Explosives in the WTC?

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solaris152000 said:
All the historians think they did, but wait, you did a school report, Jesus christ a school report dis agrees with me. Well historians who specilise in nazi history would beg to differ, but you did a school report on it, you obviously have more experience in it than I do.
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No, silly. :P I said I have to do a project for school, so I am too busy to argue. The project is on Roman mythology. I want proof that the Nazis burned down the Reichstag. I want pictures, videos, journal entries, anything. The video I saw was a Russian tank destroying the Swatstika on top of the Reichstag.
 
solaris152000 said:
Seens as though many Americans now belive the administration had some involvement in 911, they didnt want to push there luck.
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So now we are getting into pure speculation as a way of explaining the holes in beliefs based on faulty evidence.

Just tell me. What is more likely? What is a more plausible scenerio? That Islamic extremists hijacked airliners and used them to crash into symbols of American power.

Or that this whole thing was a carefully crafted government conspiracy that would have to have involved hundreds of individuals (all still remaining quiet) to place a large number of explosives inside the world trade center on the same floors that both planes hit while keeping the explosives hidden from the regular WTC workers all for the purpose of causing the WTC to collapse and allow the U.S. government to have a pre-text for war.

Obviously the government made mistakes that day with NORAD but then again its understandable considering NORAD hadn't really done anything in years, had a lot of funding cuts, and was never designed to deal with such an event.
ray_MAN said:
FOR THE LAST ****ING TIME! THE NAZIS DID NOT BURN DOWN THE REICHSTAG!
(I will argue later. I hate to write a report for school.)
(Also, please use the quote system. It makes it so much easier to read.)
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Actually its pretty likely that they did. Although it still could have been a nice coincidence for the Nazi's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_(building)

" the building was set on fire on February 27, 1933, under circumstances not yet entirely clear (see Reichstag fire). This proved to be a valuable excuse for the Nazis to suspend most Human Rights provided for by the 1919 constitution in the Reichstag Fire Decree."
 
The Reichstag was of no importance to the Nazis. It says it right in the article you showed me. Why would it matter?
EDIT: A Communist was found behind the building and arrested. Why wouldn't he start the fire?
 
ray_MAN said:
The Reichstag was of no importance to the Nazis. It says it right in the article you showed me. Why would it matter?
EDIT: A Communist was found behind the building and arrested. Why wouldn't he start the fire?
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It may not have had any functional use for the Nazi's but it was still important for them. It proved useful.

"This proved to be a valuable excuse for the Nazis to suspend most Human Rights provided for by the 1919 constitution in the Reichstag Fire Decree."
 
But explain the Communist found behind it at the time of the fire. I think the Red Army went for the Reichstag in Berlin to finish what they tried 12 years before, and to show they had power over the Nazis.
 
ray_MAN said:
But explain the Communist found behind it at the time of the fire. I think the Red Army went for the Reichstag in Berlin to finish what they tried 12 years before, and to show they had power over the Nazis.
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It could have been, and I don't know much of the history surrounding this but if this was a Soviet mission of some sort then either they would have claimed responsibility for doing it (which as far as I know they didn't) or it was meant as a secret. However if it was meant as a secret then I doubt they would have been able to identify the man behind the building as a communist.
 
The video I saw was a Russian tank destroying the Swatstika on top of the Reichstag.

Yes that was at the end of the war, after it was rebuilt, when russia invaded berlin. You have no idea what your on about. Learn some history.

The nazis burnt it down before WW2 and blamed it on the communists, jesus you belive EVEN the nazi germany propaganda. Wait a minute lets see if this works: You are wrong You are wrong You are wrong. hell you seem to belive everyhting that is told to you so maybe you'll belive this.

You think the red army destroyed the reichstag to finish what they tried earlier. No they destroyed it becuase it had 100s of die hard nazis barricaded inside.

Learn your history, don't ignorantly talk about stuff you dont know.
You want videos, ye sure when you are burning down a building scretley to blame it on someone else, your really gonna take a video of yourself doing it.
 
He was a professed Communist. Read the article.
As for the topic of WTC:
I watched the video at the beginning of the thread, finally. He likes to focus on the fact that building 7 was demolished. That is true. It has not been denied. It was done so that it wouldn't collapse uncotrollably. The structure was damaged by the fires caused by the collapse of WTC 1 and 2.
As to why it went on fire:
Dust is flammable. Very flammable. A simple spark go send a building on fire.
As to why Guiliani was told to "Get out!":
It was dangerous. The FDNY had no idea what could have happened. He was a very important person, so he was put in a safer place.
 
They didnt know that the planes had been hijacked at thta point, that was before, the terorists took controll.
 
Hmm, whoever set the Reichstag on fire, one thing is for sure, it was used as a pretext to proclaime a state of emergency and to issue decrees suspending freedom of speech and assembly etc.
 
Yes exactly. This is what there doing with 911.
 
For those arguing about the Reichstag fire;

-the person caught at the scene was a young Dutch communist ( de Lubbe ) who was known to be of limited intelligence.

-His interrogation was conducted by the SA and later on by the SS, and could well have resulted in a forced confession.

-It was not in the interests of the communists to burn down the Reichstag, as they hadn't got the popular support or the military strength needed to bring about a succesful revolution.

-The timing of the fire was near perfect; not only did it grant Hitler autocratic power over the whole of Germany, it allowed him to essentially liquidise the whole German Communist party as well as many of his other opponents

-At the Nuremburg War Crimes trial, many accusations had been made by senior-ranking Nazis that Goebbels had admitted to starting the fire at a dinner party.

It can never be proven beyond reasonable doubt due to lack of evidence, but the odds are good that the Nazis did indeed start the fire.

Sorry, back on topic :rolleyes:
 
Thank you for clearing that up. I now know why people don't learn from the past, they don't know whats happned, but feel free to flame their point, and then it turns out they dont have a clue what there on about. Im still waiting for ray to counter my post ^^
 
and then it turns out they dont have a clue what there on about.
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Are you the one who still hasnt addressed the article that explains why and how the buildings collapsed?
 
solaris152000 said:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/180305groundzero.htm

Thats a really good video explaining how the WTC was borught

down by explosives and not the planes.Its 20minutes long but if

you have time you should watch it. One of the best points I can

see is that for steel to melt. You need temperatures in excess of

3000 degrees.

The offical stroy is that the WTC buildings collapsed due to fire,

the ones that were hit. But yuo can see 20 mnutes before it

collapsed,

people stood in the gaps the planes created, sureley if the

temperrature was 3000degrees they coud not have survived

that? Also it shows tapes of firefighters within the WTC minutes

before it collapsed, saying that the fires were almost out, but

then they say that there was a secoundary explosion.

Youve got to see it to really understand what I'm saying.

Solaris
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Did they pack the explosives in before or after the two 747's full of jetfuel smashed into the towers? Were the videos of those 747s smashing into the towers fake? The NY office of the company I was working for, and I was on the telephone with at the time the second plane hit, watched it happen. Did they just suffer from a mass delusion? Or were they helping to pack the explosives and fake the video footage and were in on the scam?
 
No the planes hit the buildings, and tnne explosives started to denotnate.
 
How? When were the explosives planted? Before the planes hit? If so, how did they survive the initial impact of the planes? They would have easily been destroyed.
 
I do not think there where explosives, cause when buiulings get blown up by professional peopel who demolish you hear those explosions, now before the tower collapsed I don't think any explosions were heard.
 
The firefighters inside the builidng claim tehir were secoundary explosions before the builings came down, just watch the video.
 
How did the explosives get in there? You haven't answered that. Also, the firefighters in the building before it came down died. It's also kind of hard to tell. It could have just been the first few floors smashing.
 
Well, here is what I have heard, and what I beleive. When the planes struck the tower, their aluminum hulls were pulvurized into tiny particles of aluminum. Now, these particles were travelling at such high speeds that they stripped the flame-retardant material off of the steel beams of the tower. The beams were supposed to withstand high temperatures and not melt, but since they were stripped by the aluminum, they haed no protection against melting under the extreme heat. Yes burning jet fuel creates temperatures well above 3000 F. How did the people survive in the crater? Well, they weren't directley in place of the flame were they? If they weren't on fire, they were not at 3000 F, most likely they were sitting far away from any fire, or were not in the way when the plane crashed, and just happened to walk over to the crater.

Also the planes were built to withstand those old DC-10 planes, not 737's. DC-10's held much less fuel, and travelled at much lower speeds than the jets that hit the towers.
 
Also, the firefighters in the building before it came down died.

Yes, it has there radio tapes, watch the film.
 
solaris152000 said:
Also, the firefighters in the building before it came down died.

Yes, it has there radio tapes, watch the film.
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They could easily be faked. That's also not the beep of the FDNY radio. I know what it is. My cousin is a firefighter.
 
Have you checked this?:

Painful Deceptions: An Analysis of the September 11 Attack
http://www.prisonplanet.com/121203painfuldeceptions.html

"Building 7: ... The 23rd floor was the Mayor's "Emergency Command Center," which had its own air supply. This appears to be the command center for destroying the towers."

This video has also a section about steel frames in the towers (in the last part of the film).
 
This is just crackpot stuff. Planes crashed into the building and then explosives were detonated huh? Why not just use explosives and not go to the trouble of smashing two planes into the building?

As for explosions, I am sure there were some as various flammable materials caught on fire. But to say that the WTC was filled with explosives and then they sent planes to crash into the towers is just nonsense.

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I don't think you understand. If they hadn't flown the planes in, there would be 2 problems. People would wonder how a terrorist managed to put bombs in government buildings? How did they get acess. And 2 its alot more shocking to see the planes flie into them. It has a bigger impact.
 
Did it also get hit by a jumbo jet?
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16 of them in fact. But they were invisible US Govt. jets, the ones we aren't supposed to know about, but the building was a secret Spanish govt. lab for reserch on alien spacecraft, so it was made out of industructableanium and couldn't collapse. And everyone knows that the Death Star is responsible for destroying the 2 towers. The laser beam is clearly visible on the video.
 
hahaha you guys are comedians, seriously, comedians... I just thought it was interesting. Besides, I don't buy this conspiracy theory anyway. But you do need to make up your minds, was it the fire that brought the towers down, or the jet impact?

Its always great to visit this area of the forum, the members who frequent here are so intelligent and put a lot of thought and research into their replies... :x
 
It was built to withstand jet impact.
Saying, ha ha you guys are stupid. Does not help your argument at all.
 
Yes that is what they want you think, that is the exact meassage they are trying to get out, think for yourself, say: "Hay, if fox news is owned by george bushs cousin, then maybe the information hes giving you might be a little bias.
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That's one of the dumber things anyone has said here. FOX News is a subsidiary of 20th Century FOX and Newscorp. It is owned by the Murdoch family, or more accurately, Rupert Murdoch with a controlling interest...no he does not own *all* the shares but is in charge. He is an Australian newspaper baron that bought things overseas.

So I don't know how Bush's cousin could own Fox news. It would be a shock to Rupert for sure if this was the case.
 
solaris152000 said:
I don't think you understand. If they hadn't flown the planes in, there would be 2 problems. People would wonder how a terrorist managed to put bombs in government buildings? How did they get acess. And 2 its alot more shocking to see the planes flie into them. It has a bigger impact.
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Have you ever been inside a place before its blown up in demolition? I have - it has wiring everywhere - with all of the charges put at key structural points throughout the building. And the building I have seen was a small club that was being demolished.

So what you are saying is that the FBI, the Men in Black or whoever - managed to get into the World Trade Centre and lodge thousands, maybe 100s of thousands of controlled demolition charges throughout the structure of both WTC towers........without a single person noticing.

You may say, oh but they did it when every1 was at home from work. Those bond dealers would be running 24 hours a day, so would the transactional law firms. Not one person, ever - noticed a huge crew of workmen, stringing det cord and placing detonators throughout the world trade centre. Not one.

Dont you think that the people at work, would have noticed explosives strung up all over the building and thought, hmm....

The reason they did not notice - was - because it never happened.
 
hahaha you guys are comedians, seriously, comedians
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Are you saying that it wasn't the Death Star that did it? It's on tape. 100% proof. However the govt. won't let you see the tape. But it's there.
 
Well, I think this thread has spent enough time plumbing the depths of utter stupidity.

Some people's absolutely cutting use of sarcasm is just beyond reprise!
My oh my, such intelligent arguments and retorts! [/sarcasm]

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