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Think of the possibilities if teleportation became real. My god, it's so far from us that it does not exist in the Firefox dictionary itself. Transportation would be eliminated, there would be no need for vehicles, a more efficient lifestyle. Anyway, here is an old article on teleportation which I found quite interesting.

http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jan/physics/teleportation-gets-real/

described using laser pulses to transfer information from one atom to another in a different location. Although their methods were slightly different, the results were exactly the same: The second atom became completely indistinguishable from the first, just as if information had disappeared from one atom and appeared at the other one without traveling through the space in between.
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I really hope this becomes a reality in a larger scale. Lol, I am writing an essay on this and did some research and found teleportation really fascinating...
 
That's not the point, I just wanted to have a discussion about teleportation, so hopefully, something from you people might go into my essay and would help me.
 
Teleportation on a grand scale is simply not possible, at least for many decades. These experiments have to do with switching information in utterly tiny quantities of matter, and are only useful for teleporting something like an electron the distance of a few millimeters (which is still extremely useful in making computers).
 
soulslicer said:
Think of the possibilities if teleportation became real. My god, it's so far from us that it does not exist in the Firefox dictionary itself. Transportation would be eliminated, there would be no need for vehicles, a more efficient lifestyle. Anyway, here is an old article on teleportation which I found quite interesting.
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Seriously, would you really want yourself to be desintegrated into billions of molecules and atoms and then hopefully reorganised on the otherend?

(which is still extremely useful in making computers).
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Useful if making a super computer that could encompass the entire globe ;)
 
DEATH eVADER said:
Seriously, would you really want yourself to be desintegrated into billions of molecules and atoms and then hopefully reorganised on the otherend?
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Even if teleportation were to become commonplace in the future and it was touted to be the safest form of transportation, I still wouldn't go near it.


Oh yeah, and how about the horror story about a type of teleporter that doesn't actually transport the atoms/molecules you're made of, but rather makes an exact copy of you at the destination.:|
 
My worst fear is that whatever comes out on the other end thinks it's me and works as me and no one else sees the difference, but I've really died somewhere on the line.
 
Teleportation ****ing confuses me. What makes my mind mine? Teleportation works by configuring atoms to be a replica of what was teleported... Why does that mean my consiousness resumes at that exact copy of myself? It's so ****ing confusing... How does that work? What happens if there is an exact copy of myself and the original is still there? Where is my mind at? Both? What would it be like?

Someone please explain this.
 
If the soul exists, will it appear on the other end, or will it be stuck for all eternity?
 
Vegeta897 said:
Teleportation ****ing confuses me. What makes my mind mine? Teleportation works by configuring atoms to be a replica of what was teleported... Why does that mean my consiousness resumes at that exact copy of myself? It's so ****ing confusing... How does that work? What happens if there is an exact copy of myself and the original is still there? Where is my mind at? Both? What would it be like?

Someone please explain this.
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the original gets destroyed in the process of copying
 
Is that necessary? What if it doesn't?

And that doesn't answer my question, how the hell it works.

Why is it that just because my brain is reconstructed in some location, I automatically resume consiousness in that place?
 
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it's supposed to be a perfect copy, down to the electrons and protons. It has to do with entanglement of particles that separate, and when you change one particle the other changes instantaneously, even faster than light.
 
I'm not asking how teleportation works. Can't you read!?!? Argh! :p

How does the consious-transfer work.
 
delusional said:
You die, and someone with the exact mind/memories reappears somewhere else. I don't know.
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Exactly. Thats why teleportation will never be useful for us. Materials? Equipment? Yeah. But humans? No thanks.

Also, did anyone read that Stephen King book where when you teleport you have to be unciouncious or your mind ends up in some weird dimension for the rest of time?
 
I don't think I'd be bothered by the deconstruction thing much... You're just atoms, it doesn't matter which particular atoms they are. But then, I also don't mind the idea of human cloning, so I might be a wackjob.

Beyond the transportation implications, there's also medicine to consider.
 
Conscious is a state of self awareness. Unless you're talking about "the spirit, the soul, etc", in which case you'd be wrong to assume we have one.

What comes out on the other end is (if everything goes properly) an exact replica- in essence, you. Nothing has changed. You'll go in and out as if nothing had ever changed.

The cells on your body die all the time- your body is constantly decaying and constantly growing back. In twenty years little about your body will be the same except for brain matter.

It would be a little silly to think there's a "spirit" of the body. We are simply products of our biology. There's really, honestly, nothing else to it.

At least, that's what I believe.
 
Jeez, there is no soul or unique human conscious what can be destroyed by teleportation.
 
I'm not talking about souls... I don't believe in that either. Talking about self-awareness, like you said.

So if there's an exact replica recreated, then your consiousness resumes in that body? But what happens to the first body? What if it isn't destroyed or killed. Why does our consiousness 'jump' to the other one?
 
Vegeta897 said:
So if there's an exact replica recreated, then your consiousness resumes in that body? But what happens to the first body? What if it isn't destroyed or killed. Why does our consiousness 'jump' to the other one?
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Your conciousness doesn't "jump", you're very much DEAD. And the copy will be identical to you at an atomic level, have all your memories personality etc.

So the scary thing about this is that for an outside observer, testing the teleporter, it would look like everything is fine. But everything wouldn't be fine, you're dead and there's an exact copy in your place.:x

And if there's some kind of weird error and you're not desintegrated, then well congratulations you've got twins!:rolling:
 
But pesh just said YOU yourself wouldn't realise you're in a different body. But now you're saying you die and a new consiousness is created with the exact memories etc. as you had when you died.

Which the **** is it!?

The new consiousness would act as if the teleportation had worked and everything, but it's not my original consiousness. It's a new one. So I myself would never be able to experience a teleport myself all the way through. A new consiousness is created that isn't mine, but is exactly like mine.

Freakin' confusing.
 
Vegeta897 said:
How does the consious-transfer work.
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Conciousness is the product of a neural network with a definite state. If you and your copy had identical brains, and the state of every neuron was identical at the time of copying, then naturally the future state must also be the same an instant later, ie, your conciousness would continue in both bodies if one is not destroyed.

And I have absolutely no problems with destruction-reconstruction as long as it's painless.
 
So I'm suddenly aware of and in control of two bodies? What would that be like?

It doesn't seem right that the mere fact that matter is exactly the same, that it is belonging to the first of that system.
 
Vegeta897 said:
But pesh just said YOU yourself wouldn't realise you're in a different body. But now you're saying you die and a new consiousness is created with the exact memories etc. as you had when you died.

Which the **** is it!?

The new consiousness would act as if the teleportation had worked and everything, but it's not my original consiousness. It's a new one. So I myself would never be able to experience a teleport myself all the way through. A new consiousness is created that isn't mine, but is exactly like mine.

Freakin' confusing.
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It depends. Consciousness is a subjective state experienced by an entity receiving and processing input. If you were cloned with the exact state of your brain intact in both cases, both you and your clone would be conscious entities.

Also, if you suddenly received wireless input from another body, you would experience yourself in that body, rather than your own. You could even receive input from a computer and find your "self" in a virtual world. Even creepier, a conscious computer could receive input from your senses and perceive itself as being inside you.
 
Vegeta897 said:
So I'm suddenly aware of and in control of two bodies? What would that be like?

It doesn't seem right that the mere fact that matter is exactly the same, that it is belonging to the first of that system.
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No. There would be two entities processing different sets of data. "You" would perceive that nothing happened, while the other entity would perceive himself teleported to another location. In short, you would become two identical people, but you would not perceive any changes in your own state of consciousness.
 
How would my brain cope with those new impulses? Would it feel weird to be controlling several sets of ins and outs? I'd be aware of it, right? Would I be less efficient because my brain is having to deal with more?

edit: OK then, that's what I thought. So teleporting humans is impossible. If you want to be aware of it that is.

It's basically suicide. A suicide that only you are aware of.

That's some ****ing huge moral debate material.

The clone on the other end would think the teleportation went successfully. So weird to think about, ****.
 
That raises an interesting question. If you were indeed experiencing two sets of input from different bodies you would likely be very disoriented. Your brain would perceive each sense simultaneously from both sources, and since the sources would be identical, it would not be able to differentiate between the two. What would probably happen is you would receive a sort of "flickering" effect between each source. The brain is very good at putting together distinct sources of information into a coherent "meaning", but in some cases it simply gets confused.

Take for instance car sickness. If you are reading something from a page while in a car, your brain will be confused about whether it is stationary, reading something you are holding, or moving. This dissonance causes you to become disoriented or even sick. If you experienced yourself in two places at once, it would probably make you very, very confused.

But in any case, if you were cloned via teleportation, there would simply be two copies of you, with two different conciousnesses, not one of you controlling two bodies.
 
I don't quite understand how you can receive input remotely like that... How do electric impulses travel through no medium like that? Is it instant? Speed of light? Getting into even more interesting situations there.
 
Vegeta897 said:
So I'm suddenly aware of and in control of two bodies? What would that be like?

It doesn't seem right that the mere fact that matter is exactly the same, that it is belonging to the first of that system.
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There is no way the original you would be preserved, no matter what, you are going to be destroyed, when you take information from an atom, you change its properties, theres no way around it.
 
Vegeta897 said:
The new consiousness would act as if the teleportation had worked and everything, but it's not my original consiousness. It's a new one. So I myself would never be able to experience a teleport myself all the way through. A new consiousness is created that isn't mine, but is exactly like mine.
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Yes. That sums up what I think would happen. But then again we're all just speculating...


Also I find the idea that your consciousness could somehow magically jump from the disintegrated body into the brand new one (devoid of consciousness) at the destination, absolutely ridiculous.
 
Vegeta897 said:
I don't quite understand how you can receive input remotely like that... How do electric impulses travel through no medium like that? Is it instant? Speed of light? Getting into even more interesting situations there.
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Theoretically, you could put tiny silicon electrodes at the end of each sensory neuron, and then send the impulses to a wireless router, which would then send them to electrodes in your brain, which would stimulate them and make you perceive the same signals that the sensory neurons of the other body are creating.

Unfortunately this does entail billions and billions of separate electrodes,each on a different neuron, which is simply not possible with today's technology.

It is an interesting thought experiment nonetheless.

In this case it would not be instant, but limited by the speed of the router, the electrodes, and the signal through air. You would probably experience a slight delay, and if it were large enough it would make you feel very strange indeed.
 
Exactly. There's too many problems with that. Mostly because the original body doesn't need to be destroyed, so what happens is just unknown.
 
Vegeta897 said:
I don't quite understand how you can receive input remotely like that... How do electric impulses travel through no medium like that? Is it instant? Speed of light? Getting into even more interesting situations there.
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Instantly, as in at once, immediately, A.S.A.P, regardless of distance. Regardless of the speed of light. Instantly. Sure would lower your ping** on the 'net, eh?

So, what is strange about this? Photons travel at the speed of light. Einsteins theory of relativity states that the closer to the speed of light a body, object, particle etc travels, the slower that bodys internal clock passes. So when travelling at the speed of light, time shouldn't be an issue, right? Ping.

Again. Since photons are the speed of light, they are at their source and their destination at the same time. Not for us viewers, but for the particle | wave that make up the photon.

If you can accept this, then Quantum "teleportation" shouldn't be so hard to accept and understand. Do something with one photon that is, internally, somehow still in contact with its genesis, therefore still in contact with its 'twin' photon. Look at it this way, and it is almost easy to understand the phenomenon.
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http://www.geocities.com/grymse/quantum.html

this explains it very well
 
What would happen if say, there was a power surge, or some other mechanical failure of some type and the teleporter malfunctioned which causes the resulting incomplete teleportation to fail miserably?! :O Scary just thinking about it really. You could wind up being partially "deconstructed" and not have any skin, or only have half of your torso ( :eek:!!!) which could mean a slow, agonizing death. No thanks. teleportation for materials maybe, but not humans. Also consider the sterility during the deconstruction phaze. Don't any of you remember what happened on that movie "TheFly"?!?! You would also probably have to be naked and clean shaved, as being "accidentally" merged into the molecules of your clothing, hair, and jewelry would probably kill you. (or the clone replica, whichever) The only way human teleportation could work is if it utilized "trans-dimensional manipulation" like the teleporters used in the Half-Life series' local teleporters instead of the "matter obliteration and transfer" method imo.
 
You're all thinking about it way too much. God, people are so... egotistical to think humanity is somehow above the laws of physics. Like we're special or something.

We're just small balls bouncing around, n shit.
 
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