Gina Cross and Colette Green

[Morpheus300]

Does anyone know what happened to Gina Cross and Colette Green??
Just a thought 'cos I was going to make HLecay on source engine

 

[Barnz]

Please don't.

 

[Morpheus300]

Ok, I won't just to make you happy!

 

[ríomhaire]

It's already been ported to PC. I think that's enough. There's absolutely no info on what became of them.

 

[Grodan Freechman]

Which aren't Canon out of bs, opposing force, decay...? I forget.

 

[TheOneFreeMan]

Which aren't Canon out of bs, opposing force, decay...? I forget.

None of them are canonical. Only Valve produced and released titles are canon*. That means Half Life, Half Life 2, Episodes One and Two, Lost Coast (debatably), and Portal. All the rest are expansion packs produced by third-party developers.

The exception to that rule is Uplink, which was an OEM version and so did not follow the official storyline.

 

[Barnz]

None of them are canonical. Only Valve produced and released titles are canon.

stop pulling stuff out of your butt

 

[TheOneFreeMan]

stop pulling stuff out of your butt

What did I pull out of my butt?

 

[Barnz]

look at what I quoted

 

[Absinthe]

I believe the rule of thumb regarding Gearbox's contributions is that they are canon until stated otherwise. Valve doesn't take them into account when developing the HL2 storyline, but there's nothing that outright contradicts them. And at least one event - the nuking of Black Mesa - was stated as being canon by Laidlaw.

 

[kupocake]

As has come up in the forum several times before, the Gina model can be found in one of the Xen areas accessible via the Displacer in Opposing Force. However, Opposing Force predates Decay by a couple of years, and there was no character called 'Gina Cross' at the time, just the training hologram / multiplayer model that was given the name of 'Gina'. Gearbox probably used the model for a bit of corpse variety and didn't intend the link to be made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mqD78qgls4

 

[TheOneFreeMan]

look at what I quoted

Still waiting for an explanation though.

The question was which titles are canon in the Half-Life storyline. The answer is that none of the ones stated are canon.

Care to offer some kind of a counter-argument, or ...?

I believe the rule of thumb regarding Gearbox's contributions is that they are canon until stated otherwise. Valve doesn't take them into account when developing the HL2 storyline, but there's nothing that outright contradicts them.

That is true, but isn't it also true that by that rule, anything can be considered as canon? If a fanfic isn't taken into account by Valve when developing the HL2 storyline but there's nothing in the fanfic that outright contradicts the storyline ... do we consider that fanfic canonical?

I believe the rule is that something has to be in a Valve produced game for it to be strictly canon. Anything else is just fancy speculation.

 

[Absinthe]

That is true, but isn't it also true that by that rule, anything can be considered as canon? If a fanfic isn't taken into account by Valve when developing the HL2 storyline but there's nothing in the fanfic that outright contradicts the storyline ... do we consider that fanfic canonical?

I believe the rule is that something has to be in a Valve produced game for it to be strictly canon. Anything else is just fancy speculation.

The difference between fanfic and the Gearbox expansions is that OpFor and BS received Valve's seal of approval for release, and Valve has clearly incorporated elements of those games into the HL2 universe (ie. Nuking Black Mesa, Barney's last name). For all intents and purposes, we can say that the events in the expansions took place, but that they are irrelevant to the conflict with the Combine. The same currently holds true for Portal. Outside of a namedrop in Episode 2, they have no effect on each other, yet it can still be considered canon.

You are right that a lot of this is speculation, mostly thanks to Laidlaw's refusal to make a concrete statement on it. If you want strict canon then you can only rely on Valve's titles. But they've kept their doors open on the Gearbox content, and so long as they're still kicking around the idea of bringing back Adrian Shephard at some point, it might have more weight than you think.

 

[Morpheus300]

Oh, when I said about thinking of making HL: Decay on Source engine, I didn't mean Porting it to source engine but actually building it from the ground up on the source engine, like Black Mesa source.

 

[PimpinPenguin]

Oh, when I said about thinking of making HL: Decay on Source engine, I didn't mean Porting it to source engine but actually building it from the ground up on the source engine, like Black Mesa source.

That would be great. Although i hope you got a good team to help you otherwise you don't stand a chance.

 

[Morpheus300]

Well, I'd have the whole of Coleg Powys helping me, especially for voices and programming

 

[TheOneFreeMan]

The difference between fanfic and the Gearbox expansions is that OpFor and BS received Valve's seal of approval for release, and Valve has clearly incorporated elements of those games into the HL2 universe (ie. Nuking Black Mesa, Barney's last name). For all intents and purposes, we can say that the events in the expansions took place, but that they are irrelevant to the conflict with the Combine. The same currently holds true for Portal. Outside of a namedrop in Episode 2, they have no effect on each other, yet it can still be considered canon.

Very true. The titles themselves can't be considered canon, but certain events have been picked up and incorporated into the canon by the Valve team.

It would probably be more accurate to say that the titles themselves can't be considered canon, but they do depict certain events which could be. Nobody can be convinced that Race X is actually canon, for instance ... but the nuking of Black Mesa can be. We can probably go on with this for hours.

 

[Barnz]

how about you shut up about canon shit, this isn't a star trek forum

 

[TheOneFreeMan]

how about you shut up about canon shit, this isn't a star trek forum

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