Why do you all hate america?

[RakuraiTenjin]

There is evidence that, of 'major' nations, China (I don't know the time, it may have been before Leif Erikson or after so I don't know if they were the first 'people' besides the natives) had discovered the west coast/South Americaish areas

 

[£50 Scent]

Why do we all hate America??

Probably because we recognise problems that are the same in our own countries (or have existed previously), we are disgruntled by this and it is easier to point out problems in others rather than ourselves.

 

[GiaOmerta]

He was a Northerner.

 

[CptStern]

nope ..he was a spaniard ..well there was no "spain" at the time but a collection of nation states ..one being the nation state of Catalan (still exists today and is a province in spain: Cataluna)

 

[GiaOmerta]

Nope. He was a Northerner. Genoa isnt too far from Spain though. Dont be mistaken.

 

[£50 Scent]

nope ..he was a spaniard ..well there was no "spain" at the time but a collection of nation states ..one being the nation state of Catalan (still exists today and is a province in spain: Cataluna)

spot on.

EDIT: hang on, no - he sailed under the flag of Spain but was born in Genoa.

 

[CptStern]

nope, catalan

 

[GiaOmerta]

Was Salvatore Luciano Irish by any chance?

 

[£50 Scent]

Yeh, definately - he sailed under the flag of Spain but was born in Genoa.

 

[CptStern]

you mean this guy?

what does "Lucky" have to do with Columbus?

 

[GiaOmerta]

He sailed Spanish ships.

 

[CptStern]

Salavatore?


......oh you mean Columbus :E ..well no cuz there was no spain: Castilla and Aragon where the bankrollers ..see, the monarchs of both states were married, briefly uniting the 2 provinces (Castille and Aragon ..both exist to this day) ...but they hardly could be called "Spain"

 

[GiaOmerta]

you mean this guy?

He doesnt look Irish.

what does "Lucky" have to do with Columbus?

What do you mean Lucky?

Well anyways the point is, we Italians hold our accomplishments high. Pulling up bullshit articles just brings up unwanted grief.

 

[£50 Scent]

Salavatore?


......oh you mean Columbus :E ..well no cuz there was no spain: Castilla and Aragon where the bankrollers ..see, the monarchs of both states were married, briefly uniting the 2 provinces (Castille and Aragon ..both exist to this day) ...but they hardly could be called "Spain"

Castille then.

 

[£50 Scent]

Except with only one 'l' I mean't - Castile.

 

[CptStern]

hehe I mixed up the spanish and english ..Castilla (spanish) ...btw my parents are from spain :E

 

[GiaOmerta]

So where'd all that Genoa and Columbo bullshit come from then?
Edit: What did you mean by Lucky Luciano earlier anyways?

 

[CptStern]

He doesnt look Irish.


What do you mean Lucky?

Salvatore "Lucky" Luciano ...mob boss

Well anyways the point is, we Italians hold our accomplishments high. Pulling up bullshit articles just brings up unwanted grief.

sigh ...nationalism rears it's ugly head ...italy wasnt even a country till 1861

 

[GiaOmerta]

Savatore "Lucky" Luciano ...mob boss

Wow, bring up the ****ing mob card. ****ing Hollywood bullshit.

 

[CptStern]

Wow, bring up the ****ing mob card. ****ing Hollywood bullshit.

what the hell are you talking about??

you said:

Was Salvatore Luciano Irish by any chance?

I wasnt sure who you meant so I took a stab at it and guessed the only Salvatore Luciano I know: mob boss "Lucky" Luciano

 

[KoreBolteR]

cptstern, was italy part of the ottoman empire then?, or am i way out? :O

 

[CptStern]

you're up very late ..what time is it there? 5:08 am?

 

[Viperidae]

I think it's 4:00...

 

[Ghost Freeman]

I don't hate America, no. I hate the vile bunch of pigs that live it, and the farmer who serves them up as pork.

 

[KoreBolteR]

you're up very late ..what time is it there? 5:08 am?

4:48am, yes im very tired ....

 

[Mechagodzilla]

http://prestwidge.com/river/columbus.html
http://ishgooda.org/racial/holid2.htm

They weren't back in Columbus' day.

Eh? I don't catch your meaning.
There weren't any websites in 1500? Or the authors weren't there?

 

[Mattigus]

There weren't any websites in 1500?

Oh you know the answer. Don't make him answer it.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I know that's not what he meant, but I have absolutely no idea what he did mean by 'they'.
Putting unrealistic emphasis on the inability to decypher his vague choice of words creates absurdism, or 'comedy'.

 

[GiaOmerta]

Eh? I don't catch your meaning.
There weren't any websites in 1500? Or the authors weren't there?

I meant both.