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This guy has figured out some weird glitch in what always has been said can't be done. 3 small rotating magnets around a ring of bar magnets, and some pretty interesting effects.

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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PIvZJ9xGutI
 
That thing is still going to be loosing energy like crazy, gogo friction. I wonder if we'll get to see a video that shows the underside of that device.
 
picture that along with a combustion engine, gas mileage ftw
 
Rapstah said:
Magnets don't go on forever.
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Exactley that's the fallacy in the perpetual motion argument, neodynium magnets like the ones in use don't actually demagnetize very fast atall, and can last hundreds of years.

Even if it eventually stops working after a life time that still doesn't make it perpetual, it breaks no laws. We are just failing to understand that powerful permanent magnets in certain setups are overcoming the friction to produce motive force because they are providing energy, naturally occuring energy that is being tapped from the electron spin.
 
clarky003 said:
Exactley that's the fallacy in the perpetual motion argument, neodynium magnets like the ones in use don't actually demagnetize very fast atall, and can last hundreds of years.

Even if it eventually stops working after a life time that still doesn't make it perpetual, it breaks no laws. We are just failing to understand that powerful permanent magnets in certain setups are overcoming the friction to produce motive force because they are providing energy, naturally occuring energy that is being tapped from the electron spin.
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Clarky,

You post things like this all the time and I really have to wonder why. All this stuff claims some bullshit about scalar waves (you haven't mentioned them in a while btw) or perpetual motion or whatever accompanied by some dodgy youtube videos or website. But you know what you lack? A properly conducted experiment by qualified physicists written up in a peer reviewed journal. Why do you insist on telling us about things that do not match these conditions. Do you think Science is a conspiracy? Your like that crazy texan who when told that his perpetual motion machine would break the laws of physics replied: "I'm gonna do it whether those fatcats in Washington like it or not".

Such crazy shit you like to talk about, well why don't the creators just take them to their local university, if they could demonstrate it properly most physicists would LOVE to examine it. What you've posted this time doesn't seem that interesting, the magnets will run out and forgive me if I'm wrong but I'm fairly sure it's got nothing to do with the spinning of the electrons as electrons are not actually little particles that could spin they are more like waves at great enough detail.

But keep posting this rubbish, it's amusing.
 
You're hardly one to talk for "Stick it to the man" viewpoints, Solaris.

-Angry Lawyer
 
He's right about one thing though. Gief peer-reviewed paper not some youtube clip.
 
Am I supposed to be impressed?

I didn't watch this with the sound on but I didn't see anything amazing. The lighting is shitty and you really can't see what is happening. If this was meant to demonstrate something amazing it would let you see everything in good lighting with no editing taking place. From the video you can't really tell much of anything. Magnetic energy is an amazing thing and as more reasearch goes in to it I think it will help us use energy more efficiently as there is virtually unlimited energy in the magnetic fields we all live in that we don't know how to tap in to yet. But stuff like this is absolutely insane.
 
just wait till god release the latest patch and he wont be able to use that glitch anymore
 
I usually hear of about 3 or 4 claims of an invention purporting to be a perpetual motion machine every year all of which turn out to be bogus. Claims for inventions of perpetual motion machines are so common that its common practice for patent offices not to grant a patent for such a device unless it has been successfully demonstrated non of which ever has. I may as well just come out and say it... perpetual motion as a way of generating energy is a complete myth...
 
Mechanical Wear instantly disproves perpetual motion for me.

Still awesome, though.
 
You could get the same effect by using a simple set of gears. Its nothing impressive, the magnets are just facilitating a conversion of angular momentum. The energy he put into it using his finger is the only energy present in the system, its simply distributed over several rotating parts with fancy electromagnetic interactions. Energy will indefinitly be lost in the system due to friction. It would probably stop spinning after only a few minutes.

EDIT: what he doesn't show you is the amount of force he had to apply to get the thing moving. Because this system works on the principle of angular momentum, he probably had to put in alot of force to get it spinning in the first place.
 
theotherguy said:
You could get the same effect by using a simple set of gears. Its nothing impressive, the magnets are just facilitating a conversion of angular momentum. The energy he put into it using his finger is the only energy present in the system, its simply distributed over several rotating parts with fancy electromagnetic interactions. Energy will indefinitly be lost in the system due to friction. It would probably stop spinning after only a few minutes.

EDIT: what he doesn't show you is the amount of force he had to apply to get the thing moving. Because this system works on the principle of angular momentum, he probably had to put in alot of force to get it spinning in the first place.
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How does it speed up then? It would have to be decreasing friction, if no energy is gained, right?

*not a physics student*
 
Let's say it did work without a motor for a second. That disc must be very light for the other magnets to be able to spin it. So what we have is a spinning disc creating low amounts of Torque. For the purposes of power generation it's useless.
 
Well there's no proof to say otherwise so I'm pretty confident in saying there's a motor or something else involved. Read up on the youtube comments there are some smart people there.
 
Solaris said:
Clarky,

You post things like this all the time and I really have to wonder why. All this stuff claims some bullshit about scalar waves (you haven't mentioned them in a while btw) or perpetual motion or whatever accompanied by some dodgy youtube videos or website. But you know what you lack? A properly conducted experiment by qualified physicists written up in a peer reviewed journal. Why do you insist on telling us about things that do not match these conditions. Do you think Science is a conspiracy? Your like that crazy texan who when told that his perpetual motion machine would break the laws of physics replied: "I'm gonna do it whether those fatcats in Washington like it or not".

Such crazy shit you like to talk about, well why don't the creators just take them to their local university, if they could demonstrate it properly most physicists would LOVE to examine it. What you've posted this time doesn't seem that interesting, the magnets will run out and forgive me if I'm wrong but I'm fairly sure it's got nothing to do with the spinning of the electrons as electrons are not actually little particles that could spin they are more like waves at great enough detail.

But keep posting this rubbish, it's amusing.
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I giggled HARD
 
Kyorisu said:
Well there's no proof to say otherwise so I'm pretty confident in saying there's a motor or something else involved. Read up on the youtube comments there are some smart people there.
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Best joke of the new year :D

Smart comments? On YouTube? Oh I lul'd.

I don't believe in perpetual motion, but that thing did look pretty neat. Wonder if it actually works...might have to try it.

This thing got a name, btw?
 
My god how is this possible. Yes, the force provided by your hand causes the mini magnetic discs at the side to spin, causing an opposing magnetic force that is actually turning the main disc itself. You might all say, "But this would only sustain a decelerating motion, I can't see why it would speed up" I think that the magnetic flux is sort of slowly getting stored up like a rubber band, and then is released to produce the accelerating spinning, but then again I'm not sure..

Another lame theory is that there are wires connected to the magnets and the opposing magnetism produces electricity (high school science) and it's powering some motor below..
 
Here's the big thing - reproducability.

It's a simple setup. Magnets on a wheel, with magnets on the edge. It doesn't look expensive to make, and assuming there are no hidden parts, everyone should be able to reproduce it. That's how good science is done - people do a test, and other people repeat the test to check the results.

I can guarantee you it won't work, though, because otherwise there'd be loads of people with little spinning magnidiscs on their desks.

-Angry Lawyer
 
I'll give it a try when I get around to it. I trust in nothing I can't reproduce / witness for myself, except space flight.
 
I'm pretty certain that the magnetism running out, doesn't make it non-perpetual.

Perpetual motion usually refers to a device or system that delivers more energy than was put into it.
 
...no...perpetual motion is something that never stops. Hence PERPETUAL motion. It is also: bullshit.

Getting more energy out than putting in is a machine with > 100% efficiency. They are related, however.
 
Only because it isn't powering itself using the energy gained. Most people would say something that CREATES its own energy for 1000s of years is perpetual
 
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