Uhm, gauss gun?

[Breydel]

Lol I just finished the game and realized I didn't have the gauss gun yet. I remember this blink video where you are in a room with Kleiner & Alyx and they give you the gauss gun. Did I just completely miss an entire level or something? Or was that entire scene taken out?

 

[Mechagodzilla]

In that video, they hand Gordon an assault rifle, not a tau cannon. It's still on the buggy, but the handheld version was cut.

 

[Breydel]

Nah, it wasn't an assault rifle. I clearly remember Kleiner saying he made some modifications so that the weapon was stable now (if you played HL1 you know the HL1 gauss gun is an experimental weapon and pretty unstable - it can blow up on you).

BTW I don't think I had anything in my 6th weapon slot either. Let's see if I recall it correctly :

1 - crow bar & gravity gun
2 - pistol & magnum
3 - assualt rifle & combine pulse rifle
4 - shotgun & crossbow
5 - hand grenade & rocket launcher
6 - bugbait

Ok that's 6 then but wasn't there a 7th slot? I could have sworn the bugbait was in the second last slot.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

It must have been an unofficial bink then, from the beta or something.

 

[azz0r]

It was in the beta and everything, it looked and worked great.

I really dont see why it was cut!

 

[Mouldy Punk]

1 - crow bar & gravity gun
2 - pistol & magnum
3 - assualt rifle & combine pulse rifle
4 - shotgun & crossbow
5 - hand grenade & rocket launcher
6 - bugbait

Dammit, is that all the weapons? That sucks I haven't finished the game so I was expecting more.

 

[DesertChicken]

Valve probably didn't want to mess with finding an excuse to leave ammo around. I mean, Freeman's not in Black Mesa anymore. There's no reason for the Combine to leave radioactive energy packs lying around.

 

[Breydel]

There seems to be so much that's been cut then.

- no gauss gun
- no OICW
- some video where you fight on the streets alongside Barney (where you see a combine somewhere high on a building being shot)
- some video where you see a strider cut through a big advertizement hanging over the street
- ...


Why was so much cut out?

 

[Ennui]

There seems to be so much that's been cut then.

- no gauss gun
- no OICW
- some video where you fight on the streets alongside Barney (where you see a combine somewhere high on a building being shot)
- some video where you see a strider cut through a big advertizement hanging over the street
- ...


Why was so much cut out?

To make the game flow smoother and be released sooner. Read the Final Hours of Half-Life 2.

The attack on the combine checkpoint is still there just modified somewhat.

 

[aoanla]

Well, you do get to use a Gauss gun for a while, only it's attached to the beach buggy. It would have been nice to have a hand-held version, I suppose, but then you do get to use the combine plasma rifle thingy... which isn't as cool, but has similar effects. Ish.

 

[Ecthe|ioN]

They might be saving quite a bit of juice for the third chapter of Half-Life :E As long as they don't announce a release date without being nearly finished with the game.

 

[Breydel]

Yeah I sure hope to see the gauss gun turn up in the first expansion pack. And while we're at it, the barnacle gun was mighty fun too in Opposing Force.

 

[Asknoone]

I hated the barnacle gun, so unrealistic

 

[Breydel]

Lol. I suppose porting to Zen is more realistic then?

 

[Ryjalon5k]

Lol. I suppose porting to Zen is more realistic then?

roflcopter, good point.

 

[DSDchemE]

The barnacle gun wasn't realistic because it meant that the barnacles could hold their tongue perfectly straight (which they never do naturally). Plus if you shot it at a target, then turned around and ran the opposite way (or any direction), the tongue would still travel in a straight line until it hit what it was originally aimed at.

Also, as for the tau cannon, I miss it too, but it just wouldn't be unrealistic to get it in the game. Last I heard, the only tau cannon was stolen from you by the g-man, and all the ammo was destroyed by a nuke. The g-man probably gave it to the resistance to give to you via the car. There was only one, and there still is only one, makes perfect sense to me. Ditto the gauss gun (which may have consumed way too much energy to make it efficient, hence the g-man kept it as a souvenir).

Same with the hornet gun. It was fantastic for killing weaker enemies, but since all the alien grunts were wiped out, it wouldn't make sense to find one just laying around 15 years later. Plus the one you had in HL1 may have died while you were in stasis.

OICW? Where would the resistance find a large number of the newest weapon out there? Instead, they combine rifle is present cause it's easy to acquire and ammo is prevalent.

Only thing I think they should do is add a sniper rifle. There's enemies using them, so it makes sense that you could find them. The crossbow makes sense cause it's a low tech weapon that the resistance could use until they got better weapons.

 

[Eejit]

I hated the barnacle gun, so unrealistic

Less realistic than hivehand, gluon gun or shockroach?

Less realistic than the story?

 

[MiccyNarc]

The barnacle gun is unrealistic because it doesn't obey the laws of gravity. o.0

 

[DSDchemE]

I think he meant that it didn't fit in with the story and everything you've seen about barnacles before then. You'd think that if barnacles could ignore gravity and shoot their tongue out they wouldn't just sit around waiting for prey. They'd instead attach to walls and fire at enemies from a distance. But no, we've never seen them do that. That's why I think the barnacle grapple was unrealistic. All the other things at least are consistant with the story (hivehand and shockroach behave the same with as they do with the enemy, and the gluon gun was found in a weapon design lab).

Edit: MiccyNarc beat me to it.

 

[Toy]

hey has any1 got the hl2 beta gauss model that they can send me?

 

[don_johnson]

I hated the barnacle gun, so unrealistic

i agree with samon on this one. how can you take an amimal and stick your hand up its ass, and expect it too respond to your commands

 

[MiccyNarc]

i agree with samon on this one. how can you take an amimal and stick your hand up its ass, and expect it too respond to your commands

Sigged :thumbs:

 

[Edcrab]

You've obviously never tried training your pets in that way.

The Barnacle was clever- particularily the alternate fire it featured in MP- just a bit arcadey for the HL universe in my view. Any kind of grappling hook would've been good, mind- not sure what for, just better than stealing a barnacle for some unfathombable reason...

 

[Asknoone]

It wasnt just the movements that made it unrealistic...it was just a ridiculous idea like Don said...

 

[OvA]

roll over boy! *shove*

 

[Mister_Pie]

That's hilarious don.

I was gonna say something similar but your phrasing of it was way superior!

 

[Cukel]

I have always been wondering how do you operate those alien weapons. Do you like stick your hand into its brain and poke some nerve or gland in there to make it shoot? Or what?

 

[O.G. GOaT]

I always thought the pulse rifle was the final result of the gauss gun Prototype, just less powerful and more stable. The one on the buggy is more or less the same as the prototype from HL1. Kliner or Eli just built the prototype from scratch making minor modification with what they could manage to salvage from the scrap around them.

The pulse rifle don’t use bullets, just energy, like the gauss.
The pulse rife and its big sister the helicopter’s machine gun are the final products that the human contingent of the combine developed by using the gauss gun prototype technology from black mesa.
IMO anyway.

 

[Sulkdodds]

If the pulse rifle doesn't fire bullets, why does it need such a huge clip? I think it probably uses plasma pulses to propel bullets (like the pulse rifle in Aliens). It must use bullets or else why would it make bullet holes and go 'vip' and 'spang' as its fire ricocheted off walls or metal nearby you?

As for the Gauss gun (or Tau Cannon, whatever) I would assume Eli and Kleiner didn't just forget how to make these weapons. If they could build a teleport they could build a Tau Cannon.

 

[TyrantII]

so, anyone notice that the gun on the cart is much less powerful then the orgininal in HL1? It can't take down a gunship, and fails to bounce off walls/go thru them, even when powered up.

I remember being able to take down the apache and osprey with the original. Kinda sad, wanted to take down the gunship with my turst gau gun

 

[O.G. GOaT]

i dont think they are bullets, look at the clips, they are too small, they look more like energy clips, they are round? maybe they are very small bullets? if they are traveling just bellow the speed of light, it dont matter how small they are tbh.

plus i think if you If you compress enough energy to a single point and shoot it at a high enough velocity , you will get virtually the same effect of a projectile, it would be a cheaper and more easily replenish able form of ammunition. No more wasting metal time/making bullets and shipping them to the field, just plug the clips in an energy socket and recharge.

any way the helicopter machine gun you get mounted on your boat is just a bigger version of the pulse rifle and that recharged it self like a energy weapon. maybe energy sound hybrid.

 

[Breydel]

"i agree with samon on this one. how can you take an amimal and stick your hand up its ass, and expect it too respond to your commands"

In the same way you perform some surgery on a dead animal and by holding one of its organs you have the (almost) entire species blindly obey your commands, even into death.


"As for the Gauss gun (or Tau Cannon, whatever) I would assume Eli and Kleiner didn't just forget how to make these weapons. If they could build a teleport they could build a Tau Cannon."

Good point.

 

[DSDchemE]

I think they forgot how to make the gauss gun cause neither of them worked in the weapon labs. But both of them did work with portals in the Anomolous Materials lab with Gordon, so they knew how to make portals.

As for the gauss gun on the car, I still think that it IS the original given to them by the G-man along with your suit, and it's probably less powerful because it runs on electricity instead of radiation ammo. I don't think they had the equipment, materials, or time to reverse-engineer it to make more (since I think the G-man only came right before you did), otherwise all the resistance would have them already.

 

[MaverickUK]

I would of preferred of waiting say and extra month and having all the stuff put in.

 

[kupocake]

I would of preferred of waiting say and extra month and having all the stuff put in.

Which would be pretty silly considering that the last few months of development were most likely concerned with taking such weapons, enemies and what have you out of the game because they simply weren't needed, they didn't work or were never likely to work (at least not in the timespan of "an extra month"). Take the Sniper Rifle: that was surely seen as unnecessary because the game already has one super accurate pistol and a super accurate sniper crossbow (which is more favourable simply because a Crossbow has individuality and character - how many FPS games have a Sniper-Crossbow?). The HL2 loadout is great. Sure, the Guass gun was kind of funky, but people complain already about how similar the weapons are to HL1 and you do get it on the Buggy ride (and no-one can say that that isn't a lengthy ride ^^)

 

[Sulkdodds]

Yeah, the Crossbow actually required a lot of skill for moving targets considering you had to fire far ahead of them...I think a sniper rifle (perhaps a Druganov) would have been cool but Valve know what they're doing. There is no weapon that isn't essential to the game. HL2 has the best weapon loadout I've seen for a long time.

 

[subtlesnake]

Dammit, is that all the weapons?

Not quite.

 

[Sulkdodds]

they are too small, they look more like energy clips, they are round?

Actually there is a bloody massive curved clip that curls round the right side of the gun. Have a look in the model veiwer. It is a bullet clip! And energy guns don't go 'dakka dakka dakka' and sound like machineguns.

 

[subtlesnake]

All the Combine machine guns essentially use the same projectiles. Would call the things that come out of your Airboat gun bullets?

 

[O.G. GOaT]

Actually there is a bloody massive curved clip that curls round the right side of the gun. Have a look in the model veiwer. It is a bullet clip! And energy guns don't go 'dakka dakka dakka' and sound like machineguns.

try watching the animation when you reload, its the small orb looking clips that change not curved thing.

at the end of the day, it just depends on the imagination of the player, want to think its just a plain old machine gun, by all means, think that, want to think its something different, by all means think that also.