child factory wouldve ruled

[XANA]

okay, come on dont tell me you hate the thought of a child labor factory. i mean so what if the combine made a suppression field. couldn't the combine have taken the children that were already there and use them for labor. and honestly, take a look at this pic and tell me, truthfully, that you wouldn't enslave him/her (i dont what it is lol!).

 

[Hobbes]

Someone whistle for a moderator.

 

[XANA]

oh god what now?

 

[Iced_Eagle]

How does this fit into the story?

Please note that making Michael Jackson's fantasies come to life is not part of the Half-Life universe.

 

[Greatgat]

OT, in Raising the Bar, they were talking about having a child-run factory, but it was cut for... delicate reasons.

 

[XANA]

oh pee-shaw! delicate reasons... besides, doesn't a child factory sound a bit combine...ish... to you? dont reply tonight, im going to bed!

 

[Hobbes]

oh god what now?

Jesus, do I really need to explain?
This is Half-Life 2.net, and I have been a memeber of the Half-Life 2 community for many years now. I'm not exactly calling myself a veteran of Half-Life 2, but I am saying that those of us who have waited through those painstaking years of anger and frustration for Valve to get their asses together and complete the very best game in eons do not like reading these random posts(especially when they offer no reasonable value to Half Life or anything even involved with Half Life). I also am not saying that your post is irrelevant to Half-Life, since you have some how found a way to connect this odd post to the Half-Life world(in means of enslavement of Human Kind and all) but you are still way off on what the combine's use of humans was and is further going to be. Yes, humans are enslaved, but NO... they are not neccesarily used for labor. The humans are being killed off one by one so that the Combine forces can feed from the resources of this world, then set off for the next.

Also.. enslavement of children for labor? Who are you, Hitler? Jesus god get a hold of yourself, the moment that our society decides to plunder into this thought of minor enslavement(even if only suggested as a joke) is actually really serious because it is happening even as we speak. You may think this is a joke for you and your good buddies to laugh at, but to some people(especially enslaved children) it isn't. And, as we all know... children suck at work. That's why no children have jobs, they lack the physical and mental structure to "get the job done". Imagine if we handed a hoe to Charlie, from Charlie and the Chocofactory, and forced him to start preparing the fields in chains and cuffs. What would he get done... zip. Nada, he would suck at doing farm work.

Edit: I'm sorry if I offended you with the previous rave, but seriously man... this ain't no HlFallout.com I'm just used to seeing those kind of posts over there, not neccesarily here. I mean, obviously due to the mad nooblets at steampowered.com forums, it is almost safe to say that these are the official boards of Half-Life 2. Steam forums don't count, those forums are specifically for new comers just entering the scene. That goes the same for HlFallout.com, the only difference is that many of thevnew comers have lost their way and evolved into the continueous actions of making newbie posts. It's annoying as hell, which is why I don't visit Fallout(no offense to you Fallout members out there of course).

 

[Adabiviak]

I think the idea of the Combine using children in labor camps would have given them an extra dash of evil, like when you find out what the Strogg are actually doing to the humans the farther you get into their factories. This works for obvious reasons: people are particularly sensitive to this :upstare:. I can see Valve dropping this (if they indeed had thought of it at some point) to keep the game rating down. They could also have just had children turned into stalkers and that would have turned some heads too. I don't think Valve had that evil of an image in mind for the Combine though.

 

[Langolier]

Personally I don't think a child-factory would make much sense. I immagine the Combine would send them to orphanages and brain wash them into tomorrows upstanding Civil Protection Officers.

 

[Przemek]

I think what Breen says at the begining of the game fits better to the HL2 world (when he's reading a letter from a "troubled citizen", something about forbidding reproduction, can't recall ).

 

[el Chi]

I really don't think it would've been a very good idea.
Combine oppression was far better done through the denial of us to make new children.
With sexy results.

It just occurred to me, that if you'd been bron around the time of/just before the Combine invasion and activation of suppression fields, you'd never have had sexual urges until the suppression field was destroyed by Gordon.

All of puberty's mental desire for tha nastay in one burst - man, that'd totally fry your mind.

 

[Sulkdodds]

While it would have been interestingly disturbing, weird and evil of the Combine...well, I'm not really losing sleep over the fact that there was no child labour in HL2. Besides, it would cause a huge ruckus with censors and so on, especially so in America (and here...the Daily Mail would spontaeneously combust with self-righteous anger). Of course, it'd be even weirder if what I originally thought the thread title meant - a factory for producing children - was in there. Doesn't make any sense but hey.

 

[jerkasaur]

it's a she, i have a complete render if you want...

 

[TheGMan.]

Jesus, do I really need to explain?
This is Half-Life 2.net, and I have been a memeber of the Half-Life 2 community for many years now. I'm not exactly calling myself a veteran of Half-Life 2, but I am saying that those of us who have waited through those painstaking years of anger and frustration for Valve to get their asses together and complete the very best game in eons do not like reading these random posts(especially when they offer no reasonable value to Half Life or anything even involved with Half Life). I also am not saying that your post is irrelevant to Half-Life, since you have some how found a way to connect this odd post to the Half-Life world(in means of enslavement of Human Kind and all) but you are still way off on what the combine's use of humans was and is further going to be. Yes, humans are enslaved, but NO... they are not neccesarily used for labor. The humans are being killed off one by one so that the Combine forces can feed from the resources of this world, then set off for the next.

Also.. enslavement of children for labor? Who are you, Hitler? Jesus god get a hold of yourself, the moment that our society decides to plunder into this thought of minor enslavement(even if only suggested as a joke) is actually really serious because it is happening even as we speak. You may think this is a joke for you and your good buddies to laugh at, but to some people(especially enslaved children) it isn't. And, as we all know... children suck at work. That's why no children have jobs, they lack the physical and mental structure to "get the job done". Imagine if we handed a hoe to Charlie, from Charlie and the Chocofactory, and forced him to start preparing the fields in chains and cuffs. What would he get done... zip. Nada, he would suck at doing farm work.

Edit: I'm sorry if I offended you with the previous rave, but seriously man... this ain't no HlFallout.com I'm just used to seeing those kind of posts over there, not neccesarily here. I mean, obviously due to the mad nooblets at steampowered.com forums, it is almost safe to say that these are the official boards of Half-Life 2. Steam forums don't count, those forums are specifically for new comers just entering the scene. That goes the same for HlFallout.com, the only difference is that many of thevnew comers have lost their way and evolved into the continueous actions of making newbie posts. It's annoying as hell, which is why I don't visit Fallout(no offense to you Fallout members out there of course).

Wow, you have no patience for the making of one of the best games made, and plus, It's a video game. So if you're bitching about child labor in a a video game, which isn't real, then get some help.

 

[Hectic Glenn]

I've seen a screenie of the factory somewhere once, they were playing the map, someone created the entire picture from raising the bar, or it was from the stolen build, looked pretty good though if i remember correctly. Concept wasn't great though, so best cut really.

 

[XANA]

wow, look what i started! anyway, look some people are right some are wrong (hobbes), but all im saying is that with the child factory, it would (probably) make citizens think a few times before having a child. also it would show people that the combine are more evil than dick cheney and... they also hate children, too i guess is what im getting at.

 

[Que-Ever]

Oh... in raising the bar, I thought it said that the factories made children. hm D:

 

[15357]

I heard that the censors didn't like having kids blown up or shot at. I always wondered why a dead body of an adult human is better than a dead boy or girl. :|

 

[15357]

I heard that the censors didn't like having kids blown up or shot at. I always wondered why a dead body of an adult human is better than a dead boy or girl. :|

 

[Hobbes]

Wow, you have no patience for the making of one of the best games made, and plus, It's a video game. So if you're bitching about child labor in a a video game, which isn't real, then get some help.

Oh, so I see. You are an activist of child labor in video games now. I've been finding new types of people everytime I turn a corner on this site.

Patience? Were you there for the original E3 presentations of the game? If you think patience was an issue you are completely correct, but you have no idea how long it actually was inbetween the time the title was first introduced to when it actually released. Yes I know it is a video game, but as you said yourself it is "One of the best game made...". I agree with that, it is one of the best made.. and seemed to be ever since it was introduced. You see I did have patience for this game, untill the damn beta leak which is still being debated to be entirely true or not. My patience ran out when VU publicly lied to all HL2 fans when saying the game would release in November 2003. Of course, it didn't as we all know.The game wasn't even near completion (it was hardly a beta at all). Only year later were we able to play "one of the best games made". I had patience and stuck with waiting for "One of the best game made", so if you say I had no patience you are seriously wrong my friend.

And jesus, you think child labor is not real? Have you ever heard of German regime or mabe even a country called China? Why do you think I called him Hitler in the first place?

Now explain why the use of children cannot be possible in the Combine world: Do you know why there are not any children in the game? There are no children, mabe a few... but the ones that are around were not born in hospitals, but were probably deliverd by rebel medic forces. You see, as soon as the Combine invaded, human kind was scared. There was no baby boom when the Combine invaded, because we(as humans) lost the war. If anything, the Combine forces grew. As soon as they invaded, after the 7 day war, the Combine put a stop to any exchange of bodily fluids between humans. This means, now years later, any children or teens who were born before the invasion did not have the legal ability to make a child once after the Combine landed(otherwise they would be sentenced to some sort of extreme penalty). That's why there are no children around. You have to remember, Half-Life 2 is set 15 years after Half-Life. This means there is no possible way that there could be child labor.

 

[TheGMan.]

Oh, so I see. You are an activist of child labor in video games now. I've been finding new types of people everytime I turn a corner on this site.

Patience? Were you there for the original E3 presentations of the game? If you think patience was an issue you are completely correct, but you have no idea how long it actually was inbetween the time the title was first introduced to when it actually released. Yes I know it is a video game, but as you said yourself it is "One of the best game made...". I agree with that, it is one of the best made.. and seemed to be ever since it was introduced. You see I did have patience for this game, untill the damn beta leak which is still being debated to be entirely true or not. My patience ran out when VU publicly lied to all HL2 fans when saying the game would release in November 2003. Of course, it didn't as we all know.The game wasn't even near completion (it was hardly a beta at all). Only year later were we able to play "one of the best games made". I had patience and stuck with waiting for "One of the best game made", so if you say I had no patience you are seriously wrong my friend.

And jesus, you think child labor is not real? Have you ever heard of German regime? Why do you think I called him Hitler in the first place?

HL2 was leaked.

And about Child Labor in a video game... It's a video game. I never said Child Labor wasn't real, but I am saying putting Child Labor into a video game, isn't real. Jesus christ.

 

[Hobbes]

HL2 was leaked.

And about Child Labor in a video game... It's a video game. I never said Child Labor wasn't real, but I am saying putting Child Labor into a video game, isn't real. Jesus christ.

Who knows, it could be done one day. But the developer who does incorporate child labor will most likely be flooded with complaints.

And, hah... I'm sorry I have to get into this. But yes, HL2 was put out on the internet... but not neccesarily leaked. Gabe did say it was leaked, and so did VU(assholes), but in the GameSpot HL2 preview article that came out 12 hours before the game was officially released, last year, Gabe confessed the real truth about what happened during the beta leak. The truth is, the game wasn't even near completion. Wether the leak was truely a leak or not... you must agree with me that if a developer was in the posistion to release a game(Gold and ready to ship) that was probably only 45% done, or less, in a week, wouldn't you say he had to do something? Many have argued over if it was a true leak or not, only Valve knows. I believe the original release date was September 30th, 2003... the beta was leaked only a few days before that. That beta was the latest version of HL2 at that point... and if you have played the beta, you know as well as I do how much pressure was put on Gabe during those last weeks he had before the ship date VU made with Valve.

 

[Absinthe]

Hobbes, you are one sensitive little man. I suggest you gain some perspective on this issue before you have a freakin' aneurism.

Any way... I think the implementation of child labor/brainwashing stations in the game would have been a nice touch, but not really integral. Really, it would only demonstrate the lengths at which the Combine went. I mean, they were originally going to have children corpses in Ravenholm.
Yes, the censors would cry out. And I would do my duty and tell them where to stick it.

"O NOES!!1 MATURE SUBJECT MATERIAL IN AN M-RATED TITLE!! LORDY LORDS WHAT SHALL WE DO!!11!one!1"

 

[TheGMan.]

Thank you Absinthe, I doubt they'd put Child Labor in there for fun, but to make the Storyline a bit more understandable and add some spices to it.


And we all know that it'd probably get some media and some bad attention, just look at San Andreas for a example. That shit boosted whenever nerds heard they could have pixel sex, imagine what child molesters will do

 

[AfternoonLemon]

Yeah it would add an evil edge to the Combine.

I think Valve would rather avoid any potential bad publicity, so I really couldnt see this happening. Why not have cruel adult civilian slave labour instead?

 

[Hobbes]

Hobbes, you are one sensitive little man. I suggest you gain some perspective on this issue before you have a freakin' aneurism.

See this is what the boards are deforming into, I am 35 and I guarentee I have 20 years on you "little man".

Afternoon is right though, Valve has developed some of the greatest games that we know... but in order to sell, you need to sell what sells. Bad publicity means lower sale numbers, lower sale numbers mean high stock numbers. High stock numbers means big waste of money.

But as I was trying to say before, it is impossible for many children to still be around in the HL2 world. They simply were "not" born. There are no children, mabe a few... but the ones that are around were not born in hospitals, but were probably deliverd by rebel medic forces. You see, as soon as the Combine invaded, human kind was scared. There was no baby boom when the Combine invaded, because we(as humans) lost the war. If anything, the Combine forces grew. As soon as they invaded, after the 7 day war, the Combine put a stop to any exchange of bodily fluids between humans. This means, now years later, any children or teens who were born before the invasion did not have the legal ability to make a child once after the Combine landed(otherwise they would be sentenced to some sort of extreme penalty). That's why there are no children around. You have to remember, Half-Life 2 is set 15 years after Half-Life. This means there is no possible way that there could be child labor.

 

[Absinthe]

See this is what the boards are deforming into, I am 35 and I guarentee I have 20 years on you "little man".

Then act like you're 35 and stop freaking out. :|

Yes, HL2 does take place 15 years after the original, but I don't believe an exact date of the Combine invasion was given. Either way, the idea of children on post-invasion Earth is not impossible or implausible. It's likely that Valve abandoned their implementation in the game or storyline because of publicity or because it was maybe too dark for HL2.

 

[Venmoch]

Oh... in raising the bar, I thought it said that the factories made children. hm D:

Me too.

 

[Danimal]

Someone whistle for a moderator.

Why? I don't see this thread as harmfully polluting the forums. He is expressing his thoughts into something that he didn't know was originally cut from the game. Honestly, a child-factory level would rally me up to be more determined to kill the combine.

See this is what the boards are deforming into, I am 35 and I guarentee I have 20 years on you "little man".

This is Half-Life 2.net, and I have been a memeber of the Half-Life 2 community for many years now. I'm not exactly calling myself a veteran of Half-Life 2, but I am saying that those of us who have waited through those painstaking years of anger and frustration for Valve to get their asses together and complete the very best game in eons do not like reading these random posts(especially when they offer no reasonable value to Half Life or anything even involved with Half Life).

If you have been a member of HL2.net for as long as your join date says it is you would actually know Absinthe's age, and this thread does infact contribute something to the Half-life series.

You also need to calm the **** down, Hobbes. Or do you need a week off to relax?

 

[TheGMan.]

Hobbes, are you saying that if VALVe indeed did put Child Labor in HL2, that the sales wouldn't be as high and wouldn't be known to some people as the greatest game?

lol.

 

[esplin]

Quote from Raising the Bar(I know I've quoted it a lot, but its just so useful.):

"The Child Factory never progressed beyond rough prototypes. Child citizens were also prototyped at one point, but it became clear that the Combine had suppressed the human reproductive cycle for many years. The absence of children became a minor theme of the game, and the Child Factory was rendered irrelevant."

That is why the Child Factory was cut, not because of a fear of censors.

 

[Sloth]

I head something about valve not wanting to have childern, something they didn't have to deal with in HL1.

As much as seeing a headcrabbed child would be horrific, it was too dark for the mood of valve.

Edit: W00T 900 posts!

 

[esplin]

If anyone has Raising the Bar read about Mr. Friendly. That is proof that Valve has no fear of censors.

 

[Loke]

If anyone has Raising the Bar read about Mr. Friendly. That is proof that Valve has no fear of censors.

Knocking Gordon to the ground so his glasses would fly into the sky could’ve been cool.

 

[Jintor]

My HL2 little book says it got cut because of 'ethical reasons...'

Also, Hobbes? Get a grip!

 

[XANA]

yeah dude seriously, hobbes, just shut up! youre being extremely obnoxious about a friggin' video game for god's sake. its nothing to get all touchy about. god, you know what? i think your like some child loving, granola eating, tree-hugging, cracker-ass, hippy anti-bush people. im rambling again. anyway, look all im saying is that having the factory wouldve made the combine more evil sounding. the factory wouldn't be a key location, it would just be there, thats all. oh and um, danimal, i DID know that valve cut the factory from the game, just so you know. unless youre not talking about me then never mind. hey jerkasaur, i wanted to skip sobbes (it's hobbes, but you already know) dumb stupid posts, but then i found yours just now. id like a high res pic if you have one .

 

[Tollbooth Willie]

yeah dude seriously, hobbes, just shut up! youre being extremely obnoxious about a friggin' video game for god's sake. its nothing to get all touchy about. god, you know what? i think your like some child loving, granola eating, tree-hugging, cracker-ass, hippy anti-bush people. im rambling again. anyway, look all im saying is that having the factory wouldve made the combine more evil sounding. the factory wouldn't be a key location, it would just be there, thats all. oh and um, danimal, i DID know that valve cut the factory from the game, just so you know. unless youre not talking about me then never mind. hey jerkasaur, i wanted to skip sobbes (it's hobbes, but you already know) dumb stupid posts, but then i found yours just now. id like a high res pic if you have one .

Woah, woah hold up! Cracka? Is that how it is?! Oh mutha- son of a..... AW HAYLE NAW!

And about Mr. Friendly. I have seen him in a few mods, but I couldn't imagine being in the middle of a gun fight, knocked to the ground, and him start humping me!

 

[Jintor]

XANA! Get a grip!

 

[Sulkdodds]

Jintor! Get a grip!

 

[CyberPitz]

Jesus, do I really need to explain?
This is Half-Life 2.net, and I have been a memeber of the Half-Life 2 community for many years now. I'm not exactly calling myself a veteran of Half-Life 2, but I am saying that those of us who have waited through those painstaking years of anger and frustration for Valve to get their asses together and complete the very best game in eons do not like reading these random posts(especially when they offer no reasonable value to Half Life or anything even involved with Half Life). I also am not saying that your post is irrelevant to Half-Life, since you have some how found a way to connect this odd post to the Half-Life world(in means of enslavement of Human Kind and all) but you are still way off on what the combine's use of humans was and is further going to be. Yes, humans are enslaved, but NO... they are not neccesarily used for labor. The humans are being killed off one by one so that the Combine forces can feed from the resources of this world, then set off for the next.

Also.. enslavement of children for labor? Who are you, Hitler? Jesus god get a hold of yourself, the moment that our society decides to plunder into this thought of minor enslavement(even if only suggested as a joke) is actually really serious because it is happening even as we speak. You may think this is a joke for you and your good buddies to laugh at, but to some people(especially enslaved children) it isn't. And, as we all know... children suck at work. That's why no children have jobs, they lack the physical and mental structure to "get the job done". Imagine if we handed a hoe to Charlie, from Charlie and the Chocofactory, and forced him to start preparing the fields in chains and cuffs. What would he get done... zip. Nada, he would suck at doing farm work.

Edit: I'm sorry if I offended you with the previous rave, but seriously man... this ain't no HlFallout.com I'm just used to seeing those kind of posts over there, not neccesarily here. I mean, obviously due to the mad nooblets at steampowered.com forums, it is almost safe to say that these are the official boards of Half-Life 2. Steam forums don't count, those forums are specifically for new comers just entering the scene. That goes the same for HlFallout.com, the only difference is that many of thevnew comers have lost their way and evolved into the continueous actions of making newbie posts. It's annoying as hell, which is why I don't visit Fallout(no offense to you Fallout members out there of course).

Calm down dude...half-life 2 has been out forever, what else are we going to talk about here? "OMG the Combine have cool facemasks!! LOOK AT THE WRINKLE ON THE LEGS AMFEG!"

Quit jumping on his bones, he didn't do anything wrong. He made a funny, some laughed, some didn't *obviously you move than anybody else*

Quit flaming, if you've been here so long, you shoulda known that's no exactly the BEST time of attitude towards a newb of the forums.

Sulkdodds, get a grip!!...if you know what I mean.. :naughty: