Don't you hate people who won't accept the truth?

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"This appears to suggest that Nihilanth and his race attempted to leave their home-planet or universe in the process of fleeing from the Combine's invasion. The evacuation seems to have been in vain, seen as though Nihilanth was forced by the Combine to deliver his race to them. It also appears that this opened the way for the combine into Xen, from which place they attempted their first attack at Earth (the one in Half-Life 1 is a preliminary invasion, according to most fans, and it is believed that the Combine attempted a second invasion between the two games, which ended in humanity's enslavement)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen_(Half-Life)

FFS. What bull is that. They twist it into that the Combine were on Xen :angry:
This needs to be changed. What to?
 
I wanna hunt down who wrote that and ... and ..... set ríomhaire on them ! :monkee:
 
Drackard said:
I wanna hunt down who wrote that and ... and ..... set ríomhaire on them ! :monkee:
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This interpretation of events has been thrown into question by comments from Doug Lombardi:
"We had a glimpse of the larger threat when we were working on Half-Life 1. In other words we knew that once you cleared out the Nihilanth, you were going to discover something worse beyond it. We knew that some immense threat had chased the Nihilanth and its creatures out of their own world and into Xen, from which location they were all to glad to seize the opportunity to continue on to Earth with suppression through the citadels. But the exact nature of the threat was left to be solved in Half-Life 2."

This appears to suggest that Nihilanth and his race attempted to leave their home-planet or universe in the process of fleeing from the Combine's invasion. The evacuation seems to have been successful. The invasion in Half-Life 1 is, according to most fans, a preliminary invasion by the Combine. They are wrong.
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Fixed.
 
Someone should make a wiki page on the Combine/Xen debate.
 
Yeah, that'd be a smart move. I was one of the people that wasn't sure either way- and, like everyone else, the revelation that Nihilanth's people had actually seeked refuge in Xen to escape the Combine proved us all half-right ;)
 
I deleted that section, add wahtever you want
 
Post in the discussion page about the way people keep altering it, eventually they'll lock it down.

-Angry Lawyer
 
For now there is no TRUTH. Everyone here should have freedom of his own belief. But Wikipedia is not about ONE point of view. We must make it with neutral point of view and highlight speculative problems...(I know it's pretty hard) :)
 
Polaris said:
For now there is no TRUTH. Everyone here should have freedom of his own belief. But Wikipedia is not about ONE point of view. We must make it with neutral point of view and highlight speculative problems...(I know it's pretty hard) :)
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They should emphasize which points of view have evidence backing them up and which don't.
Something like: " It has been stated by Marc Laidlaw that the Combine were not in control of Xen, but some crackpots still hold on to the belief like it is some form of religious prostration."

Yeah that would fit pretty well.:)
 
I edited the following in.
It should be noted that there is some debate over whether or not the [[Combine]] controlled Xen before the events of HL1. Those claiming they were not cite the fact that there was no sign of Combine architecture, technology or iconography in the Borderworld, that no Synths appear on Xen (despite apparently being common to Combine forces) and that the Combine themselves are unable to teleport locally as the Xenians could.
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you guys had better be careful about doing the editing too much if you're not registered at wikipedia. they'll find your IP address and either permanently or temporarely stop you from editing. and something similar happened when i added some things on the Code: LYOKO thing. they got rid of my edit on the monster page. i added a part on the section with the crab, next thing i notice is that it's gone! i hate it when that happens!!!:flame: but they can and might reword your changes.

EDIT: holy crap!! i just go back to the monster section and find that they've gotten rid of a few of my adjustments: 1) i mentioned the kankrelats in three rows; 2) the tarantulas have taken out characters in just 1 hit several times; 3) somewhere, i think i mentioned that XANA has been using hornets a lot more AND that the hornets have NOT used acid in season 2. a bunch of other things have been changed. i can't believe it. now i bet i'll get that carpet tunnel syndrome thing!
 
I don't think they're going to stop anyone making legitimate changes. Nevertheless, I shall sign in with my account in future.
 
i'm not sure that i want to register an account on that site. instead i'm going to take out my frustration my body. i'm going to carl's jr.
 
None of my changes were saying that this or that happened. I pointed out something that is wrong and replaced it with another possibility.

"that rewording abandons much-needed context"
My version:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seven_Hour_War&oldid=42340062

The current/before I edited:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seven_Hour_War&oldid=42372812

Maybe someone else can help re-word it so it has more 'context' and remove the theory that is asserted as fact
"An alien empire known as the Combine was attracted to Earth by massive "portal storms" created in the wake of the resonance cascade in the original Half-Life."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Hours_War
 
So was the combine in control of Xen? In Half life 2 i mean?
 
Then what about what Sulkdodds said?

It should be noted that there is some debate over whether ornot the [[Combine]] controlled Xen before the events of HL1. Those claiming they were not cite the fact that there was no sign of Combine architecture, technology or iconography in the Borderworld, that no Synths appear on Xen (despite apparently being common to Combine forces) and that the Combine themselves are unable to teleport locally as the Xenians could.
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Samon said:
No, they weren't.
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where's the proof they werent
i am miffed by samon, riomhaire and AL - your assertions are still no more valid to many other sensible theories taking into account that the Nihilanth was not under combine control at the time of HL1

Edit: I believe that it is time for a comprehensive wiki for this site on this debate drawing on entries from different opinions
I would like to contribute seeing as my ideas are quite different from those of Samon and too a lesser extent Riomhaire - if someone wants to write a gordon is the gman, xenians = combine article - let them, the better theories will speak for themselves
 
john3571000 said:
where's the proof they werent
i am miffed by samon, riomhaire and AL - your assertions are still no more valid to many other sensible theories taking into account that the Nihilanth was not under combine control at the time of HL1

Edit: I believe that it is time for a comprehensive wiki for this site on this debate drawing on entries from different opinions
I would like to contribute seeing as my ideas are quite different from those of Samon and too a lesser extent Riomhaire - if someone wants to write a gordon is the gman, xenians = combine article - let them, the better theories will speak for themselves
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I object to theories being asserted as fact, especially in something that is supposed to be impartial like wikipedia, especialy if they are WRONG.
 
john3571000 said:
where's the proof they werent
i am miffed by samon, riomhaire and AL - your assertions are still no more valid to many other sensible theories taking into account that the Nihilanth was not under combine control at the time of HL1

Edit: I believe that it is time for a comprehensive wiki for this site on this debate drawing on entries from different opinions
I would like to contribute seeing as my ideas are quite different from those of Samon and too a lesser extent Riomhaire - if someone wants to write a gordon is the gman, xenians = combine article - let them, the better theories will speak for themselves
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It has since been confirmed that there was no Combine control in Xen during HL1. HL2 however is another matter, but I'm guessing no.
 
I suspect no. I don't see how the Combine could control Xen without figuring out local teleportation. There are a few teleportation devices scattered throughout Xen, Ithink the Combine would be able to reverse-engineer them.
 
Since Gman said that Xen is under our control, I have to say no.
 
Ah, but:

- Black Mesa Incident opens rift between Earth and Xen
- The G-Man uses this as an excuse to occupy Xen, using the HECU
- However, the portals apparently weren't closed - since 'portal storms' continued.
- Thus we can conclude that rifts remained open
- Wait, hang on, my theory falls down...

...because the Combine came through using citadels.
Hmm.
However, I highly doubt that Xen is still 'under our control' after all that's happened.
 
You are correct, Sulkdodds, Xen is under the G-mans control not earth's. While the G-man may have used humans to attack Xen I don't think we were involved in occupying it. I think if we controlled Xen the government would have fled there after the Combine attack.
 
There is no such thing as people who can't accept the truth... I have never understood why people don't seem to accept this... :o
 
esplin said:
You are correct, Sulkdodds, Xen is under the G-mans control not earth's. While the G-man may have used humans to attack Xen I don't think we were involved in occupying it. I think if we controlled Xen the government would have fled there after the Combine attack.
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Government?
 
I think he means the U.S. government, who must have had knowledge of Xen and Black Mesa.
 
"I don't think I want to get out. What if the world finds out what we've been doing down here?"
 
It is pretty annoying.:sniper: They just need to get over it and deal with the truth.
 
Was that even what Sulkdodds said? I must missunderstand one of you.
Sulkdodds you mean that combine toke out gmans employes and its now under there control? Well yeah, that could happen... Unless Gman frezzes the hell out of them! Stopping time and cut some throats! No but seriously, yeah ok.

But i didnt realy understand esplin message, please explain. Was some human goverment involved and what implicates that?
 
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