THE CAR: Reborn

[bigpapa400lb]

Does anyboy remember that movie the car that James Brolin was in
Heres a picture:

I swear the Mazda Furai looks just like a Futuristic version of it:

Damn

 

[Raziaar]

It looks like an evil grinning alien with eyes on the side.

 

[Naudian]

Oh look alienware made a car...

 

[Druckles]

Oh look alienware made a car...

+4*

 

[CyberPitz]

Rumors about that the Mazda RX-9 will be built off that body style with a 1.6 liter Rotary Engine! *drools*

 

[Cavalry]

Rumors about that the Mazda RX-9 will be built off that body style with a 1.6 liter Rotary Engine! *drools*

1.8 liters according to autoblog.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/28/rumormill-2012-mazda-rx-9-real-or-fake/

 

[AKIRA]

1.6? 1.8?? lol why so small thats like a civic

 

[CyberPitz]

1.6? 1.8?? lol why so small thats like a civic

1.3 liter rotaries are very powerful. You'll never find a 4 cylinder civic beat an rx7 The 1993 and on RX7s 1.3 liter engine pushes 255hp stock, on some pretty small turbos. Don't let the number fool ya, when you drive one, you'd fall in love

the 2.0 liters *3 rotors* push out a good ~300 hp naturally aspirated, while the 2.6 liters *4 rotors* push upwards to 400-500 N/A'd.

 

[AKIRA]

1.3 liter rotaries are very powerful. You'll never find a 4 cylinder civic beat an rx7 The 1993 and on RX7s 1.3 liter engine pushes 255hp stock, on some pretty small turbos. Don't let the number fool ya, when you drive one, you'd fall in love

the 2.0 liters *3 rotors* push out a good ~300 hp naturally aspirated, while the 2.6 liters *4 rotors* push upwards to 400-500 N/A'd.

wow..so they're great on gas, and they produce a lot of hp...why don't most manufacturers use rotary engines as well?

 

[CyberPitz]

wow..so they're great on gas, and they produce a lot of hp...why don't most manufacturers use rotary engines as well?

Well, unfortunately, they are bad on gas/emissions. Come the whole problem in the late 70s early 80s with companies being forced to look deeper into making their cars more fuel efficient with less emissions, they decided to scrap working on the rotary, and just work with their piston engines. Mazda was the only company that stuck with its guns, and are doing great work with it, but alas, it's still much short on gas economy and isn't too bad off with emissions. The RX-8 with the Renisis Rotary 1.3b powerplant is the best so far. It pushes over 200 HP N/A'd and has pretty decent gas with low emissions. So that is why most companies aren't producing it. It's complicated, and requires a lot of work to get it back up to par with the Piston engine, but I have faith, and they are showing a lot of promise with it.

*EDIT* and Mazda has shown that it's trying to keep it's sport background with the Rotary engine, so they aren't CONCENTRATING so hard making it the most fuel efficient motor around, sure they are doing what they can, but it's not their top project...too bad everything couldn't just fall into place

And this always makes me giggle about the 24 hour Le Mans run...

he rest of the 1980s was known for the dominance by Porsche under the new Group C race car formula which pushed for fuel efficiency. Originally running the effective 956, it was later replaced by the 962. Both chassis were cheap enough for privateers to purchase them en masse, leading to the two chassis winning six years in a row. Jaguar and Mercedes-Benz returned to sports car racing while an influx of Japanese manufacturer interest saw prototypes from Nissan and Toyota. However, Mazda's unique rotary-powered 787B would be the only manufacturer to succeed. For 1992 and 1993, Peugeot entered the sport and dominated the race as the Group C formula and World Sportscar Championship were fading in participation.

So much for the "Rotary's are the most 'break down' prone engines around" heh.

 

[AKIRA]

Well, unfortunately, they are bad on gas/emissions. Come the whole problem in the late 70s early 80s with companies being forced to look deeper into making their cars more fuel efficient with less emissions, they decided to scrap working on the rotary, and just work with their piston engines. Mazda was the only company that stuck with its guns, and are doing great work with it, but alas, it's still much short on gas economy and isn't too bad off with emissions. The RX-8 with the Renisis Rotary 1.3b powerplant is the best so far. It pushes over 200 HP N/A'd and has pretty decent gas with low emissions. So that is why most companies aren't producing it. It's complicated, and requires a lot of work to get it back up to par with the Piston engine, but I have faith, and they are showing a lot of promise with it.

*EDIT* and Mazda has shown that it's trying to keep it's sport background with the Rotary engine, so they aren't CONCENTRATING so hard making it the most fuel efficient motor around, sure they are doing what they can, but it's not their top project...too bad everything couldn't just fall into place

And this always makes me giggle about the 24 hour Le Mans run...



So much for the "Rotary's are the most 'break down' prone engines around" heh.

ahh, i see, well with 1.8L engines, it sure as hell won't cost much to fill it up at the pumps lol.

 

[[Matt]]

Rotary engines own for the simple reason that their proper name is the wankel engine! Best name ever!

Also here's an animation that explains how they work compared to piston engines...

their also tiny in comparison...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-MY-LwmEWI

 

[CyberPitz]

ahh, i see, well with 1.8L engines, it sure as hell won't cost much to fill it up at the pumps lol.

On my 1988 Turbo model, I really need to tune this car, as I only get ~200 miles on the tank *I boost too much *, which, with my 16 gallon tank, really hurts if I didn't live 8 blocks from work...so I fill up every couple weeks. But my N/A, also a piece of crap in the tune department, was getting 250-300 miles to the tank.

*EDIT* Ah, thank you Matt...I just love seeing the picture of the rotary...*Drools*

 

[AKIRA]

On my 1988 Turbo model, I really need to tune this car, as I only get ~200 miles on the tank *I boost too much *, which, with my 16 gallon tank, really hurts if I didn't live 8 blocks from work...so I fill up every couple weeks. But my N/A, also a piece of crap in the tune department, was getting 250-300 miles to the tank.

*EDIT* Ah, thank you Matt...I just love seeing the picture of the rotary...*Drools*

at 99cents/litre, it costs about 45$ to fill up my golf. I drive about 100km every day for 5 days straight for school, i have to fill it up every 4-5 days lol. It's actually pretty fuel efficient...driving in the city it usually takes me about 2 or so weeks to fill up. it's a 2.0L

 

[CyberPitz]

at 99cents/litre, it costs about 45$ to fill up my golf. I drive about 100km every day for 5 days straight for school, i have to fill it up every 4-5 days lol. It's actually pretty fuel efficient...driving in the city it usually takes me about 2 or so weeks to fill up. it's a 2.0L

Yeah, the Rotary is very lacking in the fuel department, but they make up for that with utter awesome speed.

 

[Cavalry]

Wanna know why no one uses the rotary engine (except mazda.)

Big oil companies wont allow it.

more gas mileage=less money making
They want more big trucks then tiny RX cars (even if they aren't the best at gas mileage)

we saw this when GM released the EV-1 in California
(although the EV-1 was an electric car.)

 

[CyberPitz]

Wait, are you saying the rotary engine is fuel efficient? So, nowadays, a car that gets 24 mpg on the highway and 15 on the city is efficient? If anything, the big oil companies would be like, "OMFG USE THAT ENGINE IT'S THE BEST!!!"

 

[AKIRA]

damn..are they working on making the rotary engine a bit more fuel efficient, yet retain its performance?

 

[CyberPitz]

damn..are they working on making the rotary engine a bit more fuel efficient, yet retain its performance?

They ARE trying, it's just really difficult. The way the entire engine is set up, it runs rich to begin with. I'm sure once enough time and money has been put into it like the piston engine, it will be fine. But as of now, that's that. I still prefer it to the Piston for the ease of working on it.

 

[Cavalry]

Wait, are you saying the rotary engine is fuel efficient? So, nowadays, a car that gets 24 mpg on the highway and 15 on the city is efficient? If anything, the big oil companies would be like, "OMFG USE THAT ENGINE IT'S THE BEST!!!"

Hummer would.....

and I am not comparing it to tiny Yaris's,Bb's,Fit's(Jazz)
but, chrysler, which uses HEMI's still should use a rotary engine.

 

[CyberPitz]

I figure once they start to work on it a little more, it will start to see more practical uses than the RX series, and random aircrafts