Canadian oppostion parties band together to bring down the government

[dream431ca]

Basically what this means is that in Febuary 2006 there will be an election. Everyone is pissed off at the current party in power, because they gave hundreads of millions of tax payers dollars to private companies in Quebec..this is known as the sponsership scandel...but that's just a small part of the story.

LINK:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/11/09/layton-election051109.html

Question for the American People:

I realize that the majority of the people in the US are pissed of at Bush and his administration. When our government does something stupid, we can bring it down and force an election. What can the American people do to force an election??...or can they force an election if the majority of the people are pissed?

 

[OCybrManO]

We can write strongly worded letters... then sigh angrily when we receive a form letter in response. We can also take polls. Is that not enough?

 

[dream431ca]

We can write strongly worded letters... then sigh angrily when we receive a form letter in response. We can also take polls. Is that not enough?

Well...in order to bring down the government here in Canada, the oppositon has to vote what is called a "Non-Confidence vote", which mainly says that they are not happy for what the government is doing. The only way they can win that vote, is if all the opposition parties ban together to basically vote out the government. An election is called and then we vote.

 

[CptStern]

kinda pissed off that Jack Layton of the ndp is giving out no confidence votes in the coming weeks ..what is he thinking? it's not like the ndp will win, and they only have a slight chance of being the minority, which would be a step down from where they are now. I'm afraid Layton played right into the conservatives hands and just handed them the prime ministers office. Then again, people have no faith in the conservatives either but who knows, perhaps the religious right and Harper will band together and preach the evilness of same sex marriage and push otherwise normal canadians into doing the idiotic: voting for the conservatives

 

[falconwind]

the conservatives are a bunch of republican wanna-be's in my opinion. certainly more left than the real thing, but still too far right in some respects.
the thought of Stephen Harper being the Prime Minister fills me with dread...

also i think that after the election is held, the NDP will have to team up with the Liberals if they want to oppose the Bloc Quebecois and the Conservatives, so really they're shooting themselves down in the long run...

 

[Glo-Boy]

Well the constitution's purpose is to protect the american people from the government. If the government violates it, which it has many times in the past few years, it is the duty of the people to stage a coup, it just won't happen though.

 

[falconwind]

Well the constitution's purpose is to protect the american people from the government. If the government violates it, which it has many times in the past few years, it is the duty of the people to stage a coup, it just won't happen though.

Ummmm.... I think you're a wee bit confused. :|

This is about CANADIAN politics, not American, plus it's not even a constitutional issue at all. Nor is it a coup, it's a vote of non-confidence.


Methinks you posted on the wrong thread... :rolling:

 

[JFry]

Ummmm.... I think you're a wee bit confused. :|

This is about CANADIAN politics, not American, plus it's not even a constitutional issue at all. Nor is it a coup, it's a vote of non-confidence.


Methinks you posted on the wrong thread... :rolling:

Finish reading the first post dude.

 

[The Mullinator]

kinda pissed off that Jack Layton of the ndp is giving out no confidence votes in the coming weeks ..what is he thinking? it's not like the ndp will win, and they only have a slight chance of being the minority, which would be a step down from where they are now. I'm afraid Layton played right into the conservatives hands and just handed them the prime ministers office. Then again, people have no faith in the conservatives either but who knows, perhaps the religious right and Harper will band together and preach the evilness of same sex marriage and push otherwise normal canadians into doing the idiotic: voting for the conservatives

QFT. I feel the exact same way. I would like Jack to win over the Liberals but this is just a very bad decision on his part considering what his chances are. He is basically giving the Conservatives a new chance at gaining power rather than doing anything for his own party.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Basically what this means is that in Febuary 2006 there will be an election. Everyone is pissed off at the current party in power, because they gave hundreads of millions of tax payers dollars to private companies in Quebec..this is known as the sponsership scandel...but that's just a small part of the story.

LINK:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/11/09/layton-election051109.html

Question for the American People:

I realize that the majority of the people in the US are pissed of at Bush and his administration. When our government does something stupid, we can bring it down and force an election. What can the American people do to force an election??...or can they force an election if the majority of the people are pissed?

It depends on the reasons for being pissed and the views most definately here. I'm a conservative and a national Republican, and I'm displeased with Bush's performance as of yet- but good God I would definately vote him in over a liberal Democrat.

Depends on the level of administration for foricng an election. Depending on the state's constitution elections can be forced for the executive branch (see: California and Gray Davis's ousting)

On a national level, it's not present. We have elections for Congress much more frequently than President (every 4 years.) The next big Congressional election is 2006, and the next Presidential in 2008. Forcing an election is a dangerous idea, and I'm glad it doesn't work that way here, else it'd just be constant campaigning and constant reelections. The Nazis also abused the concept in Germany to force their party into power.

edit: Congress can impeach the President too with enough votes, but it doesn't force an election, it puts the Vice President in his place.

 

[bliink]

In Australia, in 1975, the senate (which was hostile to the elected government.. eg populated by a different party) tried to force a takeover by refusing to sign the supply bill, which was the bill to authorise the governments use of money.

The idea was that the prime minister would have to call a re-election, losing his office.
He refused to do this however, and the Queen's representative (the governor general) stepped in, fired the prime minister and disolved the Australian government.

It was probably the most significant political event in our history. A "constitutional crisis" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_constitutional_crisis_of_1975

 

[15357]

Another question: What can the goverment do to stop people from bringing down the goverment?

Battle Police? Armed forces?

 

[CptStern]

I'm a conservative and a national Republican, and I'm displeased with Bush's performance as of yet- but good God I would definately vote him in over a liberal Democrat.

how can you sit there and say that? after all the lies, after the deaths of 10's of thousands of innocent people at the hands of bush you'd thrown that to the wind for the sake of partisan policitics? who the **** cares who it is? they cant possibly be as bad as bush; he completely destroyed a nation and you couldnt care less ...it's sentiments like yours that led to the deaths of 2000 americans.

 

[WaterMelon34]

Everyone will go "LIBERALS SUCK!! LIBERALS SUCK!!" "How about now?" *shows new Angus Burger from Burger King* "Ooohh, vote Liberals!"...happens everytime.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

kinda pissed off that Jack Layton of the ndp is giving out no confidence votes in the coming weeks ..what is he thinking? it's not like the ndp will win, and they only have a slight chance of being the minority, which would be a step down from where they are now. I'm afraid Layton played right into the conservatives hands and just handed them the prime ministers office. Then again, people have no faith in the conservatives either but who knows, perhaps the religious right and Harper will band together and preach the evilness of same sex marriage and push otherwise normal canadians into doing the idiotic: voting for the conservatives

the scary thing is, this time around Canadians may be over looking the "new world order" agendas the PC party always seems to push for.
am i mad about the sponsership scandal? absolutely!!! :angry: :flame:
does that mean im willing to vote for the PC so they can push some of the stuff i have cringed at over the past few years? HELL NO!

i think Canadians (generally speaking) need to think this through with a cooler head and not just vote with the sponsership scandal in mind.
the best thing for Canada and its people is to elect a minority NDP government.
that might sound strange/far fetched but i think it gets the message across to the Liberals and also tells the PC to take their "new world order" ideas elsewhere.

i hope Canadians vote smartly.
i can live with an NDP minority...i can deal with Liberals lieing...however i cringe the most with PC leaders pushing stuff like private health care down our throats.

 

[Top Secret]

Well hopefully, someone brave enough is able to walk into the country's HQ and start changing politics.

 

[The Monkey]

I thought Canada was a two-party state.

 

[dream431ca]

I thought Canada was a two-party state.

Nah..that's the USA. We have 4 major parties here in Canada...Liberals, Conservatives, NDP (New Democratic Party), Bloc (Seperatist party).

 

[Dr. Freeman]

so a question to all Canadians here: as of right now, how will u be voting? is it purely about the sponsership scandal for u?

 

[The Mullinator]

Yes I will be voting, mostly because it will be the first time I actually am legally allowed vote.

Sponsorship scandal or not I will be voting Liberals I think.

 

[The Monkey]

Nah..that's the USA. We have 4 major parties here in Canada...Liberals, Conservatives, NDP (New Democratic Party), Bloc (Seperatist party).

That's funny, a canadian chick I talked to said Canada only had two major parties, just like the US.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

The conservatives and liberals are the big ones, but the NDP still gets a signifigant amout of votes. Last election, I think it was 10 or 20%?

 

[Dr. Freeman]

The conservatives and liberals are the big ones, but the NDP still gets a signifigant amout of votes. Last election, I think it was 10 or 20%?

i think it was 28%
and dammnit, answer my question

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I'll vote NDP, since they're the lesser of three evils.

I had decided that before the sponsorship nonsense though. There are just too many scandals in general from the Liberal team.
As for the conservatives? Ha ha, shit no.

 

[pvtbones]

could someone give me a brief run down of what the NDP is all about?

 

[diluted]

Since Chretien left politics, there's no one worth voting for. I loved that crazy french bastard.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

could someone give me a brief run down of what the NDP is all about?

generally speaking, NDP are for better healthcare (against privatization), better education system, and improve the non-existent social services/programs and they also want to implement new ideas to help the environment.

all in all, these are things Canadians do need to be worried about considering the bad shape they are getting to be in under Liberal power and PC influence.

i too will be voting NDP this time around, just like i did last time...whatever happens, lets all hope its a minority government because the truth is, it keeps all parties in-check.

 

[chimpmunk]

Well, the liberals are corrupted and manipulative, the conservatives have backward values and the NDP allied itself with the liberals at some point...

My vote will go to the BLOC.

 

[Solaris]

What do they do?

 

[chimpmunk]

Protect Québec's interests.

 

[pvtbones]

Protect Québec's interests.

while not giving a rats ass about the rest of canada.

 

[chimpmunk]

while not giving a rats ass about the rest of canada.

Well, the BLOC supported the legalization of gay marriages, they DO play their role in Federal politics.

With politics like the C20 law and the supreme court trying to weaken the 101 law even more, Québec truly needs a strong voice at Ottawa to protect itself from what is nothing more than trying to destroy Québec's distinct nature in the name of "Canadian Unity".
If there was no need for it, why would the BLOC get 53% of the votes in Québec?

Also, remember that (with the exception of federalist Québecers) Québecers will not vote for a party who intends on doing anything it takes to keep Québec in the confederation.

Now, also remember the bad image Liberals have in Québec (sponsorship program...) and that Québec's values are too progressive to vote for the conservative party.
It's easy to understand why Québec has its own Federal party.

On a last note, having a couple of seats at the Ottawa parliament will surely help get Ottawa to recognize Québec as a sovereign nation after a winning referendum.

 

[dream431ca]

Well, the BLOC supported the legalization of gay marriages, they DO play their role in Federal politics.

With politics like the C20 law and the supreme court trying to weaken the 101 law even more, Québec truly needs a strong voice at Ottawa to protect itself from what is nothing more than trying to destroy Québec's distinct nature in the name of "Canadian Unity".
If there was no need for it, why would the BLOC get 53% of the votes in Québec?

Also, remember that (with the exception of federalist Québecers) Québecers will not vote for a party who intends on doing anything it takes to keep Québec in the confederation.

Now, also remember the bad image Liberals have in Québec (sponsorship program...) and that Québec's values are too progressive to vote for the conservative party.
It's easy to understand why Québec has its own Federal party.

On a last note, having a couple of seats at the Ottawa parliament will surely help get Ottawa to recognize Québec as a sovereign nation after a winning referendum.

It's all trudeau's fault that quebec is like this. Just watched a documentary on the CBC about Brian mulroney, and it explained that trudeau was responsible for making quebec like it is today.