"Perv-oriented gamer-nerds play Mass Effect"

[CptStern]

It's called "Mass Effect" and it allows its players - universally male no doubt - to engage in the most realistic sex acts ever conceived. One can custom design the shape, form, bodies, race, hair style, breast size of the images they wish to "engage" and then watch in crystal clear, LCD, 54 inch screen, HD clarity as the video game "persons" hump in every form, format, multiple, gender-oriented possibility they can think of.

The objections to such filth should be simple to understand.

I hear the libertarian Ron Paul's answer already, "Government has no business censoring freedom of expression." Figures, he's a libertarian.

In the race for President there has been a lot of discussion about faith and it's impact on the lives of the individual candidate.

Yet here's a question that deserves to be asked, and in all likelihood will not be: "How much moral judgement should the President push into legislative issues that are likely to severely damage our children's innocence, function, and capability?"

I hear the nay-sayers claiming I'm being the wild and crazed Bible thumper I've always been - but its a worthwhile question isn't it?

If a pre-teen, teen, young adult, or adult male plays such a game in which the women DO submit without choice, are made to appear as Barbie streetwalkers, and perform whatever act can be imagined, what's to stop that same male from assuming that the women in his "other world" shouldn't be forced to do the same.

We now know because of the lengthy track record of serial killer after another that addictive use of pornography was prevalent in case after case - long before the switch got flipped and what their masturbatory imaginations have given into became what they were forcing real live human beings to do.

And because of the digital chip age in which we live - "Mass Effect" can be customized to sodomize whatever, whoever, however, the game player wishes.

With it's "over the net" capabilities virtual orgasmic rape is just the push of a button away.

so Mass Effect is a sodomy/rape simulator involving heterosexual/homosexual customisable aliens? ..I'd pre-order if the game wasnt already out


so the internets reacted to his idiotic blog ..more specifically perv-oriented gamer-nerds ...errr Mass Effect fans

The Gamer-Nerd universe exploded in anger over the tone and a couple of the specifics of my most recent column, "The 'Sex Box' Race for President."

If the few who wrote me are indicative of the rest of the gaming universe, we know at least they have passion - for their toy-boxes...

Repeatedly they challenged me, called me names, and used some of the most stimulating intellect I've seen to date to point out my error on a point of substance/possibly two...

Here's a sample of the Gamer-Nerds at their finest (directed at me...):

I hope someone hits you over the head with a dictionary, putting you into a coma. The financial strain on your family would eventually force your son to sell his video games. Your son would have to go several years without a father figure in his life, giving him a handful of psychological and emotional complexes.

Then, years later when you wake up from your coma, you find your son to be a full-blown adult. He lives far away now. You track him down to let him know that youre back. You meet up with his lovely friend Jim, whom he must blow for drug money. You try to change his ways, but he wont budge.

It all comes to a climax when he bludgeons you to death in a particularly heated argument. He then empties your pockets, strips you naked, sodomizes your corpse and uses his connections in the rough part of town to have your body dumped, leading Police to believe you picked up a tranny, were robbed, and then killed.

http://kevinmccullough.townhall.com/blog/g/ad4fece3-3a1e-42bd-8546-295599024191

umm I tend to agree with the perv-oriented gamer nerd: that scenario is very likely ..I mean wouldnt you if you were his son?


"sorry dad but after I bludgeons you I'm going to have fun with your corpse cuz I'm a perv-oriented gamer nerd and that's what we do"



I fail to understand how someone could be so ****ing stupid ..that's the problem with the internets: people who otherwise wouldnt be given the time of day in any capacity are given an audience by the inflammatory nonsense they post on the interwebs

 

[Darkside55]

Who cares? No really, who gives a shit? Just one more evangelical loony spewing off about video games.

I think it's safe to say that all these threads are rather formulaic: here's some shit this guy said, then we file in here and start yelling about how wrong it is, ultimately to no effect nor benefit of either us nor the guy writing this crap. So no offense at all to mon capitan for posting it, but really, who gives one flying f*ck? Don't even bother discussing or ranting about it, people.

 

[Kyorisu]

With it's "over the net" capabilities virtual orgasmic rape is just the push of a button away.

My arse it's that easy. Normal porn (read: real humans) is far easier to find than this so called virtual orgasmic rape which I have yet to find. Although Rapelay comes pretty damn close.

Darkside: But ranting is fun.

 

[CptStern]

Who cares? No really, who gives a shit? Just one more evangelical loony spewing off about video games.

I think it's safe to say that all these threads are rather formulaic: here's some shit this guy said, then we file in here and start yelling about how wrong it is, ultimately to no effect nor benefit of either us nor the guy writing this crap. So no offense at all to mon capitan for posting it, but really, who gives one flying f*ck? Don't even bother discussing or ranting about it, people.

why not? regardless if we respond to it or not it WILL be seen, if not by us then by people who support his pov ..the sooner we/gamers silence their disinformation meant to inflame the better. These people are not going away, in fact they're growing ..so we/gamers wont be able to stay silent forever

 

[Fliko]

Realistic sex acts? That's hilarious.
I thought the Mass Effect scene was just a black screen with some noises? That guy needs to get laid more.

 

[Pesmerga]

He's got a 54 inch LCD screen? Nice!

 

[CptStern]

He's got a 54 inch LCD screen? Nice!

reading comprehension ftl: he's saying gamers have 54" screens

 

[Pesmerga]

That's not... nevermind.

/dickpalm

 

[Kyorisu]

I watch my virtual pron on a 22" screen. Shows what he knows.

 

[Slug Advisor]

I Lol'd. Then I was able to fully comprehend how ridiculous this is, so I Rofl'd.

 

[knut]

I know Mass Effect has taken some flak for it's ''sex scene'', but what takes the cake about this particular idiot is how ****ing wrong he is.

'' ...and then watch in crystal clear, LCD, 54 inch screen, HD clarity as the video game "persons" hump in every form, format, multiple, gender-oriented possibility they can think of.''

Sorry, what? It wouldn't be so bad if the guy was just running the same old sex scene argument but he's really morphing it into something it's quite clearly not. It's a fething black screen and you see an ass. Seriously, play the game before you go ranting about it.

 

[CptStern]

but he talked to someone who played the game ..it's exactly the same thing right?

5. The major criticism the Gamer-Nerds had for me in their reaction was this challenge: "Unless you've spent the 20 hours of game time it takes to get to the explicit scenes, keep your fat mouth shut!" Many challenges stated that unless I played it myself then I had no business pointing out its objectionably content. Would they say the same of a strip club at the end of their block or hookers knocking at their door? (Well maybe sexually repressed gamer-nerds would...) Normal people would not. There is an innate instinct that tells us right from wrong, it's called a conscience. Did I play the game? No. Did I talk to some gamers who had and who knew the possibilities of the game. Yes! Does it make the lesbian, alien, hetero, homo sex that a player arrives at in the game a proper thing for teenagers to be tantalized by? Absolutely not!

I havent met him but having talked to people who may have talked to him the only conclusion I could possibly leap to is that he is a pedo or at the very least eats babies

 

[Pesmerga]

Hey guys! I'm the ESRB rating! I've been put on a lot of game titles, even Mass Effect! I'm the industry standard that most retailers abide by in order to sell games with me on it!

This ensures that the game developer can not be held responsible for the content of their products, and that audiences are of the appropriate age to view said content! I know, I know, I can be somewhat questionable sometimes with regards to morality, but I follow a strong sense of legality, a concrete stance set by the majority!

Wikipedia defines me as M — Mature: Contains content that is considered unsuitable for children under 17 years old. Titles in this category may contain intense violence such as blood and gore, sexual references and/or strong language. Many retailers (such as Target and Wal-Mart in the United States, Future Shop in Canada, and Best Buy in both countries) have a policy of not selling games with this rating to people under the age of 17 without parental presence and approval. The most common genres with this rating are first-person shooters, fighting games, and games with adult content.

Perhaps we should outlaw pornographic material, alcohol, sex toys, strip clubs, and every game with slight sexual allusions!

 

[Druckles]

*Googles Mass-Effect*

*read's article*

*laughs manically*

 

[Raziaar]

This if ****ing outrageous. I say the producer/developer should file a lawsuit for slander against their title, since it's nothing but a completely derogatory not to mention FALSE accusation that the games are nothing more than porn Simulators.

What the ****, who lets these dip shits publish these articles?

Give me their e-mail address and phone number.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

I just checked the sex scene out on youtube, as I'd never seen it.


...is that it? Is that what people are getting upset over? There's more bare flesh in Disney movies for god's sake!

 

[Deleted member 56031]

I just checked the sex scene out on youtube, as I'd never seen it.


...is that it? Is that what people are getting upset over? There's more bare flesh in Disney movies for god's sake!

This.

As usual people on their soapbox just to ***** and complain about **** they don't understand.

 

[CrazyHarij]

game sales are gonna fly through the roof. happened here with postal 2

 

[Darkside55]

why not? regardless if we respond to it or not it WILL be seen, if not by us then by people who support his pov ..the sooner we/gamers silence their disinformation meant to inflame the better. These people are not going away, in fact they're growing ..so we/gamers wont be able to stay silent forever

Bahahahaha.

Wait, I'm sorry, I'm so s-sorry, I just canHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

*breathe*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...ah...aha...ahhh. *wipes tear*

You must be joking or unaware of where you are and who we as gamers are. What're we gonna do, huh? HEY HL2.NET, WHAT'RE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?! HUNH? Gonna, gonna get a little mad? Gonna rant on the internet, on a gaming forum no less where you're preaching to the choir? Gonna get righteously indignant and fume a lot then ultimately do absolutely jack shit? Hahaha, jesus. Sorry Stern, I'm not laughing at you. I ain't laughing at you, but...I mean come on. Gamers are a f*cking apathetic lot. We're just gonna get mad and complain about how mad we are to all the wrong people.

And you think the media will pick up our opinion? You think gamers are going to go to the newspapers, or CNN, or even Oprah? Pfft. Nobody'd listen to us even if we did; we're still the closet shut-ins, buncha kids or wannabe kids playing them there murder simulators and virtual reality pornos.

No, there'll be no gamers rising up and speaking out today. Or ever.

 

[CptStern]

Bahahahaha.

Wait, I'm sorry, I'm so s-sorry, I just canHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

*breathe*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...ah...aha...ahhh. *wipes tear*

You must be joking or unaware of where you are and who we as gamers are. What're we gonna do, huh? HEY HL2.NET, WHAT'RE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?! HUNH? Gonna, gonna get a little mad? Gonna rant on the internet, on a gaming forum no less where you're preaching to the choir? Gonna get righteously indignant and fume a lot then ultimately do absolutely jack shit? Hahaha, jesus. Sorry Stern, I'm not laughing at you. I ain't laughing at you, but...I mean come on. Gamers are a f*cking apathetic lot. We're just gonna get mad and complain about how mad we are to all the wrong people.

And you think the media will pick up our opinion? You think gamers are going to go to the newspapers, or CNN, or even Oprah? Pfft. Nobody'd listen to us even if we did; we're still the closet shut-ins, buncha kids or wannabe kids playing them there murder simulators and virtual reality pornos.

No, there'll be no gamers rising up and speaking out today. Or ever.

meh for fatalism before you even try ..apathy I can understand but thinking you have no voice is just an excuse for laziness/poor self esteem

if only rosa parks had thought she was only one person and unable to make a difference ..or jack thompson or ****nuts who spew their viritrol on the interwebs for anyone to hear ..hey we can slam this idiot all we want but at least he had the balls to stand up for his convictions

 

[Vegeta897]

As unfortunate as it is, Darkside is right.

Though I really don't think it's going to become a problem worth caring about. If concern for videogames grows too large someone who actually has a brain and who DOES have that kind of power will be able to voice what gamers want to say.

 

[CptStern]

there isnt a single presidential candidate in the upcoming election that doesnt have curbing/regulating/.addressing violence in media as at least part of their platform ..what began with nutjobs like Jack Thompson will end in congress; it's inevitable

 

[Vegeta897]

And gamers are supposed to do what about a president's opinion?

It's a given that gamers are against any negative views on videogames... They already know this... Us telling them that isn't going to change anything. Don't you think if something really serious happened to video games, developers and publishers would have a much easier time making a stand? It's their concern too.

 

[CptStern]

his opinion is molded by his constituents, lobby groups and whomever yells loudest from their soapbox ..gamers have virtually NO cohesive voice

in any event there is not a single reason why this should go unreported just because some guy on the internet thinks his opinion doesnt matter ..well with that attitude it's plain to see that's correct: his opinion doesnt matter because he cant even bothered to voice it himself

 

[Vegeta897]

So why did you even bring that up?

We're all on the same team Stern I'm just trying to understand it here.

 

[Darkside55]

You also need to realize, especially when you throw in things like, "If only rosa parks had thought she was only one person and unable to make a difference," that she had the NAACP behind her, and thus the entire black community. A mobilized standing.

You're trying to mobilize gamers on the interbutt. Will not work, I tell you. It won't work until there's the most drastic and dire need and even then I highly doubt it.

And again you have to understand peoples' opinion of us. Let me ask you this:

If I were to walk down the street and poll people about their opinion of video gamers, what do you think their responses would be? If I were to ask them about famous video gamers, who do you think they would say they knew? If I were to ask them about gamers in the news, what subjects do you think they'd talk about, hmm?

Everyone thinks gamers are a morally reprehensible and violent breed. You think anyone knows that gamers, through Penny Arcade's Child's Play charity have raised over $1 million dollars for children in hospitals? No, they don't.

But they know a few gamers nearly a decade ago shot up a f*cking school.

So get real, please. I'm not being a fatalist, I'm being a realist. Nobody wants our opinion.

 

[CptStern]

You also need to realize, especially when you throw in things like, "If only rosa parks had thought she was only one person and unable to make a difference," that she had the NAACP behind her, and thus the entire black community. A mobilized standing.

and? there had been other cases and it wasnt her motivation anyways

People always say that I didn't give up my seat because I was tired, but that isn't true. I was not tired physically, or no more tired than I usually was at the end of a working day. I was not old, although some people have an image of me as being old then. I was forty-two. No, the only tired I was, was tired of giving in.

You're trying to mobilize gamers on the interbutt.

what? says who? if that were true why would I come to hl2.net? we couldnt be more lazy if we tried

Will not work, I tell you.

it doesnt have to ..posting information isnt always about getting immediate results but rather planting seeds ..i mean would you rather not know what the enemy is up to?

It won't work until there's the most drastic and dire need and even then I highly doubt it.

because of self-defeatist attitudes ..I mean if a small group of people can achieve chanfge (history is littered with them) why couldnt we do the same if given the right motivation ..and again I'm not recruiting hl2.net ..the majority isnt activist material

And again you have to understand peoples' opinion of us. Let me ask you this:

If I were to walk down the street and poll people about their opinion of video gamers, what do you think their responses would be? If I were to ask them about famous video gamers, who do you think they would say they knew? If I were to ask them about gamers in the news, what subjects do you think they'd talk about, hmm?

again who's fault is that? we perpetuate what other people think of us ..we literally have no voice ..film has it's lobbyists, it's legitimacy in artistic circles, we have none of that becausa we've never fought for respectability ..so until we earn that right we're just going to be ignored as just another frivilous past time ..being incorrectly pidgeon holded doesnt sit right with me

Everyone thinks gamers are a morally reprehensible and violent breed.

nah, nerds and losers first

You think anyone knows that gamers, through Penny Arcade's Child's Play charity have raised over $1 million dollars for children in hospitals? No, they don't.

it doesnt matter because that would be seen as a niche anyways because the vast majority of gamers dont involve themselves with charity

But they know a few gamers nearly a decade ago shot up a f*cking school.

because no one bothered to set them straight ..look right after the Vtech massacre idiots like Dr Phil were blaming video games saying they were most likely involved somehow ..when it was revealed that they had nothing to do with it do you they retracted their statements? did the industry call them out as charlatans and knee jerk reactionists? no they ignored it like they ignore every other positive report on video games

So get real, please. I'm not being a fatalist, I'm being a realist. Nobody wants our opinion.

because we/you cant be bothered to give it ..look in public if I hear someone say something stupid about video games I correct them and make them look like a tool ..why couldnt gamers do the same thing?

 

[Darkside55]

Honestly I'd rather I didn't know what the "enemy" was up to, mainly because none of these "enemies" have ever posed a significant threat to gaming.

You're also agreeing with my point by talking about how nobody in media picked up that the Vtech shooting had nothing to do with gaming. They won't listen to us because they simply don't care.

Also it doesn't matter if charity-giving gamers is a niche. Have you ever given to a charity at all in your life? You're a gamer, aren't you? I personally give to lots of charities, and I'm a gamer. Niche or not, $1 million to the sick isn't something to scoff at; if anything could turn peoples' opinions on us it's news like that. But guess what? It doesn't make it into the news, or enough news. If you look at the press that's picked up that story it's mostly gaming sites.

So so what if you turn one person's opinion out in the public about video games? That's one person. Maybe you do it a couple times, that's a couple people. But the vast majority of people, yeah, they see as as geeks and losers and murderers and filth panderers and threats to society. And we're not going to "fight for respectability." We're just not, man.

You see me as being defeatist and fatalist and that I'm being a downer, but I'm just telling you what to really expect. Doesn't matter if you're not trying to recruit HL2.net, doesn't matter who you try to go to. You could appeal to all gamers everywhere and you'd get the same outcome.

 

[VictimOfScience]

I wish I could customize my character that much! I would spend days and weeks just trying to get the netherfolds just right (yes, I my virtual alter ego was a HOT blonde woman). Oops! Strike that remark--wouldn't want anyone mistaking me for a gamer-nerd-prev or anything.

Seriously though, this is the kind of thing I expect from folks like Mrs. Clinton and the FOX news team, so its business as usual. It is a frightening shame, however, how many people listen to these loudmouths rant about things of which they have no real knowledge. :hmph:

 

[Cormeh]

Be forewarned - I will talk of some Mass Effect spoilers, so read at your own risk.

1. "The most realistic sex acts..." - from the YouTube footage I saw, I still concur, to me these acts are the most realistic put in video games - that I have seen. In the lesbian version one woman's hand appears to stimulate the crotch of the other passing between the legs. Today many of the more perv-oriented gamer-nerds took delight in describing for me the detailed description of games they claim are MORE realistic... Ok fine, I'll take them at their word, but for me the statement stands...[/b]

Hahahaha, how about that being either a male or female Shepard allows you to execute people in public; punch out female journalists and greviously harm innocent civilians? Rather than do the usual dead-end nitpicking of games in this area one of the most tame and least relevant scenes in the game is picked apart for something it really isn't.

2. "One can custom design the shape, form, bodies, race, hair style, breast size of the images..." Evidently the only thing I got wrong on this was the breast size, though I would like someone to explain to me how the female characters end up having different sizes again on the YouTube footage I witnessed with my own eyes... But the rest of it was true. race, hair style, color - etc.

WRONG.

3. "...the video game "persons" hump in every form, format, multiple, gender-oriented possibility they can think of."

WRONG.

since the makers of Mass Effect decided to throw in a little alien booty both hetero and homo it seems to me that they covered the range. Would these gamer-nerds have preferred that the game included bestiality?

LOL WUT?

Later in the column I make a reference to being able to perform sex acts, homo and hetero, with whomever... Ok - you can't have sex with every single character in the game... But between copulating with Aliens, girl on girl, guy on girl, and according to my gamer-nerd friends who I checked with - it does not take a great deal of manipulation to add a few extra "kinks" to the mix for those who know a little bit about such things

Again, WRONG. Mass Effect doesn't have a button that whips Shepard's cock/tits out. There's no pre-meditated sexual theme running through the game.

4. They (the gamer-nerds) also took outrageous umbrage to the claims I made in the column that the game is marketed to teen-age boys. (Though many of those giving me feedback happened to be under the age of 17/18.) The common argument is that because the game is marked "M" that means that no kid under 17/18 (depending on your state) would be allowed access to it. Asinine thinking through and through though. Simply like the fact that movie theaters are this night allowing children underage to purchase tickets, refusing to ask for ID, these games are being sold over the counter by the major chain stores with no enforcement of the age limit suggestions posted on the games themselves. The Gamer-Nerds act as though the packaging itself is all the responsibility that needs to be taken. Of course they themselves probably started hiding their collection of Hustler Magazine under their beds when they were eleven and have thus a good idea of how the "letter of the law" differs from the "intent." Thus the explanation of why they were so sore with me for pointing out the obvious. The silly "M" label stands for, and accomplishes precious little.

So like, write a letter to your local cinema or something. Christ.

5. The major criticism the Gamer-Nerds had for me in their reaction was this challenge: "Unless you've spent the 20 hours of game time it takes to get to the explicit scenes, keep your fat mouth shut!" Many challenges stated that unless I played it myself then I had no business pointing out its objectionably content. Would they say the same of a strip club at the end of their block or hookers knocking at their door? (Well maybe sexually repressed gamer-nerds would...) Normal people would not. There is an innate instinct that tells us right from wrong, it's called a conscience. Did I play the game? No.

That says it all really. He "researched" his article on 20 seconds (IF THAT) of game footage showing a bare arse and a blue chick.

Did I talk to some gamers who had and who knew the possibilities of the game. Yes! Does it make the lesbian, alien, hetero, homo sex that a player arrives at in the game a proper thing for teenagers to be tantalized by? Absolutely not!

Oh dear god, make it stop.

Midway through the column I turn to a vision of where such games will lead to in the future, more games using sex as an enticement, more vivid graphics, more, more, more... That is what gamers ascribe to right? Alternate universes where they can escape this world and become caught up in the pursuit of whatever...

Talk about alarmist nutjob. Oops, hang on. Mass Effect has opened the floodgates for a new genre - the sex game! It's never been done yet!

I also find it laughable that he refers to anyone who's picked up a controller as "gamer-nerds". What the hell, pal? It's like a child throwing names around.

 

[Krynn72]

Perv-oriented isnt even grammatically correct. He should go back to school and learn english, and then die in a fatal car accident on the way to his graduation.

 

[Vegeta897]

and? there had been other cases and it wasnt her motivation anyways

Gamers dont have anywhere near that amount of motivation, and you are plain foolish to think they either do or can obtain it without something VERY drastic happening first. AKA what darkside is saying.

it doesnt have to ..posting information isnt always about getting immediate results but rather planting seeds ..i mean would you rather not know what the enemy is up to?

Like I said, these "seeds" you're "planting" (totally unclear as to what you're actually doing here) are irrelevant because it's going to have the same outcome when (if) gamers are pushed to far to gain enough motivation to do anything about it. They're going to DO something, and these "seeds" aren't going to help at all, nobody cares.

because of self-defeatist attitudes ..I mean if a small group of people can achieve chanfge (history is littered with them) why couldnt we do the same if given the right motivation ..and again I'm not recruiting hl2.net ..the majority isnt activist material

Such a group of people wouldn't need encouragement from anyone else. They'd be the ones doing something about it already.

again who's fault is that? we perpetuate what other people think of us ..we literally have no voice ..film has it's lobbyists, it's legitimacy in artistic circles, we have none of that becausa we've never fought for respectability ..so until we earn that right we're just going to be ignored as just another frivilous past time ..being incorrectly pidgeon holded doesnt sit right with me

You just said it yourself, we have no voice. That's not by choice. We simply DON'T have one. Nobody would listen to us, as proven already in the past. Agreed, we should be fighting for it, but it's not going to happen, returning the the original point here.

nah, nerds and losers first

These two attributes have nothing to do with anything and nobody cares, so yes Darkside is right, the most prominent and important stigma we hold in their view is a violent group (that's not to say everyone and their mother thinks we are all violent).

Omitted points have been sufficiently addressed by darkside.

 

[CptStern]

Gamers dont have anywhere near that amount of motivation, and you are plain foolish to think they either do or can obtain it without something VERY drastic happening first. AKA what darkside is saying.

you're basically reiterating the same thing Darkside said: "we cant do anything so why bother trying" ..of course nothing is done because of attitudes such as that ..of course Rosa Parks had more motivation but where do people like Leeland Yee or hell even Jack Thompson draw their motivation from? I dont even think something big would motivate gamers ..perhaps a small vocal core group of gamers but not gamers as a whole ..that's too wide an audience across too big a demographic ..but it doesnt hurt to be aware of the issues affecting our hobby or is not being ignorant too much to ask?

Like I said, these "seeds" you're "planting" (totally unclear as to what you're actually doing here) are irrelevant because it's going to have the same outcome when (if) gamers are pushed to far to gain enough motivation to do anything about it. They're going to DO something, and these "seeds" aren't going to help at all, nobody cares.

obviously people care, this thread has a lot of outraged reactions, in fact I've seen this posted a dozen times throughout the interwebs today and the reaction is pretty much the same across the board ..just because it doesnt matter to YOU or to darkside doesnt mean it doesnt matter to the rest of us ..you do not speak for everyone

Such a group of people wouldn't need encouragement from anyone else. They'd be the ones doing something about it already.

it doesnt matter if they recieve no support they go nowhere ..you seem to be saying "why bother knowing anything about what faces our hobby because someone sooner or later will do something about it because I sure as hell cant be bothered ..so I'll pass the buck on to someone else" - if that's the attitude you want to have, that's fine ..just dont expect everyone else to follow suit

You just said it yourself, we have no voice. That's not by choice. We simply DON'T have one. Nobody would listen to us, as proven already in the past. Agreed, we should be fighting for it, but it's not going to happen, returning the the original point here.

...because we have no voice ..that's a conscious effort ..we consciously choose to allow this misinformation to said about us because we couldnt be bothered to prove them wrong ..if no one listens it's because we havent spoken loud enough ..the problem is that the industry is quite content on letting it happen because publishers dont want to shoot themselves in the foot by provoking an argument that may hurt them financially ..no one wants to take the side of violence influencing children because such a stance hurts the bottom line

These two attributes have nothing to do with anything and nobody cares, so yes Darkside is right, the most prominent and important stigma we hold in their view is a violent group (that's not to say everyone and their mother thinks we are all violent).

perhaps in america where mass shootings are almost common place but speaking as a canadian I'd say that the common misconception is that we're all gamer-nerds

 

[Vegeta897]

You are aware of how easy it is to post an angry reaction on a forum, right? That doesn't indicate anything. Every single one of those people will forget about it 5 minutes after leaving the thread. It's the rant principle.

I know I don't speak for everyone. I'm giving my best guess on what's going to happen here. I myself am irrelevant to what's going to happen. Nothing has happened in the past when opportunities to speak out have represented themselves, and nothing will in the future unless things get worse. And if that isn't true, those who will speak out in the future have nothing to do with whatever positive attitude you're trying to spread. Gamers are aware of the problems. You haven't really proposed any solid gameplan to give gamers a voice, so I don't even know what to argue here.

*facepalm* you're missing the point on that last bit. Nobody CARES that we're gamer-nerds. It's not the "operating factor" so to speak. If someone HAD to come up with an IMPORTANT attribute of gamers, most people would say "they might be more violent than a non-gamer"

 

[CptStern]

You are aware of how easy it is to post an angry reaction on a forum, right? That doesn't indicate anything. Every single one of those people will forget about it 5 minutes after leaving the thread. It's the rant principle.

and? the next time they'll remember, we're not all stupid

I know I don't speak for everyone. I'm giving my best guess on what's going to happen here. I myself am irrelevant to what's going to happen. Nothing has happened in the past when opportunities to speak out have represented themselves, and nothing will in the future unless things get worse. And if that isn't true, those who will speak out in the future have nothing to do with whatever positive attitude you're trying to spread. Gamers are aware of the problems. You haven't really proposed any solid gameplan to give gamers a voice, so I don't even know what to argue here.

you make it sound like I'm on mission instead of simply reporting information ..not everything has to be a crusade but regardless if listen to the issues being discussed, they're still discussed ..Jack Thompson is quite well known for someone who hasnt affected change ..the next Jack Thompson wont find us to be that much of a pushover because we're better aware of the issues that face us ..but if no one reported these issues no one would know ..nothing is done in a vacuum

*facepalm* you're missing the point on that last bit. Nobody CARES that we're gamer-nerds. That's not an important issue. If someone HAD to come up with an IMPORTANT attribute of gamers, most people would say "they might be more violent than a non-gamer"

where? in the US or perhaps germany buit that's certainly not the norm in canada or I dare say most of europe ..we're still seen as a juvenile past time ..that in itself proves that attitudes are more about the illegitmacy of games as a creative medium than gamers as a threat to safety ..cooler heads usually prevail; most people dont see us as a powderkeg ready to blow ..if that were true parents wouldnt be buying video games for their kids ..I certainly wouldnt

 

[Vegeta897]

People in Canada or Europe are still aware of news that happens outside their country Stern.

I'm finding it harder to follow what you're saying because you seem to be providing more and more evidence that everything is OK, so I'll just agree with you and let you know that it's "effecting change" not "affecting change" (this is the second time I've noticed you make this mistake, heh. and no, i'm not trying to make you look like a fool or make fun of your for it, just trying to help)

 

[CptStern]

meh I'm big enough to admit my spelling isnt the greatest but that's at best a minor point ..in any event at least you're big enough to admit when you dont understand something ..I'm not about to restate it so no biggie

 

[Vegeta897]

Once again I was just stating it as a side note, not trying to get some kind of immature last stab because I'm leaving the argument. There's no need to act like "oh well we all have mistakes" i was just helping you lol.

fyi I don't take past grudges into things for unnecessary reasons. I've noticed you seem to act kind of sour toward me when we're not in the middle of an argument though. I could be wrong.

 

[Darkside55]

Point is Stern that ultimately I don't think that anyone cares about being informed about these types of things because the threads ultimately go nowhere. You say it matters to you, that it matters to people on these forums who get outraged, but the bottom line is that it matters for about the amount of time it takes to read the post, hit the reply button, type the post out, and leave the thread. Afterward it will only matter when the person returns to the thread to read replies.

I'll even prove how apathetic we are: you say you tell people off about gaming when you see them in the public; what else have you done to champion the cause for gamers? Likely nothing, which is about equal to what most of us have done.

We just don't give a shit man. You yourself can't even say you give a shit; reporting doesn't mean you care enough to be motivated. When you start up a lobby for the Video Gamer's Voice, Stern, or find someone who has, you let me know. You let me know.

I will not be holding my breath in wait.

Talk about alarmist nutjob. Oops, hang on. Mass Effect has opened the floodgates for a new genre - the sex game! It's never been done yet!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leisure_Suit_Larry

F*ck, I spent an unreasonable amount of time writing a reply linking to twenty different sex games, talking about how I wasn't even scratching the surface and that the genre's been around forever, then I looked at your post again and realized you were being sarcastic. I'm going to take my sarcasm meter into the shop today for a fine-tuning; I should've picked up on that quicker than I did.

 

[Deleted member 56031]

They (the gamer-nerds) also took outrageous umbrage to the claims I made in the column that the game is marketed to teen-age boys. (Though many of those giving me feedback happened to be under the age of 17/18.) The common argument is that because the game is marked "M" that means that no kid under 17/18 (depending on your state) would be allowed access to it. Asinine thinking through and through though. Simply like the fact that movie theaters are this night allowing children underage to purchase tickets, refusing to ask for ID, these games are being sold over the counter by the major chain stores with no enforcement of the age limit suggestions posted on the games themselves. The Gamer-Nerds act as though the packaging itself is all the responsibility that needs to be taken. Of course they themselves probably started hiding their collection of Hustler Magazine under their beds when they were eleven and have thus a good idea of how the "letter of the law" differs from the "intent." Thus the explanation of why they were so sore with me for pointing out the obvious. The silly "M" label stands for, and accomplishes precious little.

**** sake this guy assumes alot doesn't he?

Stupid ****er. I also love how he calls all gamers nerds as if tey're a disease :|
Doesn't he know the average gamer is in his 20's anyway?

would they say the same of a strip club at the end of their block or hookers knocking at their door? (Well maybe sexually repressed gamer-nerds would...)

Alright I want to punch this ****** in the nuts.