city 17 too, lol)

 

[Sulkdodds]

I immediately thought controlled antimatter myself, but that probably doesn't make sense.

 

[ríomhaire]

What they turn into most certainly dosn't seem like dust to me. My crazy theory:
They get converted into dark energy, or maybe even SCALAR WAVES!

 

[Eejit]

My theory: it's unexplainable by modern science.

The combine have a Dark Energy Reactor. WTF? Why should we be able to explain the rest of their technology?

 

[imagod284]

Also, humans aren't really 90% water, not even close. A baby may be pushing high 80's but that's definately not true for adults. For example, an average 50 year old female is only about 45% water, half of 90.

 

[bbson john]

We finally have some meaningful scientific conversations. I love this threat.

 

[ríomhaire]

The Combine use them to power generators and such. They also seem to be incorporated in the Dark Fusion Reactor. They are digging into the ground, why? Unless they have nanotech dirt hardly makes good synths. What do we know about Dark Fusion? Absolutly nothing! I think that they can use any material and convert it into Dark Energy/Dark Matter which is what the power cores do.

 

[Flyingdebris]

We don't need to get all techno sciency. Valve has crossbows that shoot rebar hundreds of feet, grenade launchers that fire projectiles larger than the barrel, and double blasting pump actions. The suppression device doesn't NEED to make sense.

All that we really need to know is that it and the plasma orbs slam assloads of energy into their targets. Enough to vaporize organic tissue and cause a weird anti gravity effect.

As for dumping energy into concrete irl not doing anything. Are you crazy? If you were to go and Pump a large amount of heat energy instantaneously into a concrete wall or a cement driveway, you'd have a very destroyed wall or driveway. Cement and concrete have trace amounts of water and air trapped inside through its mass. Super heat that water and air all at once and the concrete will tear itself apart violently.

 

[Eejit]

Easier said than done. And I'd say "a large amount of heat energy" is a bit of an understatement. Perhaps "immense"?

 

[bbson john]

grenade launchers that fire projectiles larger than the barrel

What's it? I don't understand!

and double blasting pump actions.

This also take explain as well.

p.s. We are talking about the general physics. Specific in-game physical bugs do not worth dicussing since our computers and softwares have their own limits.

 

[Sulkdodds]

The grenade launch on the SMG Machine Gun take bullet bigger than its actual tube. SPAS-12 Shotgun also shoot two at twice which im possible.

 

[ríomhaire]

The SMG grenades also spin even though bullet-shaped. The pistol can shoot 18 bullets at once. The magnum has an invisible speed loader. The ar2 reloading animation you do isn't anything like the soldiers do (neither of ye take out the clip when you reload it). The SMG and crossbow first and third person models don't match.

 

[bbson john]

The SMG grenades also spin even though bullet-shaped. The pistol can shoot 18 bullets at once. The magnum has an invisible speed loader. The ar2 reloading animation you do isn't anything like the soldiers do (neither of ye take out the clip when you reload it). The SMG and crossbow first and third person models don't match.

That goes a little bit complicated. You should agree that this is only the problem of animation, not physics.
About the pistol, maybe its barrel is capable of shooting a few bullets in the same time, plus it shoots multi-bullets rapidly like a SMG. So it looks like shooting 18 bullets out together.

 

[M_Gargantua]

yes yes, wierd weapon's indead.

but for those of you still argueing about how it happens.
read my first post again on how I came to my conclusion. again I mention water atomization. it doesn't really expain the antigrav effect but It completly covers why they disolve.

 

[Roman Legion]

"The body is made of almost 90% water. the rest is just carbon and some trace elements. think of what would happen if you suddenly removed all that water. a 200 pound person would carbon dust. That led me to the conclusion that the beam was able to conduct electricity."

I think 70 to 75% water.

 

[M_Gargantua]

well, 75% then.

but look at it. if you dump that amount of electricity into a body the water will turn to H2 and O2, which will try to escape. it will instead burn due to the high tempratures the energy creates in the body. this will ignite most of the rest of the body. and within a second you have a massless body on fire and being converted to carbon and gas.

 

[imagod284]

well, 75% then.

but look at it. if you dump that amount of electricity into a body the water will turn to H2 and O2, which will try to escape. it will instead burn due to the high tempratures the energy creates in the body. this will ignite most of the rest of the body. and within a second you have a massless body on fire and being converted to carbon and gas.

But it doesn't really seem like that's what's happening. It's not some firey, explosive event; it's a very orderly process, rise-up turn bright, and disappear. And there is no fire or carbon dust left behind.

 

[ríomhaire]

yeah, it just doesn't look like they're turning into dust.

 

[bbson john]

There will be A LOT OF dust if that really happened

 

[M_Gargantua]

but look at them, they glow and flake off. that is the water turing to gas and vaporising as well as flamible stuff being flashfried in the body. some of the H2 and O2 buring as well. and the black stuff is just the carbon residue floating away. look at a cremated person.

 

[Eejit]

If it was dust why would it form those flakes?

 

[M_Gargantua]

Watch it, they kind of break up. its looks like the dust that the skin turns into trys to stay together for a minute then just falls apart and gets blown away

 

[wolven_rage]

My theory is that the combine go house to house and hit guys in the crotch with pipes as was illustrated in a comic once but i cant find it right this moment, if someone could post that link im sure it would clean up alot of questions :cheese:

 

[99.vikram]

My theory is that the combine go house to house and hit guys in the crotch with pipes as was illustrated in a comic once but i cant find it right this moment, if someone could post that link im sure it would clean up alot of questions :cheese:

Thats the suppression field you're talking about. And this doesn't qualify as a field, unless the Metrocops are having a field day.

 

[M_Gargantua]

for the suppression field I would tend to belive CP's with man-hack batons would work better then a simple whacking

 

[Remus]

the suppression device shoots balls of doestexistenium that instantly desintegrates humans but strangely doesnt' larger foes:O , oh yeah and only shoots in pre determined spots(strider lol cannon) .

 

[99.vikram]

the suppression device shoots balls of doestexistenium that instantly desintegrates humans but strangely doesnt' larger foes:O , oh yeah and only shoots in pre determined spots(strider lol cannon) .

I gotta get me some doesntexistenium