CAIR Hates Bacon

[Nemesis6]

CAIR SEEKS FBI PROBE OF "HATE CRIME" AT TN MOSQUE

Political, religious leaders asked to repudiate growing Islamophobia

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 4/10/07) " A prominent national Islamic civil rights and advocacy group today called on the FBI to investigated what Tennessee law enforcement authorities are calling a "hate crime" targeting a mosque in that state.

The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR said worshipers at the Islamic Center of Clarksville found a defaced copy of the Quran, Islam's revealed text, on the front steps of the mosque just before communal prayers (Jummah) on Friday. Two strips of bacon, which is prohibited for Muslims to eat, were smeared in the Quran. Local police are investigating the incident as a hate crime.

"We once again urge local, state and national political and religious leaders to repudiate the growing level of anti-Muslim rhetoric in our society that can lead to such troubling incidents," said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad.

Here's the article to which they freak -

http://www.theleafchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070410/NEWS01/704100343

It would be so nice to have a massive "Bacon-to-CAIR" campaign. Then we would all be Islamophobes because CAIR equals Islam! Wait, does anyone else find something wrong with that assumption...? :rolling:

 

[gick]

What's your point?

 

[Nemesis6]

That CAIR sucks!

And now that I think of it, the funny thing is the fine irony in this: Groups like CAIR are to blame for these kinds of actions. They don't care if it makes the mosque-goers angry, they care because someone did something that is contrary to the teachings of the Shari'a.

 

[Gunner]

You're such an idiot Nemesis, I wish you'd just stop posting and go away. You have no understanding of geopolitics, you're ignorant and a narrow minded tool.

 

[CptStern]

That CAIR sucks!

I'll have to remember that the next time the Jewish anti-defamation league complains about people spray painting swastikas on synagogues


btw Gunner, why are replying to numbnuts when you should be watching this?

 

[JNightshade]

I AM AN IGNORANT TOOL.

I think I got the gyst of it

 

[Nemesis6]

You're such an idiot Nemesis, I wish you'd just stop posting and go away. You have no understanding of geopolitics, you're ignorant and a narrow minded tool.

No, but I have understanding of Islamist front groups, something which you apparently don't. So that leaves us here: I'm an idiot(although I don't see why... Is it because you don't like bacon?) and you an ignoramus(for not knowing who CAIR are)/apologist(for defending them). In other words, you just made an ass of yourself. And so did the me-too 1 and 2. Hurling insults with no real argument is a nice way to show just where the burden of proof lies.

 

[gick]

That CAIR sucks!

And now that I think of it, the funny thing is the fine irony in this: Groups like CAIR are to blame for these kinds of actions. They don't care if it makes the mosque-goers angry, they care because someone did something that is contrary to the teachings of the Shari'a.

I dont see them doing anything stupid, I see them getting worked up about obvious victimisation and harassment. Would the Anti-Defamation League be idiots for kicking up a fuss if someone defaed a copy of the the Torah outside a Synagogue?

 

[Nemesis6]

There's the problem right there: The ADL and CAIR are not the same. CAIR themselves have tried to draw that parallel. I don't really know the ADL, but I know they have hissy fits sometimes too. A google search on them is surprisingly revealing. Just search for CAIR. Ignore the unrelated results and look a little into the essays on their practices and history. The best way I can describe them is to illustrate one of their recent actions: They sued a website called "Anti-Cair" and then lied about them and the author having reached a "settlement". If we go deeper than that, we can see the obvious flaws in the inherent structure of the group - as of 2006, 6 of the groups former officials have been arrested on terror charges. That's not surprising since the group was actually just a fundraiser for Hamas when it starter, before it took on a different guise. Another interesting thing that happened recently: They tried to shut down the "Secular Islam" summit. I'd use the "'nuff said" thing, but you know... Bah.

 

[Flyingdebris]

push Quran, receive bacon

 

[gick]

There's the problem right there: The ADL and CAIR are not the same. CAIR themselves have tried to draw that parallel. I don't really know the ADL, but I know they have hissy fits sometimes too. A google search on them is surprisingly revealing. Just search for CAIR. Ignore the unrelated results and look a little into the essays on their practices and history. The best way I can describe them is to illustrate one of their recent actions: They sued a website called "Anti-Cair" and then lied about them and the author having reached a "settlement". If we go deeper than that, we can see the obvious flaws in the inherent structure of the group - as of 2006, 6 of the groups former officials have been arrested on terror charges. That's not surprising since the group was actually just a fundraiser for Hamas when it starter, before it took on a different guise. Another interesting thing that happened recently: They tried to shut down the "Secular Islam" summit. I'd use the "'nuff said" thing, but you know... Bah.

Ok, fine. Why didnt you start a thread about that stuff then? All you've done here is post an example of them getting (rightfully) upset about something, and then gone off on one about some totally unrelated incidents.

 

[CptStern]

There's the problem right there: The ADL and CAIR are not the same. CAIR themselves have tried to draw that parallel. I don't really know the ADL, but I know they have hissy fits sometimes too. A google search on them is surprisingly revealing. Just search for CAIR. Ignore the unrelated results and look a little into the essays on their practices and history. The best way I can describe them is to illustrate one of their recent actions: They sued a website called "Anti-Cair" and then lied about them and the author having reached a "settlement". If we go deeper than that, we can see the obvious flaws in the inherent structure of the group - as of 2006, 6 of the groups former officials have been arrested on terror charges. That's not surprising since the group was actually just a fundraiser for Hamas when it starter, before it took on a different guise. Another interesting thing that happened recently: They tried to shut down the "Secular Islam" summit. I'd use the "'nuff said" thing, but you know... Bah.

i just dont get you ..you claim you're not american, you claim you're not jewish yet you attack Cair, an american muslim special interest group and defend israel at every opportunity, justified or otherwise ...I just fail to see why you're so obsessed with a group that has absolutely nothing to do with you either directly or indirectly in any way ..you claim to be european yet cant seem to shut up about some insignificant special interest group in the US that has little to no influence in their own country let alone outside it's borders ..yet that's all you ever talk about ....did a member of Ciar run over your puppy or something?

 

[Nemesis6]

The reason I'm "obsessed" with CAIR is because they're probably the biggest pro-terror organization on American soil, they're kind of hard to miss. They're relevant to me because we have another version of these guys operating in Denmark; Hizb-Ut-Tahrir and more notably, Islamisk Trossamfund(Islamic Society in Denmark) headed by someone who's even more radical than Nihad Awad, the spokesperson for CAIR. You've gotta be quite a wackjob to beat him. And the interesting thing is, the more mainstream the name, the less they seem to own up to their name.

 

[CptStern]

The reason I'm "obsessed" with CAIR is because they're probably the biggest pro-terror organization on American soil, they're kind of hard to miss.

lies:

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1364
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0609-02.htm
http://archive.salon.com/news/col/cona/2001/02/27/pardons/index.html
http://www.infowars.net/articles/april2007/060407Anti-Iranian.htm


but I guess that's just another series of facts you'll conviently ignore

They're relevant to me because we have another version of these guys operating in Denmark; Hizb-Ut-Tahrir and more notably, Islamisk Trossamfund(Islamic Society in Denmark) headed by someone who's even more radical than Nihad Awad, the spokesperson for CAIR.

yet this is the first time you've ever mentioned them

 

[Nemesis6]

This is NOT the first time I've mentioned CAIR here. You and a couple me-toos went into apologist-mode the last time I posted about them, too. Also, where are you going with those articles? Implying that the CIA is the greatest terrorist organization? That's just dumb and I think you know it.

 

[CptStern]

This is NOT the first time I've mentioned CAIR here.

? really? that's all you ever seem to talk about ..no I meant Islamisk Trossamfund which you say is more radical yet never seem to talk about ..you'd think they would affect you more than cair would

You and a couple me-toos went into apologist-mode the last time I posted about them, too.

excuse me? apologist mode? I recall I called into question your sources I never once gave any opinion about cair ..that in itself is not being apologetic nor supportive

Also, where are you going with those articles? Implying that the CIA is the greatest terrorist organization? That's just dumb and I think you know it.

well thanks for wasting my time as you obviously didnt read them ...you said:

Cair .. they're probably the biggest pro-terror organization on American soil

and I said they are not the the largest supporter of terrorist organizations in america:

"We've sent a message that is understood throughout the world: if you harbor a terrorist, if you support a terrorist, if you feed a terrorist, you're just as guilty as the terrorists" - George W Bush, August 26, 2003

..unless you can prove they directly funded/aided/harboured terrorism/terrorists in the same way the bush dynasty and the US government has now and in the past

 

[Solaris]

CAIR raped my dog and left it for dead.

 

[Nemesis6]

Dogs are not halal, which brings me on to my next point: CAIR don't like dogs, either -

A controversial national Islamic civil liberties organization has revived its Minnesota chapter after a series of highly publicized incidents involving Muslim taxi drivers, store clerks and airline passengers.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), which has 32 chapters in the United States and Canada, will open a St. Paul office this weekend, leaders said Thursday. CAIR Minnesota’s resurrection, months in the making, comes as the state’s Muslim community is being scrutinized as never before.

This week, six imams (prayer leaders) who were removed from a US Airways flight in Minneapolis in November sued the airline and the Metropolitan Airports Commission (MAC). They claim they were removed because of their race and religion.

In addition, some Muslim taxi drivers who refuse to ferry alcohol and dogs are awaiting a ruling on the issue from the MAC. And some Muslim store clerks have refused to scan pork products.

The incidents have triggered widespread anger against Muslims, despite pleas for tolerance.

http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1058473.html

 

[Sulkdodds]

Oh no! Religious rights group gets worked up over genuine hate-vandalism!

Sorry, last time I checked, weren't you in favour of religious freedom?

Shit, there's little I can find objectionable at all in these articles, beyond the endorsement of religion - which, while a genuinely unpleasant thing, is not likely to go away - and is not something unique to CAIR. And maybe their lawsuits are silly and counterproductive, but they're certainly within their rights.

So what's your beef? If you have a genuine grievance against the organisation - as you claim - then post a thread on that. Links, quotes, argument, analysis...you know, that sort of thing. Don't waste time with this rubbish. It serves no purpose except making you look like an unproductive crazy man!

 

[Ennui]

So what's your beef?

punished!

No, but really Nemesis, what the hell is wrong with sticking up for your religion when it's the target of a hate-fueled action like that? That's like shitting in a Bible and leaving it on the steps of a church.

 

[Nemesis6]

To be honest, I don't really care if bibles are desecrated. It's like during the "cartoon crisis" where the Iranians started that Holocaust denial conferance in Tehran. What they failed to see was this: We didn't give a shit about their childish plot for 'revenge'.

Even though I don't care, it doesn't mean that I don't think it's insensitive. We don't care when they urinate and defacate on the bible, etc. But when we do something to the Koran, it's not regular Muslims who are up in arms... It's CAIR. It's the same way in most religions: Do something stupid like burning their Bible, and there will only really be a small outspoken number of extremists calling for your death, etc. In Islam's case, among many, one will find CAIR. Though modus operandi is a bit different; Legal harassment through lawsuits is theirs. And they're doing something that's just as dangerous now as they did when just just supported Hamas financially; They silence critics through any political means neccesary.

 

[repiV]

Nemesis,

For your own good, on this occassion I'm going to have to tell you that you don't have a point and by continuing to argue the case you are only digging your own grave....
Yes, there are many instances where Muslims and Islamic organisations do things that are batshit insane or objectionable, and there is something very wrong with CAIR.
However, this is most definitely not one of those occassions. Let it go, ok?

 

[Nemesis6]

I never said there was anything wrong with their reaction to this. I said there was something wrong with CAIR. The headline's just a headline. As I'm pretty sure I implied: The problem is more the fact that CAIR are the ones who are reporting and covering this. It's pretty much like hiring the KKK to watch out for the rights of white people. In fact, that's a perfect example. And as I also said, the issue I have with these episodes of bigotry isn't that they happen, it's that whenever they do happen, CAIR or other extremist groups capitalize on it, and that's ****ed up. I mean let's face it, CAIR couldn't care less that this happened, they're glad it did because that makes them just one tiny bit more legitimate because they're the ones got to it first. Because of people like the CAIR, racism is not a horrible thing anymore, it's a tool.