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Will you need a HDR compatible graphics card to have this new lighting technology featured in Aftermath/Lost Coast?

Which graphic cards support it? I'm running a 9600XT.

Thanks...
 
From what I know, it's not something that needs to be supported. Rather it's an option that can bring your PC to it's knees.
On a 9600xt, it should run, but I wouldn't be going for a resolution about 800x600.
Lost Coast should be a good indicator.
 
The Lost Coast has mega hardware requirements, so there's no chance it will run on a 9600XT (even if it does, it won't be a pleasant experience anyway).
Aftermath is an official expansion and will not have significantly higher hardware requirements, so if you ran HL2 fine, you should also run Aftermath just fine, though expansions usually have slightly higher requirements.
HDR in Aftermath is an option.
 
Isn't it down to the shader technology that is needed for some of the effects? In which case it depends on whether the 9600XT supports these technologies (and I can't remember whether it does).

From what I have read it seems that while HDR is going to be a big hiton resources, the high requirements are down to the fact that most of the graphicshave been bumped up (so the textuires are all higher resolution, the models have more poly's).

But as has been said, Aftermath should run, so long as HDR is turned off.
 
I think Radeon 9600XT has support for Pixel Shaders 2.0b, the same as the Radeon X800 series. So technicaly, it's capable of rendering the stuff in The Lost Coast.
 
To do HDR you need Shader 2.0b+. 2.0b is like 3.0 but no OpenEX HDR(or something like that).

Im not sure with 9600XT has.

But the Lost Coast wont run on that since massive polygon counts and things, but depending on if its 2.0 or less it may not be able to do HDR.

2.0b on Aftermath I believe runs at a "lower quality" HDR, while 3.0 runs at a higher quality.
 
Thanks for that, I ran HL2 on medium, my PC does suprisingly well with games. I shall see when the time comes.

Thanks. :)
 
It depends what implementation of HDR aftermath is using. Your 9600XT won't have 2.0b support, rather shader model 2.0 only - so any HDR technology using 2.0b will be out of bounds. No-one knows for sure yet.

Aftermath with the HDR off should run roughly the same as HL2- from what I've seen the textures and polycounts look similar. However, the combination of cutting edge technologies used in LC, excluding HDR, will mean you won't get good framerates.
 
Terranboy said:
Lost Cost on a 9600XT...no chance.
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Let me guess, you own either a 7800/6800/x800 and can't bear to run anything less than 1024x720 with full details and max AA and AF?
Most of us with lower cards can cope with turning down settings.
Take the recent Starship Troopers demo for example.
3.0ghz CPU, 1Gb RAM, GeForce 6800 or Radeon X800 [1024x768 with shadows], DirectX 9.0c, 600mb free hard drive space, Windows XP ONLY, DirectX compatible PCI soundcard.
I ran the demo on 800x600 with full details (no shadows though) and it ran perfectly. Those look a lot like the recommended specs for Lost Coast. (2.4ghz, 1.5gb ram, 9600xt)
 
Is there somewhere a good summary of which ATI card supports which shaders version?
The ATI website isn't too informative (says 2.0 in R9600 and R9800 series, and says... HD in the X-series :/).
Thanks in advance.
 
hi_ted said:
Let me guess, you own either a 7800/6800/x800 and can't bear to run anything less than 1024x720 with full details and max AA and AF?
Most of us with lower cards can cope with turning down settings.
Take the recent Starship Troopers demo for example.
3.0ghz CPU, 1Gb RAM, GeForce 6800 or Radeon X800 [1024x768 with shadows], DirectX 9.0c, 600mb free hard drive space, Windows XP ONLY, DirectX compatible PCI soundcard.
I ran the demo on 800x600 with full details (no shadows though) and it ran perfectly. Those look a lot like the recommended specs for Lost Coast. (2.4ghz, 1.5gb ram, 9600xt)
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So what if I did own a X800XL?, I don't see what that has do to with it. Lost Cost would kill a 9600XT, its just a fact. I run plenty of stuff on medium or low (before the X800XL ofcourse). Shadows esp I can live without. I just don't see HDR doing above 1fps on Lost Cost with a 9600XT. Feel free to argue that if you want, but don't dare attack me personally because you want me to feel sorry for you. (and those specs you gave are from plain HL2, not Lost Cost)...

AMD Athlon64 3000+, NForce4, RadeonX800XL. Worked hard for it. Maybe you should try that too.
 
I'm just curious if my old GeForce FX 5200 can run hdr (the low quality one of course) in aftermath. Does anyone know cause that would be a pretty sweet bonus as I'm starting to really doubt my comp these days? I think it's time to do some serious working and saving for an upgrade.
 
I don't belive your GeForceFX 5200 will be able to runb HDR, sorry.

If, in the best possibilities, you manage to do it, you would be lost in the world only known as lag.

Upgrate to Nvidea 6 series and you should be fine.
 
No, the 5200 can't do HDR, at least AFAIK.

It can't even do DX9 well (I'm pretty sure HL2 forces DX8 mode for that card... Technically, the card can do DX9.... it's just not good at it)
 
Iced_Eagle said:
No, the 5200 can't do HDR, at least AFAIK.

It can't even do DX9 well (I'm pretty sure HL2 forces DX8 mode for that card... Technically, the card can do DX9.... it's just not good at it)
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Yes thats true. I was pissed when I noticed it was run in DX 8. I was like wtf on the box it says DX 9 compatible.
 
hi_ted said:
Let me guess, you own either a 7800/6800/x800 and can't bear to run anything less than 1024x720 with full details and max AA and AF?
Most of us with lower cards can cope with turning down settings.
Take the recent Starship Troopers demo for example.
3.0ghz CPU, 1Gb RAM, GeForce 6800 or Radeon X800 [1024x768 with shadows], DirectX 9.0c, 600mb free hard drive space, Windows XP ONLY, DirectX compatible PCI soundcard.
I ran the demo on 800x600 with full details (no shadows though) and it ran perfectly. Those look a lot like the recommended specs for Lost Coast. (2.4ghz, 1.5gb ram, 9600xt)
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I don't care if you don't mind playing with your settings turned down, you're not going to play LC.

VALVe has stated that the minimum requirements for LC are either an x800 or a 6800. That's MINIMUM req's.

And HDR will not be turn offable in LC. Stop going "OMFG YOU GUYS SUCK CAUSE YOU HAVE GOOD GFX CARDS BUT I RULE CAUSE I'LL JUST TURN HDR OFF AND STILL PLAY HAHA AND I DIDN'T SPEND AS MUCH CASH ASS YOU!".

And just because you did the ST demo well, and it has similiar req's doesn't mean that you'll do LC well. Have you seen LC's screenshots? You're systems not going to run it.
 
that ST demo looks horrible anyway, i just played it on top setitngs, no where near the graphics quality as LC will be, it was only cool cuz there was a ton of the creatures on the screen, but LC will require WAY more then i think ST will. i can run it, ill let HI_TED know how it looks.
 
Yeah a 6800 is min if you want to play HDR with all the features otherwise it will only be low quality mode for the other cards.
 
Yeah I think Valve is suggesting low quality even for the X800s because they only have SM2.0. Although if I remember right the X800 is like SM2.0+++ and is almost capable of the same instruction length as the 6800. So I think High will work fine on the X800
 
Well, aren't you fantastic.
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I sure am!!!!!
lol.
Im just bored and feel like correcting people. Nothing better to do.
 
I know people are going to want to kill me after i've asked this question as its been answered tons of times in this thread already, but will i be able to run it on my system (HDR that is), my specs are in my sig.
 
Yeah you should be able to.
Im guessing lower quality HDR(The exact HDR specs havn't been released though, but considering 2.0b vs 3.0...you don't exactly know).
 
Hmm, and X850XT I'm not sure if it will be able to handle it. But You can try.
 
Terranboy said:
Hmm, and X850XT I'm not sure if it will be able to handle it. But You can try.
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it will run fine what are talking about its faster than a 6800u
 
If people are going on about a 9600xt being able to handle it probably i dont see why my x850xt pe 256mb pci-e can't ....... if it does, will i still be able to play with a fairly decent fps of "x?" and will i notice the difference with it on and off if it is low qual ??
 
VALVe has stated that the minimum requirements for LC are either an x800 or a 6800. That's MINIMUM req's.
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Err... 6600 has 3.0 shader's and it's just fine with most anything, so why wouldn't it be able to run the Lost Coast? :)
 
....I was being sarcastic. Asking if it will run on a X850XT is a stupid question...jeeze...
 
Not really, its a discussion forum, and i was told that it might not be able to a long time ago here, so i asked again a few months later when there has been more information released about it, so techincally its a perfectly acceptable question, it's just people like you are slightly ignorant.
 
Polar_Bear said:
Err... 6600 has 3.0 shader's and it's just fine with most anything, so why wouldn't it be able to run the Lost Coast? :)
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That's like saying "look, the high end garden hoses have metal grommets on the end, so I can stick a nozzle on it eazier. My $3 hoze also has metal grommets, and so far it's been able to run nozzles just fine. That must mean that my $3 dollar hose will run all the water nozzles in 2007 fine!".
 
What sinkoman is saying, the 6600 may have 3.0, but it may not have the power for lost coast.
 
Minerel said:
What sinkoman is saying, the 6600 may have 3.0, but it may not have the power for lost coast.
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Precisely.

Maybe you'll be able to get the game to start up, but it'll PROBABLY be a slideshow mess.
 
Ok, so i now know i will be able to play with it on, but will i notice the difference if it is the low quality version and what fps am i likely to get or is it hard to tell at this stage ? If thats the case don't worry.
 
Sgt.Murray said:
Ok, so i now know i will be able to play with it on, but will i notice the difference if it is the low quality version and what fps am i likely to get or is it hard to tell at this stage ? If thats the case don't worry.
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I'd say maybe in the range of 60- fps. But that's just a guess.

And you probably won't know the diff, but there really is no way of telling at this stage, since we've never seen it in action.
 
sinkoman said:
And you probably won't know the diff, but there really is no way of telling at this stage, since we've never seen it in action.
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Exactly. Which is why most of us don't have any idea of how it will run on either the latest video cards or the lower-range ones.

It's not that I am attacking anyone here, I am just pointing out that it is an increasingly common occurance that owners of high quality video cards often forget that lower-range cards are still capable of many things. These people sometimes get so wrapped up in having the best hardware out there, that they only accept the best performance. So if their computer is having trouble running Lost Coast, they would be one of the first people to upgrade to the newest and greatest hardware.
I spent nearly 5 years running one computer with no upgrades. Even when I bought it, you could consider it as mid-range and 4 years later was when it finally started to be incapable of running the latest games. Most of the time, the answer to squeezing performance out of games was to lower the resolution down to 800x600 or 640x480 with low details.
 
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