Alyxgun Discussion

[sfc_hoot]

Ok, as we all know, Alyx had that very cool automatic pistol during HL2, which I wish Gordon got to use. You can get it if you do give weapon_alyxgun in the console, but the model is oversized, facing sideways and completely screwed. So in other words, a firstperson model doesn't exist, and the game uses a rediculously oversized thirdperson-view model.

Now, does the alyxgun have a real-life counterpart? At first I thought it was a MAC-10, then a Steyr TMP, but when I had a look at it in the model viewer I realized it was neither of those. Also, would you consider the Alyxgun a pistol or an SMG? To my undstanding, SMGs are usually automatic rifles that fire pistol ammunition, yet the Alyxgun looks just like a pistol, so which is it? It also has two fire modes (if you, Gordon, use it. Switch modes with the secondary fire) - that kind of leanes more on the SMG side. So would it be considered a Pistol-SMG?

 

[Asknoone]

Strangley enough, i'm not sure it does.

 

[short recoil]

Its not any real gun as far as i know, and i know a lot about guns, the nearest thing is comes too is a cross between a beretta 93r and a usp with a LAM unit, no gun is real in hl2.....the "spas-12" is actually quite different if you compare it to a real one and the "mp7" is greatly different.

 

[kmack]

I do not think anything like this actually exists, but there are a few similar weapons, and the in game piece seems to be a conglomerate of such weapons. I believe it is comprised of real life Machine Pistols and folding stock weapons. Machine Pistols are simply pistols that are both semi-automatic, and fully automatic, making it perform as either a pistol of a sub-machine gun. The idea of folding stocks is used in many modern weapons including the AK47. It seems that the in-game gun uses the machine pistol forumla (you can alternate between fully automatic sub-machine gun mode, and semi-automatic pistol mode) but only allows the fully auto-matic version with an extended stock, to lend itself to increased accuracy with the full fire rate of an automatic. On paper it is an excellent idea, but for a real life weapon to be small and light enough to encompass a folding stock into a pistol sized weapon requires materials not yet created. It is an imaginary gun, but its basis is entirely fact, and perhaps it will soon be implemented in the real world.

 

[Dalamari]

It looks like a glock 18 with a colt .45 grip and a extended clip with a wierd rail on the top for a scope or something to put.

 

[beam]

bah, it's robocops gun :imu:

 

[Blakeb155]

What ever sort of gun it is, I wish Gordon could get it in SP and they had a proper first person model.

 

[sfc_hoot]

no gun is real in hl2.....

Are you sure?

HL1:
-Mp5 SD with the m203 (this is impossible, right - that's why Gearbox changed it to an M4A1 with the HD pack).
-Franchi SPAS-12.
-Glock 17 (or Beratta 92 with the HD pack).
-Colt Python .357 Magnum.

Op4:
-M249 SAW.
-M40a1 sniper rifle.
-Desert Eagle.

HL2:
-H&K USP Match 9mm.
-H&K MP7 (again, Valve decided to do the impossible by adding an M203 to an SMG).
-Franchi SPAS-12.
-Colt Python Elite .357 Magnum.
-Winchester rifle that Grigori uses (not sure of the model).

As you can see there are a lot of real guns in the HL story, even though some might sport minor changes.

Now, while I'm on the topic of realism, I may as well get this out of my system. Here are some things that I thought were pretty insane realism-wise:

· SMGs with m203s.
· Gordon never cocks his weapons, insdead he just loads the magazine and begins shooting.
· Some guns have unrealistically large magazines (e.g. 50 rounds for the mp5 in HL1).
· The grenade launcher on the Mp7 is utter crap. It's not even an m203 - and by the looks of it it would have the same calibre as the primary barrel. Now how the hell can you force a grenade through that?
· The physics of the grenade launcher, in both games is a little unreal. The grenades have a high trajectory, and gently tumble and spin towards the ground. That's not how an m203 works, unless I'm horribly mistaken. An m203 launches the grenade at a high speed, in a usually straight line, right?
· Gordon can continually launch grenades from his SMGs. How is this possible? It's not like he has a portable mini-MK-13. He should have to load each individual grenade into the launcher.
· What's with the SPAS-12 "double-barrel" feature? Can that be done in real-life?

To sum everything up, Valve didn't do a 100% job when it came to weapon-realism, but the only thing that really matters is the gameplay - which Valve did a good job at. Still, if you're into guns, then minor things like this can bother you here or there.

What ever sort of gun it is, I wish Gordon could get it in SP and they had a proper first person model.

Maybe it's unique to Alyx - made by Eli or Kleiner, or even Alyx herself. Yeah, nonetheless, it would be cool. We'll probably get to use it in that Alyx/Dog expansion that we've been hearing about.

 

[BrimStone04]

I believe its very similar to the gun that morpheus uses in the matrix reloaded to take down the twins SUV, and during the making of that they actually hired on a gun collector or something like that cuz its an extremely rare gun and very difficult to use so he had to teach lawrence fishburne how to use it.

 

[Joe]

Morpheus used a Glock 18 with an extended 31rd magazine in the Matrix. The gun alyx has is not similiar at all really......

Hoot-

There ARE MP5's with M203s mounted on them in existance. I believe indonesian nations use them. www.hkpro.com has some pictures in their forum.

The SPAS-12 has no "double blast" feature in real life.

 

[Pesmerga]

I never even noticed that gun. I should go back and play it again.

Besides, everyone knows that the Gauss Cannon is secretly being developed by the US military.

 

[Pai-Mei]

bah, it's robocops gun

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking.

EDIT: Can't get this link working. I've never encountered a website with link-proof urls, but this one changes everytime I post it. What gives?

 

[TheAmazingRando]

Your link is broken on my end. Don't know if anyone else has the same problem.

 

[sfc_hoot]

There ARE MP5's with M203s mounted on them in existance.

There are? I've looked into it, and it turns out you're right, and I've just found an interesting website: http://www.dentrinity.com/ClarenceLai/eod.htm .

By the looks of it, to get an m203 onto the Mp5 would require a fair bit of custom modification. The mp5 in HL1 is clearly an original, unmodified mp5, with an m203 stuck on it. It's unreal. If it was to have an m203, then it would have to be a modified version, which it clearly isn't. Bottom line: mp5 + m203 = very uncommon.

But the whole reason as to why Valve chose the mp5 to be used in HL1 confuses me. I think the US army chooses m4s over mp5s. Plus, if you were to send an army into an alien-infested research facility, I think you'd do better arming your soldiers with assault rifles, rather than SMGs. I think SMGs like the mp5 would be used by the air force, rather than infantry soldiers and officers.

If I were to send troops into an alien-infested facility, I would arm them with carbines (like the m4 + m203), and possibly machine guns such as the m249 and the m60. Of course, I would also send in troops to deliver more powerful weapons like the M2hb, or miniguns for example, along with air support and artillary, and without saying, humvees and Abrams M1s.

 

[VirusType2]

I never even noticed that gun. I should go back and play it again.

Besides, everyone knows that the Gauss Cannon is secretly being developed by the US military.

lol

"everyone knows..." "...secretly"

 

[Danimal]

I remember seeing an Airsoft pistol that looked bery similar to Alyx's gun... I remember it had the word 'Raider' on the end of the name :|

 

[DEATH eVADER]

http://www.hkpro.com/socom.htm

The Socom Pistol is similar, if you take away the silencer thingy, have it silver coated, and have an extruding clip and include the laser sight

 

[Apocalypse89]

Yeah, it reminds me of a Socom but with a Glock's burst/automatic fire.

Maybe it's a custom weapon? Seeing how she's probably high-ranking among the Resistance...

 

[someone402]

Just wondering, can you shoot the Alyxgun or whatever it is called?

 

[sfc_hoot]

Just wondering, can you shoot the Alyxgun or whatever it is called?

Yeah, I even gave the instructions on how to get it in the first post.

 

[MarcoPollo]

its effective 2 but its wierd modeling so i played with the console a little and i got it to a relatively realistic position

 

[Glo-Boy]

I would call it a machine pistol.

 

[Lord_Raven]

how do u get it to into a good position using the console?

 

[Joe]

Huh? Care to write that so it makes sense?

 

[WacK]

Ever played the specialists?.. there's a glock that looks a lot like it..

 

[motosycho]

Her gun has no parralel in the real world. In the SDK code you can see that it transforms into 3 variants; a pistol, rifle and smg.

 

[f0rked]

Also, if you open that model in the modelviewer, you can see all the animations for it changing into the three weapons (pistol > smg >rifle). It looks pretty sweet.