New Pat Condell Video

[Asknoone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7iBoq_yC4k&sdig=1

Pretty much agree with every word that came out of his mouth.

 

[[Matt]]

Seen all his previous vids. If only i could articulate my own feelings about the state of islam in this country aswell as he does.

 

[Baserape>]

He is taking the extreme views of a minority and applying them to the majority. Some would consider him a hero for speaking out, I call him a shit stirrer.

 

[PvtRyan]

He is taking the extreme views of a minority and applying them to the majority. Some would consider him a hero for speaking out, I call him a shit stirrer.

If that minority is disproportionately large compared to other groups, then the group as a whole should be criticized and not just the extreme minority. Because such a large minority signifies a problem with the entire group. If 20% of all bus drivers turn out to be pedophiles, there is obviously something wrong with bus drivers as a whole, despite it being a minority that is a pedophile.

 

[Nemesis6]

He is taking the extreme views of a minority and applying them to the majority. Some would consider him a hero for speaking out, I call him a shit stirrer.

He's addressing 40% of Britain's Muslim population. That's not a minority.

 

[No Limit]

He's addressing 40% of Britain's Muslim population. That's not a minority.

Wanting Sharia law doesn't make you any more extreme as a muslim than wanting biblical law as a christian. If they did the same scientific poll on christians they would come up with a similar number. But I guess doing that kind of poll isn't newsworthy, its much easier to direct all your shit at one particular group thats in the minority as nobody will question that.

 

[Irksome]

He hit the proverbial nail on the head.

 

[Mr Stabby]

Islam is really lame.

 

[Nemesis6]

Wanting Sharia law doesn't make you any more extreme as a muslim than wanting biblical law as a christian. If they did the same scientific poll on christians they would come up with a similar number. But I guess doing that kind of poll isn't newsworthy, its much easier to direct all your shit at one particular group thats in the minority as nobody will question that.

You're reaching. You know the numbers would be second to none. Your only argument is that it hasn't been tested, and rightfully so: Because they're not a problem.

By the way: Proof that Pat Condell is 1337:
http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pat13372oo7.jpg

 

[Gunner]

he's like the zero punctuation reviewer of islam.

 

[No Limit]

You're reaching. You know the numbers would be second to none. Your only argument is that it hasn't been tested, and rightfully so: Because they're not a problem.

By the way: Proof that Pat Condell is 1337:

No, I'm not. I'm pretty sure I posted an online poll here a few months back that showed something like 80% of evangelicals would be willing to do this here in the US. I'm pretty sure Stern just a few days ago posted a link about a christian group calling for the execution of gays. People like Pat Roberts blamed the 9/11 attacks on the fact we didn't embrace God enough. How you can deny this shows how insanely blind you are. And the only reason a poll like that hasn't been done for christians is because the media loves beating up on a group that is so easy to beat up on. Its a trend that has been going on for the last few years, and naive people like you that probably never knew a muslim personally in your lives play right in to that bullshit.

 

[Nemesis6]

I never denied anything. You are the fanatic here because every time Muslims are blamed for something, you need to criticize Christians in order to make everything right, but the same deal doesn't apply when Christians are criticized. That's a double standard and you know that. And we're not talking about the United States here, we're talking about Britain which is admittedly more moderate. Besides, Christianity does not have a political system by which countries should be ruled, so you would probably be hard-pressed to find some Christians who would know what you are talking about. Christianity just does not have anything system that could on a politcal level rival the Shari'a in barbarity.

 

[PvtRyan]

Wanting Sharia law doesn't make you any more extreme as a muslim than wanting biblical law as a christian. If they did the same scientific poll on christians they would come up with a similar number. But I guess doing that kind of poll isn't newsworthy, its much easier to direct all your shit at one particular group thats in the minority as nobody will question that.

Seriously, can we have ONE thread about Islam where you or Stern doesn't throw in the tired "hurrrr but Christianity is retarded too!!!"? This happens in EVERY thread that has to do with Islam and it's really, really old by now. What does it even have to do with this thread? This is a thread about the troubles with Islam in Britain, but somehow you think it's appropriate to start about how shitty Christianity is in the US. Polls in the US about Christians wanting a Biblical law are worthless when applied to the much more heathen Britian. Extremist Muslims are disproportionately prevalent in Britain, can we worry about that instead of trying to establish useless parallels to Christianity in the US?

For people who dislike all religion you and Stern have your head oddly far up the rectum of Muslims.

 

[Tyguy]

For people who dislike all religion you and Stern have your head oddly far up the rectum of Muslims.

That is because they are right, all religion is dangerous. However I am also getting kind of annoyed at the comparison to christianity as well. The topic at hand is islam and the kinds of idiosyncratic customs they wants to blindly envoke in Britain. Condell's main point is that he will NOT be tolerant of a religion which treats their women like dogs and still believes witchcraft is a punishable offense. Theres no need to compare christianity, we all know throughout history christianity had its fair share of this type of bullshit.

If you watch any of his other videos you can see he is quite fair in his criticism.

 

[No Limit]

Seriously, can we have ONE thread about Islam where you or Stern doesn't throw in the tired "hurrrr but Christianity is retarded too!!!"? This happens in EVERY thread that has to do with Islam and it's really, really old by now. What does it even have to do with this thread? This is a thread about the troubles with Islam in Britain, but somehow you think it's appropriate to start about how shitty Christianity is in the US. Polls in the US about Christians wanting a Biblical law are worthless when applied to the much more heathen Britian. Extremist Muslims are disproportionately prevalent in Britain, can we worry about that instead of trying to establish useless parallels to Christianity in the US?

For people who dislike all religion you and Stern have your head oddly far up the rectum of Muslims.

I never denied anything. You are the fanatic here because every time Muslims are blamed for something, you need to criticize Christians in order to make everything right, but the same deal doesn't apply when Christians are criticized. That's a double standard and you know that. And we're not talking about the United States here, we're talking about Britain which is admittedly more moderate. Besides, Christianity does not have a political system by which countries should be ruled, so you would probably be hard-pressed to find some Christians who would know what you are talking about. Christianity just does not have anything system that could on a politcal level rival the Shari'a in barbarity.

The reason I bring up christianity every single time you guys post this bullshit is to prove how unfair the media and these people are treating muslims. Christians are just as batshit crazy, they have been this way for as long as muslims have. Yet the media continues to point to muslims as the root of the problem. I have never been to the UK as I've said many times, but many people from the UK here have disputed what you are saying Nemesis. Sure, in London the christians probably aren't as radical, but outside of the cities they are ****ing nuts. Same thing as in this country.

Everytime you people point your fingers at muslims there are many more christians doing the exact same thing in much larger numbers. How many times have muslims been blamed for trying to ban evolution in British schools? The articles that were cited in these posts made no mention of the christian influance in this regard. Why?

I'll put it in terms you can understand nemesis. What you people are doing is on the same level as people like Mel Gibson blaming Jews for all the middle east's problems. These people are too ****ing close minded to understand that there are far more groups to blame for what is going on. Like everything else this is not a black and white issue as the media tries to potray it to be, and you people fall for it. Its a damn shame, you should be much smarter than that.

 

[No Limit]

That is because they are right, all religion is dangerous. However I am also getting kind of annoyed at the comparison to christianity as well. The topic at hand is islam and the kinds of idiosyncratic customs they wants to blindly envoke in Britain. Condell's main point is that he will NOT be tolerant of a religion which treats their women like dogs and still believes witchcraft is a punishable offense. Theres no need to compare christianity, we all know throughout history christianity had its fair share of this type of bullshit.

If you watch any of his other videos you can see he is quite fair in his criticism.

Tyguy, you do know that in christianity woman are not equals and witchcraft is a punishable offense. In fact I have some really interesting comments from Pat Robertson about what the role of woman is, but I won't waste my time posting it.

Again, this is about pointing a finger at a minority group and ignoring the majority group doing the exact same thing.

 

[Mr Stabby]

Western Christianity is a hundred times more civilized than Islam.

 

[No Limit]

Western Christianity is a hundred times more civilized than Islam.

Western Islam is just as civilized as western christianity.

 

[Tyguy]

Tyguy, you do know that in christianity woman are not equals and witchcraft is a punishable offense.

Oh snap, that reminds me, im late for a burnin!

Again, this is about pointing a finger at a minority group and ignoring the majority group doing the exact same thing.

Exact same thing? What leads you to believe that?

 

[Mr Stabby]

Western Islam is just as civilized as western christianity.

No it isn't.

 

[No Limit]

Exact same thing? What leads you to believe that?

Personal experiance. What leads you to believe otherwise.

 

[Tyguy]

Personal experiance. What leads you to believe otherwise.

haha, personal experience as well...

and obviously from researching the situation a little

 

[CptStern]

No it isn't.

when's the last time a muslim person bombed an abortion clinic in the west? or picketed funerals with signs that read "god hates fags"? when was the last time a muslim in the west made over 900 people drink poisoned koolaid, or fed them hot lead so that they could all ride with Muhanned on a space ship riding the tail of a comet?

I bet if you were to go to say Mecca and looked for christians who stoned someone to death because they werent covered in public, or beheaded someone cuz they insulted Jesus you'd probably have a hard time finding it

..the point is nonsensical because it's all relative to time and place

 

[Mr Stabby]

The 7/7 tube bombings were carried out by by British born Muslims,
and there is the reaction to the Danish Muhammad cartoons in London or the significant support for sharia law among British Muslims..

Now compare the number of western Christians to the number and scale of bad things done by western Christians. To the number of western Muslims and the size and scale of bad things done by western Muslims.

 

[No Limit]

Now compare the number of western Christians to the number and scale of bad things done by western Christians. To the number of western Muslims and the size and scale of bad things done by western Muslims.

And you would have a very similar ratio. The fact you believe otherwise comes from your own prejudice, not from any factual statistics.

haha, personal experience as well...

and obviously from researching the situation a little

Tyguy, if you would like to share some of those experiances please do. I've had a few muslim friends, not nearly as many as christian but it was enough for me to get to know them. Never did a muslim try to explain why Mohamed is my lord and savior. I never saw them talk about the culture war. Never seen them dispise somebody for who they were. Like I posted about a month back I got to go to Vegas because my friend's dad, who was Muslim, paid for our entire trip.

On the other hand I have lost christian friends when I started questioning my own religion. In high school I've had friend which seemed normal that had parents quiz me about jesus and wether I believed in it. I've worked for a lawyer who would give me a religious or morality lesson for a few hours each week while I was on the clock. You know lessons about how "fags" are destroying this country, how setting fires to abortion clinics was justified, how we should convert the middle east to christianity, etc, etc, etc.

So that's my personal experiance, maybe you had a different one, I'd love to hear about it.

 

[CptStern]

The 7/7 tube bombings were carried out by by British born Muslims

and? one drop in the bucket, my point still stands

and there is the reaction to the Danish Muhammad cartoons in London or the significant support for sharia law among British Muslims..

and? there's signficant support for creationism being taught in canadian christian schools supported by tax dollars ...doesnt make it the norm

Now compare the number of western Christians to the number and scale of bad things done by western Christians. To the number of western Muslims and the size and scale of bad things done by western Muslims.

no comparison, from bombing abortion clinics to picketing gay pride to pushing for creationism in schools ..I have never seen muslims protest anything in my neck of the woods but I cant say the same about christians


anyways this argument is silly

 

[Mr Stabby]

and? one drop in the bucket, my point still stands

There have been numerous foiled terrorist attacks by Muslims in Britain. Examples of Christian Terrorism?

and? there's signficant support for creationism being taught in canadian christian schools supported by tax dollars ...doesnt make it the norm

Wanting to teach creationism isn't harmful nor uncivilized.

no comparison, from bombing abortion clinics to picketing gay pride to pushing for creationism in schools ..I have never seen muslims protest anything in my neck of the woods but I cant say the same about christians

It's no contest, that Muslims are proportionally worse. They barely make up a few percent of the west population, but Islamic extremism is a more serious issue, than the fringe of the wests largest religion.

anyways this argument is silly

You are the one who thinks Christianity is just as bad as Islam.

 

[Tyguy]

Tyguy, if you would like to share some of those experiances please do.

Ive gotten into some pretty intense arguments with muslims in the past. The thing is though, these are select experiences and in no way encompass islam as a whole, so making any decisions based on individual experience is futile.

I dont place the majority of the blame on the people, but on the faith itself...usually. That is the main idea behind Condells videos. He evenly distributes his criticism between all faiths...Just so happens that the situation in Britain is one of great concern to him, as well as to many others in the area.

 

[The Monkey]

That is because they are right, all religion is dangerous. However I am also getting kind of annoyed at the comparison to christianity as well. The topic at hand is islam and the kinds of idiosyncratic customs they wants to blindly envoke in Britain. Condell's main point is that he will NOT be tolerant of a religion which treats their women like dogs and still believes witchcraft is a punishable offense. Theres no need to compare christianity, we all know throughout history christianity had its fair share of this type of bullshit.

If you watch any of his other videos you can see he is quite fair in his criticism.

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Yes, we all know that Christianity sucks, must it be thrown in your face every time we try to discuss Islam?

 

[No Limit]

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Yes, we all know that Christianity sucks, must it be thrown in your face every time we try to discuss Islam?

But how many times do you guys actually make a new topic about how much christianity sucks. I'll venture out and say vitually never. Those topics usually come from Stern alone.

 

[Asknoone]

Wanting to teach creationism isn't harmful nor uncivilized.

Yes it is. Not that I'm condoning people bringing up Christianity; I don't think it needs to be there all the time to bring balance...yes, we know it's a pile of ****ing horse shit dog manure putrid loathsome smelling crapness but really, so is Islam, and that's what we're discussing.

 

[Mr Stabby]

But how many times do you guys actually make a new topic about how much christianity sucks. I'll venture out and say vitually never. Those topics usually come from Stern alone.

Christianity bashing has been done to death

Yes it is. Not that I'm condoning people bringing up Christianity; I don't think it needs to be there all the time to bring balance...yes, we know it's a pile of ****ing horse shit dog manure putrid loathsome smelling crapness but really, so is Islam, and that's what we're discussing.

Wanting to teach creationism can hardly be considered dangerous, it doesn't harm anyone.

 

[PvtRyan]

Wanting to teach creationism can hardly be considered dangerous, it doesn't harm anyone.

Oh right, teaching mysticism where science belongs doesn't erode the foundation which science is based on at all: evidence. Teaching creationism harms everything science is based on.

 

[CptStern]

There have been numerous foiled terrorist attacks by Muslims in Britain. Examples of Christian Terrorism?

umm abortion clinic bombings?

Wanting to teach creationism isn't harmful nor uncivilized.

how is filling childrens heads with fairy tales as if they were the only truth not harmful or uncivilised? might as well teach them that the earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese

It's no contest, that Muslims are proportionally worse. They barely make up a few percent of the west population, but Islamic extremism is a more serious issue, than the fringe of the wests largest religion.

where? in the west? muslim extremism is a problem in the west? since when? besides a few isolated incidents most of the violence is contained within the middle east ...look this wouldnt have been a problem if more people spoke out against the war in iraq ffs ..this didnt come to boil until after the wests little excursion into iraq ..the east hasnt changed from what it was a decade ago, it's just that people are only now starting to take notice due to a constant barrage of imagery that shapes an agenda

You are the one who thinks Christianity is just as bad as Islam.

says who? you? dont put words into my mouth ...and yes islam and christianity are equally retarded ..that still isnt saying that one is "just as bad" as the other ..just that they're equally retarded

 

[Mr Stabby]

Firstly creationism doesn't harm people, inciting the killing of infidels does.

Creationism is regarded by almost all of the entire scientific community as a joke, it doesn't pose a threat to science any more than astrology does. As much as some people want it taught in schools they are never going to achieve it. Science isn't so weak that such stupid pseudo-sciences actually threaten it.

Radical Islam is however quite capable of convincing some Muslims to go on buses and blow themselves up, that's harmful.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Radical Christianity is however quite capable of convincing some Christians to bomb abortion clinics, thats harmful

See what I did there?

 

[Asknoone]

Wanting to teach creationism can hardly be considered dangerous, it doesn't harm anyone.

You're being obtuse; yes, teaching creationism is highly dangerous, and it really does harm people.

 

[Mr Stabby]

umm abortion clinic bombings?

Numbers please, if you are going to show how Christianity is proportionally worse.

how is filling childrens heads with fairy tales as if they were the only truth not harmful or uncivilised? might as well teach them that the earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese

They have no chance of actually achieving their aim, and it doesn't harm people.


[quest]where? in the west? muslim extremism is a problem in the west? since when? besides a few isolated incidents most of the violence is contained within the middle east ...look this wouldnt have been a problem if more people spoke out against the war in iraq ffs ..this didnt come to boil until after the wests little excursion into iraq ..the east hasnt changed from what it was a decade ago, it's just that people are only now starting to take notice due to a constant barrage of imagery that shapes an agenda [/quest]

The Madrid and London bombings, as well as dozens of unsuccessful attempts show domestic Muslims terrorism to be a serious problem. It doesn't matter why they are doing it they are doing it. Had we not had the treaty of Versailles, The Nazis wouldn't have been a problem.

says who? you? dont put words into my mouth ...and yes islam and christianity are equally retarded ..that still isnt saying that one is "just as bad" as the other ..just that they're equally retarded

Islam is more dangerous, yet you and No Limit bring up the dangers of Christianity in a thread about Islam.

 

[Mr Stabby]

See what I did there?

Compare the proportionate rates of religious terrorism.

You're being obtuse; yes, teaching creationism is highly dangerous, and it really does harm people.

Wanting to teach creationism is not dangerous. They can only ever preach to the choir on creationism, you have to be a fundamentalist Christian to believe in Christian creationism. It doesn't affect the outside world.

How does it harm people?

 

[The Monkey]

Firstly creationism doesn't harm people, inciting the killing of infidels does.

It harms the children that are brainwashed.