Episode 1 question

[MJ12]

okay, i am sure this has been asked tons of times, but whateva.

So, how was the citidel explosion reversed?

 

[Narvi]

They fiddled around with the core? I'm not sure what you want to know.

 

[leib10]

They restored the containment field to the core (the 3 things you had to turn back on), but it only delayed it rather than prevented it.

 

[Shift]

Yeah basically at the start of EP1, when you get into the core's chamber, and have to escalate it and flick the switches on the way? That, as leib10 said, turns the containment field on, giving Gordon, Alyx and the rest more time to escape the city. But it doesn't stop it indefinately.

 

[MJ12]

Yeah basically at the start of EP1, when you get into the core's chamber, and have to escalate it and flick the switches on the way? That, as leib10 said, turns the containment field on, giving Gordon, Alyx and the rest more time to escape the city. But it doesn't stop it indefinately.

well what I meant was, like at the end of HL2 the citidel explodes? does it not?

but then g- man freezes time.

So how the heck would the vortiguants be able to reverse the mass explosion of the citidel?

maybe what i dont understand is the time gap between HL2 and HL2 ep 1

 

[Rapstah]

The Citadel doesn't explode in the end of HL2, only the top including the universal teleporter does.

 

[Asknoone]

Gman didn't 'freeze time'.

The teleport explosion only destroyed the top of the Citadel and created the tear in space. The explosion was not reversed in any way.

 

[MJ12]

Gman didn't 'freeze time'.

The teleport explosion only destroyed the top of the Citadel and created the tear in space. The explosion was not reversed in any way.

okay, i understand now, thanks. But what do you mean he didn't freeze time? alyx and the explosion froze?

 

[ríomhaire]

okay, i understand now, thanks. But what do you mean he didn't freeze time? alyx and the explosion froze?

 

[Asknoone]

<3 Rimfire.

 

[MJ12]

he did WHAT now?!?

Is there a thread explaining what the G-Man "can do" and "cannot do" and why, because last time I checked, when someone pauses all surrounding space and mater, that might be a clue that they are freezing time

 

[Narvi]

he did WHAT now?!?

Is there a thread explaining what the G-Man "can do" and "cannot do" and why, because last time I checked, when someone pauses all surrounding space and mater, that might be a clue that they are freezing time

Not really. He's essentially been a deus ex machina all this time. Everything he can do can be explained by teleportation and vivid hallucinations.

 

[MJ12]

Not really. He's essentially been a deus ex machina all this time. Everything he can do can be explained by teleportation and vivid hallucinations.

has this been confirmed by the head hancho nacho? (deus ex machina????)

 

[Planetary]

Deus ex machina is this ancient latin phrase, look it up. Love the pic, I'm saving it!

 

[MJ12]

I would look it up if I was interested in becoming a Latin scholar.

However, it seems on these threads most of us speak English. So rather than boast my way through by saying phrases in a dead language that I or most likely, most of us do not understand, I will instead just say them in my native tongue.

As should you.... Carpe Diem! -See, I am not impressing anyone, infact i probably spelled that wrong, it means seize the day. But I can say that in english, right?

 

[bbson john]

Gman has a good grip on teleport technology. He ma also be able to insert memory to a Person. The scenes Gordon saw behind Gman in the opening of Half-Life 2 may be some flash images made up in Gordon's brain while Gman trying to input knowledge of modern situation into Gordon's brain. The time-stop effect may be the temporary visual memory of Gordon when Gman suddenly transferred Gordon away from the exploding teleport chamber. Or it is simply the outcome of some quantum effect used in teleportation.

I would look it up if I was interested in becoming a Latin scholar.

However, it seems on these threads most of us speak English. So rather than boast my way through by saying phrases in a dead language that I or most likely, most of us do not understand, I will instead just say them in my native tongue.

As should you.... Carpe Diem! -See, I am not impressing anyone, infact i probably spelled that wrong, it means seize the day. But I can say that in english, right?

So don't use "p.s." when you are writing a letter to your friend. Don't use "de facto" in a Science article. Don't use "status quo" while describing what the US Government trying to hold between China and Taiwan. Don't use "i.e." and "viz" to replace "that is" and "namely" respectively.

And more importantly, don't use "radius" to describle half of a diametre. Don't use the words "message", "massage", "saboteur", "lens", "nucleus", etc... Yes, don't use the word "etc" since it is a friggin' short form of a latin phrase. Mannnnnnnn!

You don't have to be a scholar to use latin words. English, like most other languages, consists of a large amount of indigenous words and a minority, yet a lot of, foreign words. English, French, German and Latin belongs to the same language family, how can you expect that there is no exchange of words? Even now some Chinese words have shift to English, like "ping-pong" or ideas like "yin" and "yang". You just cannot completely isolate English from other languages.

"Deus ex machina" is a common phrase in English, as common as "R.S.V.P.", despite the fact that it comes from Latin. It is OKAY if you don't know the meaning of Deus ex machina, or R.S.V.P. Like some English words, e.g. xeroradiography, it is common that even British doesn't know what it means. You can look the words up in most modern English-English Dictionaries, but DON'T blame to it that the words are foreign languages. You are just being more ignorant by denying your ignorance.

 

[MJ12]

Gman has a good grip on teleport technology. He ma also be able to insert memory to a Person. The scenes Gordon saw behind Gman in the opening of Half-Life 2 may be some flash images made up in Gordon's brain while Gman trying to input knowledge of modern situation into Gordon's brain. The time-stop effect may be the temporary visual memory of Gordon when Gman suddenly transferred Gordon away from the exploding teleport chamber. Or it is simply the outcome of some quantum effect used in teleportation.




So don't use "p.s." when you are writing a letter to your friend. Don't use "de facto" in a Science article. Don't use "status quo" while describing what the US Government trying to hold between China and Taiwan. Don't use "i.e." and "viz" to replace "that is" and "namely" respectively.

And more importantly, don't use "radius" to describle half of a diametre. Don't use the words "message", "massage", "saboteur", "lens", "nucleus", etc... Yes, don't use the word "etc" since it is a friggin' short form of a latin phrase. Mannnnnnnn!

You don't have to be a scholar to use latin words. English, like most other languages, consists of a large amount of indigenous words and a minority, yet a lot of, foreign words. English, French, German and Latin belongs to the same language family, how can you expect that there is no exchange of words? Even now some Chinese words have shift to English, like "ping-pong" or ideas like "yin" and "yang". You just cannot completely isolate English from other languages.

"Deus ex machina" is a common phrase in English, as common as "R.S.V.P.", despite the fact that it comes from Latin. It is OKAY if you don't know the meaning of Deus ex machina, or R.S.V.P. Like some English words, e.g. xeroradiography, it is common that even British doesn't know what it means. You can look the words up in most modern English-English Dictionaries, but DON'T blame to it that the words are foreign languages. You are just being more ignorant by denying your ignorance.

haha, I am ignorant alright, otherwise I'd know what dues ex muchachos meant or whatever its called.

I know tons of Latin words are used in the English language. But I think it's rather annoying when people use foreign phrases that are not used nearly as often to sound intelligent.

"Deus ex machina" for example, I have never heard before. No one has ever been like "Duuude, your such a deus ex machina!"

Carpe Diem (sp?) is another example, you can just say "seize the day", you don't sound any smarter by saying it in a language you don't know.


As for things like I.E., A.D., radius, etc, -those are all commonly used in our language, everyday, most people are familiar with them.

However, I'd get some weird stares if I asked someone on the street what "deus ex machina" means, because it's likely they wont have a clue because it's not commonly used.
I mean, I might as well call someone ignorant for not knowing "Mein Katze ist Klien" in German means "My Cat is Small"



but anywayyysss back to the topic. His ability to make an "illusion" still wouldn't explain how the vortigaunts were able to "kiddnap" Alyx and Gordon. I would assume G-man left Alyx to die in the explosion, and if thats the case, then teleporting just gordon wouldn't leave alyx to be saved.... because she would be dead...

 

[Hazar]

the gman is actually the AI built into your hev suit and all sightings are actually projections of the AI onto your view.

 

[Narvi]

haha, I am ignorant alright, otherwise I'd know what dues ex muchachos meant or whatever its called.

I know tons of Latin words are used in the English language. But I think it's rather annoying when people use foreign phrases that are not used nearly as often to sound intelligent.

"Deus ex machina" for example, I have never heard before. No one has ever been like "Duuude, your such a deus ex machina!"

Carpe Diem (sp?) is another example, you can just say "seize the day", you don't sound any smarter by saying it in a language you don't know.


As for things like I.E., A.D., radius, etc, -those are all commonly used in our language, everyday, most people are familiar with them.

However, I'd get some weird stares if I asked someone on the street what "deus ex machina" means, because it's likely they wont have a clue because it's not commonly used.
I mean, I might as well call someone ignorant for not knowing "Mein Katze ist Klien" in German means "My Cat is Small"



but anywayyysss back to the topic. His ability to make an "illusion" still wouldn't explain how the vortigaunts were able to "kiddnap" Alyx and Gordon. I would assume G-man left Alyx to die in the explosion, and if thats the case, then teleporting just gordon wouldn't leave alyx to be saved.... because she would be dead...

Deus ex machina is a commonly used phrase describing a convenient plot development which happens to fix everything. Like... say... somebody discovering a magic rock which will destroy all the Combine. It's a commonly used literary term, not something used in common parlance.

 

[Aspe]

The G-Man does not freeze time. He transports Alyx and Gordon to his trans-dimentional crib or wherever he stores his unwilling subjects in the instant that the top of the Citadel explodes. The image of being atop the structure merely lingers; it's very much distant as far as locations are concerned. Evidently the image dissipates over time, for dramatic effect or simply because there's no point in keeping it around. The Vortigaunts find this place through whatever their means are, rescue Alyx and then go after Gordon. And you know the rest.

That's how I interpreted it, anyway.

And "deux ex machina" is indeed very much a common phrase, especially with regards video games, where roaming players need to be constrained (for whatever reasons). It isn't at all fanciful to presume that every video game nowadays has many.

 

[MJ12]

The G-Man does not freeze time. He transports Alyx and Gordon to his trans-dimentional crib or wherever he stores his unwilling subjects in the instant that the top of the Citadel explodes. The image of being atop the structure merely lingers; it's very much distant as far as locations are concerned. Evidently the image dissipates over time, for dramatic effect or simply because there's no point in keeping it around.
The Vortigaunts find this place through whatever their means are, rescue Alyx and then go after Gordon. And you know the rest.

That's how I interpreted it, anyway. It probably has faults, as I haven't put much thought into it.

And "deux ex machina" is indeed very much a common phrase, especially with regards video games, where roaming players need to be constrained. It isn't fanciful to presume that every video game nowadays has many.

okay, I understand now... but I still wonder if that is actually true.
I dont understand why he'd need Alyx.


Sorry I am not familiar with common game lingo.... A lot of people are not familiar with that phrase. And not to be cocky, but it's not because I have a poor vocabulary, I actually use a very good vocabulary when needed. Now I guess I know

 

[leib10]

I personally think the G-man has abnormal powers such as the ability to transport Gordon and the ability to stop time. His demeanor was far too calm and collected at the end of HL2, as if he knew exactly what he was doing and how to do it. You all may think differently, and that's cool, but I think he can do those things.

 

[Aspe]

okay, I understand now... but I still wonder if that is actually true.

Well as I said, it's just how I interpreted it. Could well be wrong, but it seemed logical enough.

I dont understand why he'd need Alyx.

She has also an apparent capacity for survival, so perhaps he's thinking of ensnaring her as a minion as well. Or as his gardener? Or his "bit on the side"? Your guess is as good as mine...

Sorry I am not familiar with common game lingo.... A lot of people are not familiar with that phrase. And not to be cocky, but it's not because I have a poor vocabulary, I actually use a very good vocabulary when needed. Now I guess I know

It can be applied to any other form of medium with a plot, really, as Narvi implied. But it's only a phrase, and I don't doubt your vocabulary. We weren't trying to make you look stupid or anything.

 

[MJ12]

It can be applied to any other form of medium with a plot, really, as Narvi implied. But it's only a phrase, and I don't doubt your vocabulary. We weren't trying to make you look stupid or anything.

*stops crying after 5 hours* really you mean it? hehe


Well, until I have absolute proof... meaning confirmation by a higher source, or creator of the game, I dont know what to think of G-Man

 

[leib10]

We're set to get a few more details about the G-man, and I say it's about time. We've gone on too long without knowing hardly anything about him and without being able to draw many conclusions from the cryptic statements he makes.

Keep a person on their toes regarding an important character for too long, and eventually they get disinterested.

 

[Aspe]

Indeed. The timing of Episode Two couldn't be better.

 

[Vass]

Right now would be better

 

[Asknoone]

There are far better ways to explain the encounter at the top of the Citadel. It could have easily been a kind of side-effect from the singularity collapse or, and this one has much more weight, Gman altered Gordon's perception of time. As soon as that explosion goes off Gordon is no longer on the top of the Citadel; instead, I'd wager he's somewhere in the space time continuum, and then he's outside of normal time and space, which as we know, is where Gman operates and stores Gordon.

There's simply no way Gman can 'stop time'. It's far too retarded and brings in a whole boat load of unnecessary plot holes that proceed to happily fart, dump and piss on the validity of the Half-life universe.

 

[Aspe]

As soon as that explosion goes off Gordon is no longer on the top of the Citadel; instead, I'd wager he's somewhere in the space time continuum, and then he's outside of normal time and space, which as we know, is where Gman operates and stores Gordon.

I think you're right. I was kind of along the same lines, although you put it better than I.

There's simply no way Gman can 'stop time'. It's far too retarded and brings in a whole boat load of unnecessary plot holes that proceed to happily fart, dump and piss on the validity of the Half-life universe.

Haha, brilliant.