Where did the combine come from?

[Pesmerga]

And if the Combine started out like humans--relying on machinery, growing fatter, and developing telepathic abilities over the eons--perhaps they are what became of humanity, and have come back in time to speed up the process.

OR THEY HAVE COME TO STOP IT FROM EVER HAPPENING!

Duh duh duh DUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

 

[Darkside55]

It would certainly explain why they emaciate stalkers and run them only off of non-fattening salt.

 

[Remus]

If the Combine come from the 4th dimension, which is time, that means that they have traveled from the future to conquer Earth in the past!

Man you're really confused. First of all another dimension and another universe( parallel universe) are NOT the same thing you n00b. The Combine come from a paralel universe that exists in the same time and space as our own universe but at a different wave length. Combine from the future, dumbest idea I've ever heard .

 

[Pesmerga]

Combine come from another dimension(the fourth one).

LOL

redneck loses

 

[Sulkdodds]

I would really be surprised if I saw a story where the aliens are the victims and the humans are the villains.

I had an idea for this. It would be like a backwards Independence Day, with human assault ships bombarding an alien planet from orbit and dropping millions of troops. Everybody at home would support the war until a few aliens came up with a master plan and totally embarassed Earth by forcing their armies off the planet, and everybody would be like "Well, shit."

 

[Pesmerga]

and everybody would be like "Well, shit."

Best climax ever

edit - cept the one i had with ur sis last night hehehehehehe jkjkjkjk

 

[UltimaApocalypse]

THE COMBINE ARE GORDON FREEMAN FROM THE FUTURE!

Hmmmm...this theory actually makes sense.

 

[Tollbooth Willie]

Best climax ever

edit - cept the one i had with ur sis last night hehehehehehe jkjkjkjk

Should've been there for the one I had with your sis AND your mom..... I keed I keed!

The Combine are from none other than..... HELL! :flame:

 

[Darkside55]

Man you're really confused. First of all another dimension and another universe( parallel universe) are NOT the same thing you n00b. The Combine come from a paralel universe that exists in the same time and space as our own universe but at a different wave length.

Sarcasm is apparently lost on rednecks.

Combine from the future, dumbest idea I've ever heard .

Count yourself lucky. You have not been here long.

 

[Roman Legion]

Combine come from another dimension(the fourth one).

Another dimension? Like Xen?

 

[99.vikram]

Another dimension? Like Xen?

If you're not being sarcastic, then no. Xen is apparently a "border world", a place the Combine cannot reach through their portals. Nihilanth's forces escaped to Xen (or so i've heard).

 

[Azner]

ill make this one easy
1.Earth 2.Xen 3.4th Dimension
[1.Happy Back mesa] [2.passing through|ze border] [3.Combine]

 

[Asknoone]

If you're not being sarcastic, then no. Xen is apparently a "border world", a place the Combine cannot reach through their portals. Nihilanth's forces escaped to Xen (or so i've heard).

The Combine can reach it, they just didn't find it. I always figured, as it's like a 'safe haven', that they didn't know where it was.

 

[Remus]

Sarcasm is apparently lost on rednecks.

Count yourself lucky. You have not been here long.

Sorry dude, sarcasm is hard to read if you know what I mean. I couldn't really tell if you were serious about that, but it did look suspicious since this thing was already discussed in this thread earlier.

Can you name at least one other dumb idea I'm curious.

 

[Sulkdodds]

G-Man is Gordon from the future. G-Man is Barney from the future. G-Man is Mossman from the future.

 

[UltimaApocalypse]

But he's not Eli from the future. That would just be silly.

 

[Remus]

Wow!:O :O

Then how about: G-Man is Alyx's mother from the future, or he's Breen's causin:O

 

[99.vikram]

The Combine can reach it, they just didn't find it. I always figured, as it's like a 'safe haven', that they didn't know where it was.

:|
1) How did they know how to find all the other universes they conquered?

2) The resonance cascade should have led them to both Xen and earth. Why did they not move into Xen?

I believe their Tunneling teleportation method doesnt allow them into the border world.

But he's not Eli from the future. That would just be silly.

If Michael Jackson can change skin color, why not Eli? Who are we to judge...

 

[Asknoone]

:|
1) How did they know find all the other universes they conquered?

2) The resonance cascade should have led them to both Xen and earth. Why did they not move into Xen?

I believe their Tunneling teleportation method doesnt allow them into the border world.

I don't think they conquered other 'universes', come on, you cannot conquer a universe. Throughout their wars and conquests in other galaxies they obviously garnered information that led them to those spots.
The border world is merely an area that borders other universes/galaxies/planets. Nihalinth and others obviously fled there because the Combine did not find it.

They were attraced to Earth via the energies given off during the resonance cascade. Were not talking about post Black Mesa here, were talking about beforehand. We've no idea whether they'd gotten there after.

 

[Darkside55]

Within their own universe, it's possible the Combine have some way to detect far-off life signatures, and/or find planets that would have useful resources. Using that information they'd just need to plot it out (the coordinates to said planet) and plop some citadels down.

We can assume that one of the things the Combine have a way of detecting are high-levels of specific energies, e.g. those necessary for teleportation. That is probably how they noticed Earth in the first place; a concentration of portal energies so massive they spotted it in THEIR universe. That's how they found us, and were able to plot Earth.

This might also explain why they couldn't and still have not found Xen. The portal storms mostly occured here, not there, and from their universe they could not detect the energies released from Xen. They were simply too far away, and still ARE too far away. This also means that it's entirely possible that the Combine hadn't the slightest inkling of the borderworld until they found the vortigaunts and other Xenian fauna on Earth--or perhaps Breen let it slip when he was bargaining for humanity's salvation, describing how humans have managed a local teleportation technology.

But, another explanation of why they haven't found Xen is that perhaps Xen is what is occupying fourth-dimensional space. It's somewhere normally out of view, except Nihilanth and the now-Xenians, and humans have somehow found it. Maybe Xen's sitting at some right angle to both our universe and the Combine's.

 

[Asknoone]

Well, the only reason they came across it in Black Mesa was because of them trying to teleport large distances. Small distances? Fine. Large distances - bang into Xen.

 

[99.vikram]

I don't think they conquered other 'universes', come on, you cannot conquer a universe. Throughout their wars and conquests in other galaxies they obviously garnered information that led them to those spots.
The border world is merely an area that borders other universes/galaxies/planets. Nihalinth and others obviously fled there because the Combine did not find it.

So you think they followed a chain of civilisations where each race conveniently led them to the next? If not, how did they get that info?

I didnt mean they went around the cosmos stumbling blindly till they hit a life-bearing world. They must have some system to detect sentient life, like a 'teleportation detector', to get the coordinates.

Within their own universe, it's possible the Combine have some way to detect far-off life signatures, and/or find planets that would have useful resources. Using that information they'd just need to plot it out (the coordinates to said planet) and plop some citadels down.

We can assume that one of the things the Combine have a way of detecting are high-levels of specific energies, e.g. those necessary for teleportation. That is probably how they noticed Earth in the first place; a concentration of portal energies so massive they spotted it in THEIR universe. That's how they found us, and were able to plot Earth.

Yeah, I was gonna say that

This might also explain why they couldn't and still have not found Xen.

Now this is speculation.

I personally think they know of Xen, but can't get there because they don't have Black Mesa style teleport. Mossman helped them build a teleporter that could get there, which Freeman screwed up. If the blueprints for it still exist, the Combine could still get to Xen. If not, Xen is still safe.

Well, the only reason they came across it in Black Mesa was because of them trying to teleport large distances. Small distances? Fine. Large distances - bang into Xen.

This is your opinion, and as of right now it has no factual backing. Based on what HL/HL 2 suggest, human local teleport needs Xen, irrespective of distance. In the early days a relay had to be set up manually,for which humans had to enter Xen (source: Blue Shift).

EDIT: Feel free to disagree

 

[Asknoone]

This is your opinion, and as of right now it has no factual backing.

No, it was very clearly established in Half-life 1. Talk to the scientists. In HL2, this is solved - they slingshot around of Xen, rather than have to pass through.

The portal Mossman built in Nova Prospekt is for local teleportation. The Combine don't want to have to use APC's and dropships and things such as. They want to teleport very short distances, but can't do it. It isn't about Xen anymore.

 

[99.vikram]

No, it was very clearly established in Half-life 1. Talk to the scientists. In HL2, this is solved - they slingshot around of Xen, rather than have to pass through.

They use Xen in the same way they did in Half-life. Mossman says Kleiner compressed the Xen relay beyond anything they could have imagined. They don't slingshot around Xen, they use it as a slingshot i.e. they bounce off it with the new relay.

The portal Mossman built in Nova Prospekt is for local teleportation. The Combine don't want to have to use APC's and dropships and things such as. They want to teleport very short distances, but can't do it. It isn't about Xen anymore.

So the Combine don't want Xen?

 

[Darkside55]

They do want Xen, but it's not their primary focus. In the end, the only things that are left there that they'd want are the controllers. The controllers have the knowledge to build an organism capable of harnessing teleport energies (the nihilanth). With that, the Combine could synthify such a being and use them in the same manner as Race-X used the gene worm.

And I'm going to have to agree with Vikram, Samon. I don't recall hearing anywhere during Half-Life that they could teleport without using Xen as a relay. The borderworld is necessary for human teleportation. Teleport "errors" that led into Xen were a byproduct of distance (as you said), and also sample density. That's why that particular sample (GG-3883) caused the malfunction.

Personally, I think that the reason you're don't have to relay through Xen over short distances is simply because you're passing through Xen so quickly. Think of Nightcrawler's teleport from the X-Men. He's passing through another dimension, but he never sees it because he's moving through it incredibly fast.

 

[99.vikram]

I have never played HL: Decay. Does it contain any important plot points?