HDR Graphics/Lighting

hi_ted said:
Exactly. Which is why most of us don't have any idea of how it will run on either the latest video cards or the lower-range ones.

It's not that I am attacking anyone here, I am just pointing out that it is an increasingly common occurance that owners of high quality video cards often forget that lower-range cards are still capable of many things. These people sometimes get so wrapped up in having the best hardware out there, that they only accept the best performance. So if their computer is having trouble running Lost Coast, they would be one of the first people to upgrade to the newest and greatest hardware.
I spent nearly 5 years running one computer with no upgrades. Even when I bought it, you could consider it as mid-range and 4 years later was when it finally started to be incapable of running the latest games. Most of the time, the answer to squeezing performance out of games was to lower the resolution down to 800x600 or 640x480 with low details.
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Well, to me, anything under 1024 is just plain unplayable. Not to mention that it hurts my eyes.
 
Sgt.Murray said:
it's just people like you are slightly ignorant.
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No, its not really a fair question. Thats ATI's flagship card. And why and I ignorant? I answered your question...That just makes no sense. Ok, but I'm not going to flame you because you are stupid...oops that slipped.

I keep hearing conflicting reports about LC's avalibility. Will it be to only X800/6800 owners or everyone? I hear both. CGW this month reported that only X800/6800 owners could play it.

The only setting I have to have is V-sync. Drives me crazy without it. I played Doom3 at 800x600 (9800Pro at the time) It was fine to me but V-sync is a must. And Hi-Ted I'm not a High End only person as you say (as if its a bad thing anyway) I recently got all this stuff. My 9800Pro and AthlonXP 2600 was showing its age, being over two years old. In fact I'm still running my 512mb RAM in here (which is killing game play). Besides whats wrong with wanting to experience a game the way it was intended to be played?
 
Terranboy said:
Besides whats wrong with wanting to experience a game the way it was intended to be played?
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That's not the issue though. What i'm trying to point out is that the level will still be playable to owners of mid-range cards, provided they turn down some of the graphical settings. This may just mean turning to resolutions of 640x480, which a lot of high powered gamers find very hard to accept.
I'm quite sure they will release the level to any owner of HL2.
(Who Will Get "Lost Coast?" All Half-Life 2 owners. Whether your computer can handle it will be something else.- Steampowered FAQ)
Doing it that way, they can show people with low-end hardware if they need to upgrade to maintain acceptable performance with future Valve releases. At this point in time, the Valve Hardware survey indicates that 60% of Steam users are currently on a 9800 or lower. In fact, only 0.4% have a 7800 which should be enough to run the level well.
All developers would want their customers to play the game at its best, but not everyone has or can afford to have the latest hardware to play it. But a few years down the track, you can go back with your new hardware and see the level for how it was meant to be played.
 
No, its not really a fair question. Thats ATI's flagship card. And why and I ignorant? I answered your question...That just makes no sense. Ok, but I'm not going to flame you because you are stupid...oops that slipped.
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It makes perfect sense, your ignorant in the fact that you can't seem to understand that someone like myself isn't experienced enough to know wether his computer will be able to run the HDR technology with a decent fps, and as for not going on about not flaming and then calling ME stupid, i mean comon, how old are you ??
 
u need at least a gig of ram, and a 6800 card, lost coast was doing 80 fps on a 6800 ultra, not sure what settings tho and that was valves ebast system tihnk:P
 
Are the X850XT PE 256mb PCI-E and the 6800 pretty similar ?
 
Sgt.Murray said:
Are the X850XT PE 256mb PCI-E and the 6800 pretty similar ?
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Honestly Murray, I know your excited about your X850XT but cmon!! You post about your video card in every post you make.. in every different forum on this site.. You ask a million questions about the X850XT in Hardware and Software, then you act like you know nothing about it..

Your card is one of the best on the market. YOU know it, WE know it, and that's all there is to it. You don't have to worry about it running something, because it will run EVERYTHING, and damn well too. You know this... so just chill with the excitement and the showing off. We all know you got an X850XT and we are happy for you, but please stop reminding us in every post and asking a zillion different questions that all revolve around your video card, especially when you have absolutely nothing to be concerned about. And don't act like your clueless, you know your card is awesome, I've read your other posts, thanks.
 
I never said i didn't know it and i sure as hell ain't showing off as i know there are systems 10x better then mine, i am just curious about HDR and how it will perform, if that is such a crime shoot me now, if not stop whining at me.
 
Sgt.Murray said:
I never said i didn't know it and i sure as hell ain't showing off as i know there are systems 10x better then mine, i am just curious about HDR and how it will perform, if that is such a crime shoot me now, if not stop whining at me.
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Well it's absurd to keep asking how Half Life 2 will perform on an radeon X850XT, when you plainly know it's the BEST radeon card on the market. What more do you want to know...? We told you that a few weeks ago when you were asking what kind of FPS you'll get in Source games. Do you really have questions about the X850XT, or do you just like pointing out that you are about to have one...? You can do a quick google for "x850xt benchmarks" and find tons of info.
 
Minerel said:
I know but 1/2 the people who see this thread will think its HDR.
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It's not too far off though. Bloom is known as a "cheap" HDR.
 
Sgt.Murray said:
as i know there are systems 10x better then mine.
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Actually no, there isn't. You have a very fast system. Is that what you wanted to hear? Shall we all say your computer is fast than ours?

Ok, I'll go first. Your computer is faster than mine.

Now...Shhhhh....
 
Jeez, just couldn't read all this :P

Some of you are saying that the 6800 will have better quality than X800 series of graphic cards. Didn't Valve say in some interview that ATI's pixel shader 2.0b is 99% the same as nVidia's 3.0 shader model?

As far as I know, ATI has put a newer than 2.0 shader model before official DirectX had support for it, that's why it's called 2.0b, not 3.0 and that's why it may be a bit less compatible with the official specs...
 
Sgt.Murray said:
Yeah, nice 1, k thanks bye.
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Murray, you're on the losing wicket and you know it. Maybe if you stopped posting and ran a search next time you could avoid pissing a sizeable chunk of the community off.
 
Yeah sorry about my recent pissing off guys, its just im overwhelmed with excitement as you can tell and i was just so curious, anyway im sorry to those of you that i've pissed off, i'll make sure it doesn't happen again :(
 
Was wondering how the x800 XL will hold up w/ HDR. Kind of confused and worried. My card isn't in yet, hopefully later this week, just spent a pretty penny on it and I'm a little concerned.

What kind of FPS am I looking at?

P4 3.0 ghz HT
1 gb DDR2
X800 XL 256 mb PCI Express x 16
 
HDR faq for the win! :D lol its just so no1 has to make any more threads about it, so i made one in a lighthearted manner
 
Sgt.Murray said:
Yeah sorry about my recent pissing off guys, its just im overwhelmed with excitement as you can tell and i was just so curious, anyway im sorry to those of you that i've pissed off, i'll make sure it doesn't happen again :(
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No worries, as long as you've come clean :D It's nice getting cutting edge hardware, just don't brag.
 
everyone stop asking questions about if ur computer can run it or not u will know if it does when it gets here IF it gets here
 
We need a FAQ that says:

Will my x600 card work?
Will my x700 card work?
Will my x800Pro card work?
will my .... on and on until all are listed....
 
lol

heres my FAQ list

geforce 4 and lower:hell no
geforce 5:have fun with 2 fps mabye 1
geforce 6200:not very well
geforce 6600/GT: run fine on low quality
geforce 6800s: enjoy and dont drool
geforce 7800s:why the hell even ask

radeon 9250/x300 and lower:dont even bother
radeon 9550-9800xt:can run with on low
radeon x600/x700:run on low
x800s and higher:not sure about high but go for it
 
Did you just say "Boo-ya" ??

Well, who knows. I don't think running on a 9600 would be a very pleasant experience. I'm not even sure a 9800 would be great. Although I have come to learn that you can usually pull off a good bit lower than the specs on a box just fine. But I still think for the full effect of what HDR is and can do, X800/6800 and up is needed.
 
Hmmm, i used to play on a 9600 with a pretty poor fps, it wasn't totally un-playable but it was annoying, and that was on DirectX9 with everything on high and no AA or AF (1024x768) but i suppose if your willing to compromise the graphics settings for HDR it might be ok :S
 
Sgt.Murray said:
Hmmm, i used to play on a 9600 with a pretty poor fps, it wasn't totally un-playable but it was annoying, and that was on DirectX9 with everything on high and no AA or AF (1024x768) but i suppose if your willing to compromise the graphics settings for HDR it might be ok :S
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I'm playing HL2 on 800x600 with the highest settings (no AA but 4xAF) and it maintains a good fps of over 30.
 
Probably had a better cpu then i did, i was playing on a celeron but that may be the reason, probably more then likely lol, but imo anything over 60 fps is fine as long as it is constantly over 60 and barely drops below.
 
Sgt.Murray said:
Probably had a better cpu then i did, i was playing on a celeron but that may be the reason, probably more then likely lol, but imo anything over 60 fps is fine as long as it is constantly over 60 and barely drops below.
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Anything over 25 fps is going to be fine. Most movies at the cinema are shot at 24fps.
 
Anything over 25 fps is going to be fine. Most movies at the cinema are shot at 24fps.
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How a Tv works vs how a Monitor works is quite diffrent. So your actually more wrong.

For an RTS at about 25-35+FPS it all seems the same. With an FPS Heh I can notice a diffrence when it comes to 25 and 45.
 
hi_ted said:
Anything over 25 fps is going to be fine. Most movies at the cinema are shot at 24fps.
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True, movies run at 24fps. But say you are running along at 24fps and a baddy jumps out and your system takes a hit down to 20fps, then you shoot back and a barral explodes and fps drops to 14fps. Now you are way below the 24fps mark and it shows. But if you are running at 60fps, and take a hit to 50fps you don't even notice, even down to 30-35 and its fine.
 
True, movies run at 24fps. But say you are running along at 24fps and a baddy jumps out and your system takes a hit down to 20fps, then you shoot back and a barral explodes and fps drops to 14fps. Now you are way below the 24fps mark and it shows. But if you are running at 60fps, and take a hit to 50fps you don't even notice, even down to 30-35 and its fine.
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Yeah thats true, even though an fps of 24 runs ok, when in action it dies so quickly and becomes unplayable.
 
Run benchmarks - the framerate that matters, especially for online games where you're slave to a server, is the minimum framerate.
 
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