The Combine Empire vs Skynet

[z0mbin3]

I just finished watching Terminator: Sara conner. And now I'm thinking who would win? The Combine or Skynet. And no bringing up the fact the Combine are in several demensions. There not going to order there entire force to one demension just to take out a bunch of robots.

 

[yakuruto]

They're not going to order their entire force to one dimension just to take out a bunch of robots.

Why not?

Regardless that I think this A vs. B discussions are pointless, by actively cutting a huge part of one side's forces you're making a tendentious scenario.

 

[Narvi]

God, learn to spell. Or grammar. Or something.

Anyway, I give it to the Combine, because Skynet seems to have depleted its nuke reserves in the future, and it would need something like that to take down a Citadel, considering the effectiveness of even the single isolated autogun in the outlands. Mind you, Skynet has a very nicely balanced force on its hands, so it would put up an excellent fight while fighting the Overwatch in the field.

 

[Ennui]

The Combine defeated all of humanity in SIX HOURS. The reason the human revolution in HL2 is having some success is because they've destroyed the portal so no Combine reinforcements could come. I imagine the invasion force is quite different.

Combine would win over Skynet, no question.

 

[Kdizzle]

Skynet= Epic Failsauce

 

[Sneaki]

Skynet= Epic Failsauce

Mmmm, failsauce...

But yeah, Combine>Skynet easily ..

 

[Que-Ever]

Combine, especially with

Spoiler

their new mecha-gordon warrior on their side.

off topic- who is this sneaki guy? I like him. He's cool.

 

[Saturos]

This is a tough one. The Combine did conquer the entire human race in just seven hours, but that was only because the humans opened the portal for them. For the Combine to send more reinforcements, they would have to rely on Earth-bound technology, which would involve computers. If it was vs. the already stationed overwatch, then all Skynet would have to do is to take over their computers which they are so heavily reliant on as well as every Earth-stationed Citadel's power source. Unless of course the Combine decides to sacrifice a Citadel to re-open the portal, in which case Skynet would be screwed. Some of you might be saying that Skynet would not be able to interface with the Combine's computers due to the nature of the technology employed, in which case this would not be true at all since all Skynet needs to interface with the Combine's alien-like computer technology is the digital machine language. (1's and 0's.) The Skynet AI's mastery of all things computer would probably also make it near invincible to any kind of virus as well. The only way the Combine overwatch could stand a chance without sacrificing Citadels is if they developed massive EMP nukes and wipe all things electronic from existence.

If it was during Skynet's rule when another resonace cascade occurs, then Skynet wouldn't stand a chance in that scenario either. If Skynet already occupies Earth though, the resonace cascade would never happen in the first place since Skynet would be in command over all power distribution and network activities, effectively making any Earth-bound induced resonace cascade scenario impossible without lots and lots of power. So, in theory, the Combine's extra-dimensional role is actually a disadvantage.

Oh, and the Slug Advisor's psychic abilities would be null on Skynet and it's army of machines, since they are in fact just machines after all. It really is a tough decision, but I voted Skynet just to be an outcast.

 

[Narvi]

This is a tough one. The Combine did conquer the entire human race in just seven hours, but that was only because the humans opened the portal for them. For the Combine to send more reinforcements, they would have to rely on Earth-bound technology, which would involve computers. If it was vs. the already stationed overwatch, then all Skynet would have to do is to take over their computers which they are so heavily reliant on as well as every Earth-stationed Citadel's power source. Unless of course the Combine decides to sacrifice a Citadel to re-open the portal, in which case Skynet would be screwed. Some of you might be saying that Skynet would not be able to interface with the Combine's computers due to the nature of the technology employed, in which case this would not be true at all since all Skynet needs to interface with the Combine's alien-like computer technology is the digital machine language. (1's and 0's.) The Skynet AI's mastery of all things computer would probably also make it near invincible to any kind of virus as well. The only way the Combine overwatch could stand a chance without sacrificing Citadels is if they developed massive EMP nukes and wipe all things electronic from existence.

Saturos, you have no idea what you're talking about. 1's and 0's aren't some kind of elementary particles, which behave under some ideal universal rules, it's just on-off. Hell, you have no idea if they even use binary. They could use quantum computers, or some funky transdimensional-based computing system. It's a total non sequitor to go "lol skynet supercomputer magic AI powers".

If it was during Skynet's rule when another resonace cascade occurs, then Skynet wouldn't stand a chance in that scenario either. If Skynet already occupies Earth though, the resonace cascade would never happen in the first place since Skynet would be in command over all power distribution and network activities, effectively making any Earth-bound induced resonace cascade scenario impossible without lots and lots of power. So, in theory, the Combine's extra-dimensional role is actually a disadvantage.

Oh, and the Slug Advisor's psychic abilities would be null on Skynet and it's army of machines, since they are in fact just machines after all. It really is a tough decision, but I voted Skynet just to be an outcast.

Anybody who votes for Skynet is crazy. The little of what we see of Skynet's military shows a well-balanced force on par with the Overwatch, but unless you severely nerf the Combine, they'll still have a Citadel which is nearly impervious to conventional assault, with external defenses which have to be at least on par with the autogun you find in the outlands, and also serves as C&C and support center all on its own.

Hell, Skynet doesn't even have any nuke reserves if you look at the movies, otherwise it would just tac nuke Tech Com offensives and be done with it instead of using the industrial base it has to spit out HKs.

Oh, and the Slug Advisor isn't a front line soldier at all.

 

[Asknoone]

The Combine, there's really no question here.

 

[Saruke]

skynet can't even kill one man! Sheesh Skynet's a big wuss.

Yeah I said it! C'mon Arnold, let's dance!

 

[Narvi]

The Combine seem to have a harder time killing Gordon Freeman. And that's with their entire future army. Skynet was limited to one hunter-killer.

I hate arguments like that. It's like that annoying stormtrooper "refutation": LOL STORMTROOPERS CAN'T HIT THINGS THEY SUCK.

 

[Druckles]

I refuse to even vote in this poll, it's an absolute travesty. It's as bad as "Mastercheif vs Freeman lol" threads

/me facepalms

 

[yakuruto]

Oh man, this stuff reminds me of a very sad/disturbing/weird poll I saw once on TV about who would win if Doraemon and Son-Goku fought each other...

 

[Omnomnick]

Combine Empire...

Skynet wouldnt come close...

End of thread

 

[z0mbin3]

Hunter Killer vs Gunship. Skynet tank vs Strider. Gordon Freeman vs John Connor.

btw screw you grammar cop.

 

[z0mbin3]

Hunter Killer vs Gunship. Skynet tank vs Strider. Gordon Freeman vs John Connor. Alyx vs Cameron Phillips....in bed. :naughty:

btw screw you grammar cop.

*edit* srry for the double post.

 

[Druckles]

Edit: Shit.

 

[Sneaki]

off topic- who is this sneaki guy? I like him. He's cool.

Yay I'm liked! But yeah, I've only recently started posting on these forums consistently as I joined last year and only posted once or twice.

 

[Eejit]

How about The Combine vs The Culture?

 

[FrostXian]

A) Combine blows Earth up.
B) Combine assaults Earth with massive EMPS, ending Sky-Net.
C) Combine blows only the surface of the Earth.
D) Combine loads billions and billions of never before seen troops (which they probably used in the 7 hour war) on Earth. These guys use SEUDRLGDSOGs, and end Sky-Net. (Super Extreme Ultra Dimensional Rocket Launchery Gravity Distabilizing Ownage Gun).
E) They put up citadels and fight fairly, which takes effort, but they win anyway.

 

[Kdizzle]

Mmmm, failsauce...

But yeah, Combine>Skynet easily ..

everyone loves failsauce!

 

[Eejit]

F)All of the above fail. The Combine use their last resort ultimate elite troops. The Biozemina-

OSHI-!

 

[Saturos]

Saturos, you have no idea what you're talking about. 1's and 0's aren't some kind of elementary particles, which behave under some ideal universal rules, it's just on-off. Hell, you have no idea if they even use binary. They could use quantum computers, or some funky transdimensional-based computing system. It's a total non sequitor to go "lol skynet supercomputer magic AI powers".

1's are electrical charges, 0's aren't. Duh. Their computers are likely not like that of human technology, but saying, "Oh, they probably use some sort of super-advanced, trans-dimensional, non-digital crap we can't understand, so let's just do nothing" is a silly notion too. It's better to assume the simplest theory first that Earthlings already understand in such a situation and Skynet would probably do just that.

New theories = time and resources to prove.

 

[DoctorPhyrexia]

Didn't the combine mothership release a giant EMP? =P

 

[Blackout62]

Oceania would win

but being serious, definitely the combine.

 

[Saturos]

Didn't the combine mothership release a giant EMP? =P

I never even seen the Combine mothership, and I've played all titles in the series (except for opposing force). :/

 

[pistolero!]

Skynet can send Terminators back in time to change the future, so Skynet wins.

They also have lazerz and liquid metal robotz!

 

[DoctorPhyrexia]

I never even seen the Combine mothership, and I've played all titles in the series (except for opposing force). :/

It occured during the Seven Hour War, I'm pretty sure. Thats why all the clocks stopped. Or so I've read.

Edit: On second thought, thats a ridiculous theory. Exuse me.

 

[Headcrab Pie]

The Combine seem to have a harder time killing Gordon Freeman. And that's with their entire future army. Skynet was limited to one hunter-killer.

I hate arguments like that. It's like that annoying stormtrooper "refutation": LOL STORMTROOPERS CAN'T HIT THINGS THEY SUCK.

A good point, but remember, the one "Hunter-Killer" was much more advanced than the human weapons. Gordon has the exact same weapons the Combine do. (SMG, pulse rifle, nades) Also, The Skynet bot had to fight somthing that was almost it's equal.

 

[Andrew LB]

It occured during the Seven Hour War, I'm pretty sure. Thats why all the clocks stopped. Or so I've read.

Edit: On second thought, thats a ridiculous theory. Exuse me.

It's not a ridiculous theory at all. All the clocks in the game did indeed come to a stop at the exact same time, which is more than enough evidence that the Comibine set off an EMP that caused all electronics to stop.

 

[Narvi]

1's are electrical charges, 0's aren't. Duh. Their computers are likely not like that of human technology, but saying, "Oh, they probably use some sort of super-advanced, trans-dimensional, non-digital crap we can't understand, so let's just do nothing" is a silly notion too. It's better to assume the simplest theory first that Earthlings already understand in such a situation and Skynet would probably do just that.

New theories = time and resources to prove.

I think you just raped Occam's Razor in its ear.

That's rather like saying that somebody well versed in Windows could subvert Mac OS X easily, dude. Just because Skynet is a supercomputer does not mean that it has some end-all and be-all understanding of computing. It'd be easier for it to just blow Combine computers up then to try and understand how they work at a base level.

It's not a ridiculous theory at all. All the clocks in the game did indeed come to a stop at the exact same time, which is more than enough evidence that the Comibine set off an EMP that caused all electronics to stop.

Eh, if they could use some magic EMP that could do enough work to stop all the clocks, they'd have had to repair all the infrastructure that relied on electronics as well, since most of the clocks in game aren't digital. Let's just go with the vague answer of "magic that stops clocks but leaves electric transformers and cables intact."

A good point, but remember, the one "Hunter-Killer" was much more advanced than the human weapons. Gordon has the exact same weapons the Combine do. (SMG, pulse rifle, nades) Also, The Skynet bot had to fight somthing that was almost it's equal.

Gordon Freeman has an HEV suit. He's essentially the Terminator in this case.

 

[Headcrab Pie]

Gordon Freeman has an HEV suit. He's essentially the Terminator in this case.

Strider Pulse Cannon Vs. Hev Suit = Crispy Gordon

Termminator Vs. Nade luancher = No damage, magic liquid metel

 

[yakuruto]

That's rather like saying that somebody well versed in Windows could subvert Mac OS X easily, dude.

ID4, when not only a human pilot understand and master an alien fighter ship's flying controls but also a human engineer infects the whole alien battlenet with a virus using, IIRC, a Mac notebook.

You see guys, every fictional universe has custom made features, conditions and scenarios for the story's development. If you try to put two fictional universes together and keep each universe's characteristics they will be incompatible and, being fictional and open to speculations and guesses, will cause a never end discussion that will hardly ever have a satisfactory conclusion.

 

[DoctorWeeTodd]

It's not a ridiculous theory at all. All the clocks in the game did indeed come to a stop at the exact same time, which is more than enough evidence that the Comibine set off an EMP that caused all electronics to stop.

Maybe that's because the clocks are just textures and they were copying and pasting.

BTW: I do actually believe they used EMPs. With their unlimited arsenal why wouldn't they against a technology dependent species?

 

[Saturos]

Maybe that's because the clocks are just textures and they were copying and pasting.

BTW: I do actually believe they used EMPs. With their unlimited arsenal why wouldn't they against a technology dependent species?

EMP weapons would be the ultimate weapon of choice even against humans armies of today. Just one EMP nuke would disable practically everthing while still leaving it all in one piece. Which would be far more efficient than just obliterating everything with an A-bomb.

I'd imagine the Combine used EMP mass destruction weapons against the humans during the seven hour war to disarm them completely, thus it is likely this is how the Combine was able to enslave so many humans at once. Similar human civilization crushing method to the War of The Worlds aliens actually. :O

Without technology and the consideration of any kind of EMP shielding to combat these sort of weapons, human armies would be sitting ducks no question. Skynet on the other hand probably has most of it's machines equipped with some kind of EMP shielding, making EMP weapons less effective.

 

[DoctorWeeTodd]

I often wonder why the military forces of today don't use them so often.

 

[Saturos]

I often wonder why the military forces of today don't use them so often.

Cuz they're fools. That, and the only things that wouldn't be affected by EMPs are rifles and pistols, which would still be more than a concern for human armies, but wouldn't matter much to an invading alien horde.

I guess they believe that destroying the enemies electrical infrastructure would cause more trouble than it's worth, but whatever.

TBH, technology in war is stupid in the first place without EMP shielding. We might as well still be using swords, shields, horses, and arrows if you ask me.

Seriously though, as of today, EMP WMDs would be the perfect weapon against human armies regardless of nationale. It would show just how dependent on technology our society really is.

EMP weapons is an inexcusable oversight if you ask me. If humans lose out to aliens because of EMP weapons, they deserve it for being stupid.

If I was a researcher for a defense contracter, I'd give serious consideration to the development of EMP shielding technology so we'd be prepared for such as attack. Be it from human terrorists, a sophisticated AI program gone awry, or an extra-terrestrial empire.

 

[Narvi]

ID4, when not only a human pilot understand and master an alien fighter ship's flying controls but also a human engineer infects the whole alien battlenet with a virus using, IIRC, a Mac notebook.

You see guys, every fictional universe has custom made features, conditions and scenarios for the story's development. If you try to put two fictional universes together and keep each universe's characteristics they will be incompatible and, being fictional and open to speculations and guesses, will cause a never end discussion that will hardly ever have a satisfactory conclusion.

I figured we all agreed that both sides are as shown and are not completely retarded. It's not like we're talking about the Care Bears vs the Combine anyway. The universes involved here aren't completely retarded.

Strider Pulse Cannon Vs. Hev Suit = Crispy Gordon

Termminator Vs. Nade luancher = No damage, magic liquid metel

Which ended up killing it, I might add. Anyway, it was pretty obvious I was talking about the T-800. :upstare:

I often wonder why the military forces of today don't use them so often.

Ignore Saturos, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Most military hardware is hardened against EMP, that's why. Besides, specialized EMP weapons are still under research; you'd need high-altitude nuclear airbursts to get one easily now.

 

[MattyDienhoff]

I often wonder why the military forces of today don't use them so often.

Probably because they're still highly experimental weapons.

"Electromagnetic weapons are still mostly classified and research surrounding them is highly secret. Military speculators and experts generally think that E-bombs use explosively pumped flux compression generator technology as their power source.

According to some reports, the U.S. Navy used experimental E-bombs during the 1991 Gulf War. These bombs utilized warheads that converted the energy of conventional explosives into a pulse of radio energy.[1] CBS News also reported that the U.S. dropped an E-bomb on Iraqi TV during the 2003 invasion of Iraq, but this has not been confirmed." -Wikipedia

Cuz they're fools. That, and the only things that wouldn't be affected by EMPs are rifles and pistols, which wouldn't matter much to an invading alien horde anyways.

I won't pretend to be particularly knowledgable on the subject, but you seem to envision EMP weapons as some kind of magic wave of energy that brings absolutely everything to a standstill. EMP's effect on electronics varies. Some things are very vulnerable, others aren't particularly so. Range is also a factor.

What I'm trying to say is, EMP weapons are of variable effectiveness, they're not a "knock absolutely everything but small arms out in one sweep" weapon like you seem to think they are. And they wouldn't be a particularly safe weapon to use in most warfare situations anyway, because they'd affect any friendly forces within range as well.

That said, I think it's quite likely the Combine used EMP weapons of some sort during their invasion. Considering they're more technologically advanced than humanity in a number of ways, it's not much of a stretch to think that the Combine have such weapons fully developed even as we're only just experimenting with them.

Also, after the Portal Storms started humanity condensed into cities for protection, that would have also made it easier for the Combine. Even so, they probably would have had to use a lot of the devices to achieve widespread effectiveness.