Race X

[Angry Lawyer]

If you don't believe that the Xenians and Race X are fighting, then open up hammer, and compule a map with monster_agrunt and monster_shocktrooper in it. See what happens.

The Xenians and Race X were compiled with differing reaction tables. They WILL fight each other.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[ríomhaire]

If you don't believe that the Xenians and Race X are fighting, then open up hammer, and compule a map with monster_agrunt and monster_shocktrooper in it. See what happens.

The Xenians and Race X were compiled with differing reaction tables. They WILL fight each other.

-Angry Lawyer

BTW is it true that shock-roaches attack pit drones?

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Never really tried it. I doubt it - as far as I know, when Gearbox added Race X, they stuck them all in the relations group "Race X", which was hostile to everything except human fauna (so they didn't shoot cockroaches).

-Angry Lawyer

 

[eber]

i didnt say that race-X is combine -_-
i just mentioned that theres no clear evidence that race-x and xenians are enemies cos you base your theory on guesses . i dont say they arent true either. but i would rather suggest that race-x never happened at all

 

[Angry Lawyer]

They ARE enemies, and this is easily proven by placing both in an empty map. See what they do.

There's a difference between guesswork and provable theories.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Langolier]

You never see them actually fight in the game though. Infact the game play suggests they are one and the same. In the area by the artillery you see several vortigaunts warp in, then the Voltigores and more Vortiguants once you reach the artillery piece. True the Shocktroopers attack the Garg... We don't know much about him though.

 

[Sulkdodds]

I don't see why they'd bother putting them in different faction groups if they weren't hostile. That suggests they were going to have Xen vs R/X fights and they never bothered.

 

[ríomhaire]

Race-X are very differnet from Controllers anyway. Race-X seem amphipious and Contollers fly.

 

[Que-Ever]

ok here's what I think-
vortigaunts- slaves from some world, brought to xen by combine.
agrunts- like metrocops, which are just human volunteers under the influence of breen's water, or something. except the grunts were tampered with- biological armor, bulked up, etc.
race X- could have joined the combine willingly? and already pretty strong/cool/whatever, so didn't require any enhancements or mind control. Besides, anyone think that the voltigores look like synths, but iwth maybe less armor?
pit drones- don't seem sentient to me, more like animals. They look similar to the shocktroopers, in the way chimps are like humans, y'know.
and there's all the other stuff, gargs, tappers, mantas, all synths.

does xen even have any native creatures? headcrabs and bullsquids probably are, because bullsquids live in the murk on xen, and are too dumb to "figure out" they are able to eat headcrabs, it must be an adapted thing. Houndeyes? dunno.

that's kinda it... obviously not too clear, but I'm sorry.

 

[ríomhaire]

ok here's what I think-
vortigaunts- slaves from some world, brought to xen by combine.

Change combine to controllers

agrunts- like metrocops, which are just human volunteers under the influence of breen's water, or something. except the grunts were tampered with- biological armor, bulked up, etc.

They're clearly soldiers

race X- could have joined the combine willingly? and already pretty strong/cool/whatever, so didn't require any enhancements or mind control. Besides, anyone think that the voltigores look like synths, but iwth maybe less armor?

1: Proof that Race-X aren't Combine: Although Valve might have taken controlers and vorts into acount while designing the Combine they didn't take into acount Race-X because valve don't take into acount Gearbox stuff for the most.
2: voltigores do not look like synths, synths all mechanical augmentations.

pit drones- don't seem sentient to me, more like animals. They look similar to the shocktroopers, in the way chimps are like humans, y'know.
and there's all the other stuff, gargs, tappers, mantas, all synths.

Pit Drones are trained animals, the same with voltigores
Gargs, mantas and grunts are bio-engineered not synth.
Tappers?

does xen even have any native creatures?

No

headcrabs and bullsquids probably are, because bullsquids live in the murk on xen,

Horses aren't native to America(I think) but they live grand there

and are too dumb to "figure out" they are able to eat headcrabs, it must be an adapted thing.

I assume they ate things before going to Xen.

 

[Que-Ever]

voltigores do look like synths to me, the purple stripes on the back seem metallic-ish, and they shoot lightning. From their mouths. Wouldn't it be all wet in there? They'd shock themselves, everytime they shot.

By tappers I meant the big green tentacles, the ones in the rocket core. I couldn't think of what they were called.

yep, I think horses are native to spain...

Well, I bet bullsquids did eat before (obviously) but headcrabs would be a new creature, different from what they're used to, if anything they would avoid/defend themselves from the crabs, but not eat them.

 

[ríomhaire]

voltigores do look like synths to me, the purple stripes on the back seem metallic-ish, and they shoot lightning. From their mouths. Wouldn't it be all wet in there? They'd shock themselves, everytime they shot.

I've never seen a synth bleed, I've never seen a synth shoot lightning. Synths seem to almost all have pulse guns. And it has no clear mechanical augmentations. Houndeyes have shiny strips and vorts shoot lightning.

By tappers I meant the big green tentacles, the ones in the rocket core. I couldn't think of what they were called.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that they're fauna/flora

Well, I bet bullsquids did eat before (obviously) but headcrabs would be a new creature, different from what they're used to, if anything they would avoid/defend themselves from the crabs, but not eat them.

They needed to eat something and a smaller probably weaker creature comes along. Survival instict will make them seek out food.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

voltigores do look like synths to me

The mark of being a Synth is actually the beige/occasionally white carapace. Voltigores are fleshy, and have no carapace.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[UltimaApocalypse]

I'm going to get flamed for this but here we go:


Humans are very weak. Voltigores are big, strong, and can throw bio-grenades and such. Now let's say Race-X is a race that the combine took over, long ago. Now because Voltigores, Gene Worms, Those mini guys with pincers, ect. are already bug strong and have powerful abilities, theres no point to modifying them like they did with humans. Also, unless you think the Combine modified Nihilanth and the Vortigaunts, humans are the only race we see the Combine "improve". This would be because we as a race are very weak. What we don't have, we simply build.

 

[Polaris]

Voltigores are big, strong, and can throw bio-grenades and such.

They can't - they can only use their electric flash...

 

[Asknoone]

Now let's say Race-X is a race that the combine took over, long ago.

Highly unlikely, because they'd have come in with the Combine invasion force, not stand alone. I think Marc said they were from a completely different world to Xen, and, they won't be continued again, so I guess it doesn't matter anymore.

 

[Polaris]

I think Marc said they were from a completely different world to Xen, and, they won't be continued again, so I guess it doesn't matter anymore.

Its my guess too...but Valve maybe could make some small reference for me

 

[ríomhaire]

I'm going to get flamed for this but here we go:


Humans are very weak. Voltigores are big, strong, and can throw bio-grenades and such. Now let's say Race-X is a race that the combine took over, long ago. Now because Voltigores, Gene Worms, Those mini guys with pincers, ect. are already bug strong and have powerful abilities, theres no point to modifying them like they did with humans. Also, unless you think the Combine modified Nihilanth and the Vortigaunts, humans are the only race we see the Combine "improve". This would be because we as a race are very weak. What we don't have, we simply build.

The synths are species the Combine have 'improved'. And it's un-Combine enouf to have unmodified troops not to mention trained animals.

 

[UltimaApocalypse]

I meant the combine ordered them to attack or something. And I didn't say they were from Xen.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

My gawd, do you think EVERYTHING is from the Combine? I mean, first its the Xenians, and now Race X. Guess what - both Race X and the Xenians shot each other to pieces.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[UltimaApocalypse]

My gawd, do you think EVERYTHING is from the Combine? I mean, first its the Xenians, and now Race X. Guess what - both Race X and the Xenians shot each other to pieces.

-Angry Lawyer

Did I say they weren't killing each other? I witnessed that many, many times.

I know for a FACT that the Combine weren't on Xen!

 

[Asknoone]

I know for a FACT that the Combine weren't on Xen!

Winner. You are now probably Angry's favourite forumer.

 

[UltimaApocalypse]

Winner. You are now probably Angry's favourite forumer.

My dream come true =)