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IS MUSIC GETTING WORSE?
Alright lets face it, we hear the argument all the time not just in hl2.net, but around every inch of the interwebs, and other forms of media. In this case, I'll look at the two most popular genre's of the century, pop and rock. Electronica as a genre has only gotten better though, with advancements in sound technology and all, so it's to be avoided here. Okay, so I'm not a god at crafting arguments and rants, but hear my case..
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Is it really right to say that any music genre has actually changed for the worse? Alot of people have to understand that as much as "mainstream music", (what the media see's fit as music of our generation, thus morphing our minds accordingly) is the thing that's changing, for the worse or better, there will always be great artists out there, delivering fantastic "underground" (what the rest would call it) music to please our ways , should "mainstream" music get out of hand (which is probably the case now)
Another important point is that the rate of change of music is increasing, and this is because of the increasing level of genre's. So let's get a quick overview of rock's history. (do correct me if i'm wrong)
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A Quick Look at Rock History
First, we saw the birth of rock and roll in the 20's. Then we saw how, blues and jazz got integrated into rock and roll, forming "brit-rock" such as The Who, The Kinks, Pretty Things and bands as such. Then came along a rebirth of folk rock, like Bob Dylan, Neil Young. From this came Psychedelic rock, which led to progressive rock like Pink Floyd or Deep Purple. From the 70's, metal rock and hard rock was born, such as acts like Queen, LZ and Ac/DC. Real punk rock was also born (Sex Pistols for example..), and so was New Wave, the 1st electronic rock genre (Duran Duran..)
With the passing of the metal phase, we saw glam metal being born (don't know why it's dissed here at hl2.net..), like Ratt, Aerosmith, queen, Bon Jovi. In the previous decade, we saw the birth of funk metal (Incubus, 311, RATM, RHCP "awesome shit"), Nu-rock, grunge, alternative emo and "pop punk (Sum 41, Blink 182, green day etc.)", and an ever increasing level of electronic rock and Industrial (NIN, Filter, Rammstein). Of course year 2000 came and post-grunge and horrific teeny boppy pop-punk was advanced. (Jonas brothers, click five, mcr, fob) Horrific. British Alternative Rock also advanced ( Radiohead, Muse etc. )
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Some bands of course change their style to suit the public and this pissed off fans. (Metallica is probably the most famous example). And of course, each phase shift has pissed a whole load of people off. The transition from the 60's rock to Heavy Hard Rock/Metal was not welcomed by people at first, but it passed. The Metal died to Glam Metal, and of course came the famous phrase ("Glam Metal killed Metal Rock"), then grunge (Sound-garden, Nirvana, AIC, GNR) consumed glam metal, after which it was murdered/consumed by post-grunge and alternative (3 doors down, Alerbridge, everclear etc.)
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And what to notice from all these "mainstream" rock genre killings? It's all done by the media to feed a new generation. And the old generation will always go away pissed off, saying the good old music has died, while the teens and beyond will remember these genre's as true music. But there is a major flaw in this thinking, because of the way this new "rock music" is going. Post-grunge and pop punk are the two big mainstream rock genre's of today, and both of them do not require much musical skill level and are very repetitive imo. Sometime I feel as if, rock genre has been practically squeezed out to this level, and I can't see how rock music can actually advance, like it has done over the last 5 decades.
Pop Music too, has been great till the turn of this decade. Everything from the Beach Boys to the Bee Gees and Beatles, to the Jazzy Blue pop, all the way to the Dance and Disco era of Pop Music, they have been great. Hell, even boy bands had singing talent, if you look at it at a one sided way. But look at the pop music dominating "mainstream pop" these days. It's all RNB, Rap and crap (yes it's a genre, consisting of artists like Rhianna, Leona Lewis, Jordin sparks, gwen stefani, fergie). Why? I hate this genre's of pop music so much, especially RnB of this decade, it's horrible. I don't see the direction of where pop music is advancing.
So I have only one conclusion. Rock and Pop Music are dying. What do you think?
(Do apologize if my musical knowledge or taste doesn't hold by post strong enough, but hey, we need a rant thread of this sort already, because I am sick of the shit I hear nowadays. Post-grunge is bearable though imo, though it too can be repetitive. For example, Audiovent, Hoobastank, Alter-bridge and such are alright, but Nickelback, Pap-roach and such acts are pretty horrific. Also, do remember, that I am referring to MAINSTREAM MUSIC)
Alright lets face it, we hear the argument all the time not just in hl2.net, but around every inch of the interwebs, and other forms of media. In this case, I'll look at the two most popular genre's of the century, pop and rock. Electronica as a genre has only gotten better though, with advancements in sound technology and all, so it's to be avoided here. Okay, so I'm not a god at crafting arguments and rants, but hear my case..
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Is it really right to say that any music genre has actually changed for the worse? Alot of people have to understand that as much as "mainstream music", (what the media see's fit as music of our generation, thus morphing our minds accordingly) is the thing that's changing, for the worse or better, there will always be great artists out there, delivering fantastic "underground" (what the rest would call it) music to please our ways , should "mainstream" music get out of hand (which is probably the case now)
Another important point is that the rate of change of music is increasing, and this is because of the increasing level of genre's. So let's get a quick overview of rock's history. (do correct me if i'm wrong)
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A Quick Look at Rock History
First, we saw the birth of rock and roll in the 20's. Then we saw how, blues and jazz got integrated into rock and roll, forming "brit-rock" such as The Who, The Kinks, Pretty Things and bands as such. Then came along a rebirth of folk rock, like Bob Dylan, Neil Young. From this came Psychedelic rock, which led to progressive rock like Pink Floyd or Deep Purple. From the 70's, metal rock and hard rock was born, such as acts like Queen, LZ and Ac/DC. Real punk rock was also born (Sex Pistols for example..), and so was New Wave, the 1st electronic rock genre (Duran Duran..)
With the passing of the metal phase, we saw glam metal being born (don't know why it's dissed here at hl2.net..), like Ratt, Aerosmith, queen, Bon Jovi. In the previous decade, we saw the birth of funk metal (Incubus, 311, RATM, RHCP "awesome shit"), Nu-rock, grunge, alternative emo and "pop punk (Sum 41, Blink 182, green day etc.)", and an ever increasing level of electronic rock and Industrial (NIN, Filter, Rammstein). Of course year 2000 came and post-grunge and horrific teeny boppy pop-punk was advanced. (Jonas brothers, click five, mcr, fob) Horrific. British Alternative Rock also advanced ( Radiohead, Muse etc. )
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Some bands of course change their style to suit the public and this pissed off fans. (Metallica is probably the most famous example). And of course, each phase shift has pissed a whole load of people off. The transition from the 60's rock to Heavy Hard Rock/Metal was not welcomed by people at first, but it passed. The Metal died to Glam Metal, and of course came the famous phrase ("Glam Metal killed Metal Rock"), then grunge (Sound-garden, Nirvana, AIC, GNR) consumed glam metal, after which it was murdered/consumed by post-grunge and alternative (3 doors down, Alerbridge, everclear etc.)
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And what to notice from all these "mainstream" rock genre killings? It's all done by the media to feed a new generation. And the old generation will always go away pissed off, saying the good old music has died, while the teens and beyond will remember these genre's as true music. But there is a major flaw in this thinking, because of the way this new "rock music" is going. Post-grunge and pop punk are the two big mainstream rock genre's of today, and both of them do not require much musical skill level and are very repetitive imo. Sometime I feel as if, rock genre has been practically squeezed out to this level, and I can't see how rock music can actually advance, like it has done over the last 5 decades.
Pop Music too, has been great till the turn of this decade. Everything from the Beach Boys to the Bee Gees and Beatles, to the Jazzy Blue pop, all the way to the Dance and Disco era of Pop Music, they have been great. Hell, even boy bands had singing talent, if you look at it at a one sided way. But look at the pop music dominating "mainstream pop" these days. It's all RNB, Rap and crap (yes it's a genre, consisting of artists like Rhianna, Leona Lewis, Jordin sparks, gwen stefani, fergie). Why? I hate this genre's of pop music so much, especially RnB of this decade, it's horrible. I don't see the direction of where pop music is advancing.
So I have only one conclusion. Rock and Pop Music are dying. What do you think?
(Do apologize if my musical knowledge or taste doesn't hold by post strong enough, but hey, we need a rant thread of this sort already, because I am sick of the shit I hear nowadays. Post-grunge is bearable though imo, though it too can be repetitive. For example, Audiovent, Hoobastank, Alter-bridge and such are alright, but Nickelback, Pap-roach and such acts are pretty horrific. Also, do remember, that I am referring to MAINSTREAM MUSIC)
Do, try not to turn this thread into an anti post grunge and pop punk thread, but give your views on changing music and the future of music.