First cloned dog.

OCybrManO said:
:laugh:

Hmmm... I wonder why Koreans want to clone dogs.

* OCybrManO ponders the possible reasons. *




PS: Is that offensive? If so, sorry.

EDIT: The orange part is a link, too.
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Its called cultural differences; we had no meat since oxen were very valuable, horses too, pigs were rare, meaning that we had only dogs that was useless.


We don't eat dogs nowadays, thank you. :frown:
 
Part of me hopes that this will turn into an arguement so that people will post more. What am I saying? Nevermind.
 
15357 said:
Its called cultural differences; we had no meat since oxen were very valuable, horses too, pigs were rare, meaning that we had only dogs that was useless.


We don't eat dogs nowadays, thank you. :frown:
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Yeah... yeah... I know. Look at the results in the Google search (the orange link). A lot of them say that most people don't eat dog anymore. I just thought it was a humorous coincidence.
 
OCybrManO said:
Yeah... yeah... I know. Look at the results in the Google search (the orange link). A lot of them say that most people don't eat dog anymore. I just thought it was a humorous coincidence.
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Now were getting somewhere.
 
millions of dogs are euthanized every year ...yet we want to make more of them?
 
somehow I dont think there's all that many vets in Korea ...I could be wrong ...but no
 
CptStern said:
millions of dogs are euthanized every year ...yet we want to make more of them?
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It was a leap forward for medical science, as dogs are the most hard to clone.
 
It doesn't matter how many dogs there are.. there's a lot of sheep but they got cloned still. I think this is pretty cool, a definate step forward
 
I bet it matters to all the unwanted dogs out there ...go to the human society in any city in the world ...every single dog you see there over the age of 2 is there on borrowed time ...if they arent adopted they'll be euthanized, usually within 2 months


sheep is one thing (I dont condone it either) but there are literally millions of unwanted dogs every year ...when the olympics came to greece the government euthanized 10,000 stray dogs, no one batted an eyelash because they are expendable ...why should animals be tortured (how many dogs do you think died before they successfully cloned one?) just so little billy can resurrect his dead dog?
 
Next step: Monkeys, a bit harder than dogs.

btw, genetically dogs are kinda alike to humans and we have the same illneses.



btw2, this was not done so that little billy could ressurect his dog (I think there was a movie on this), It was done for medical science. :)

Of course, poor doggies. :(
 
At least they've cloned something a bit more challenging.

I mean, sheep all look the same anyway. :|
 
15357 said:
Next step: Monkeys, a bit harder than dogs.

btw, genetically dogs are kinda alike to humans and we have the same illneses.



btw2, this was not done so that little billy could ressurect his dog (I think there was a movie on this), It was done for medical science. :)

Of course, poor doggies. :(
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animal research for human diseases is not effective or reliable, and can often have the opposite desired effect
 
What does it matter that they cloned one dog? They did it to prove it can be done. And it can! I suppose they could have used a number of other animals and they just chose a dog for somer reason
 
how many dogs died before they were successful ...imho not worth the effort
 
It could be worth it. I'm not sure what cloning is gonna be used for. I don't approve of animal testing at all, but what else can we test on? If technology has the potential to save lives it's no good not going ahead with it for the sake of a few animals lives. I love dogs, I love animals, but sacrifices have to be made if we're gonna progress
 
but it's not reliable...the majority of research animals are used in the cosmetics industry not in medical research for human diseases ...as I've stated already it's not reliable nor is it effective

believe it or not I actually understand your reasoning ..but in most cases the animals die needlessly
 
I personally see no problems with cloning. 'ITS A SOULESS DOLL!"
Uhh..k? I don't know, it just goes to show us jumping up in the technology world, and one day hopefully start tackling bigger projects. For this is just a step.
 
CptStern said:
how many dogs died before they were successful ...imho not worth the effort
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What do you mean by this? Animals wouldn't needed to have died to make clones, as far as I know... unless you're talking about failed clone attempts?
 
yes ...there wasnt one Dolly but many "Dollys"

" It took 277 attempts to produce Dolly, and apparently Dolly is normal. But among the failed attempts, there were several sheep born that were profoundly malformed and had major birth defects. Now, it's easy to say, when you have a sheep, a baby lamb born with malformations or genetic or other defects, it's easy to say let's just get rid of that. But if this were done on a human population, what would we do with the failed experiments if it took 277 to produce one success? "

source
 
I thought they cloned a dog... about 2 years ago.
 
CptStern said:
yes ...there wasnt one Dolly but many "Dollys"

" It took 277 attempts to produce Dolly, and apparently Dolly is normal. But among the failed attempts, there were several sheep born that were profoundly malformed and had major birth defects. Now, it's easy to say, when you have a sheep, a baby lamb born with malformations or genetic or other defects, it's easy to say let's just get rid of that. But if this were done on a human population, what would we do with the failed experiments if it took 277 to produce one success? "

source
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Well, there you go.
 
I'm not impressed, we already know we can clone stuff.
 
Stern, your argument makes no sense at all. It is only one more dog... sorry that you hate that dog's are euthanized, but it has nothing to do with a scientific breakthrough with the cloning of a single dog. I sincerely doubt that there will be mass-clonings of canines which will lead to more euthanizing of dogs. Heh.
The goal of Hwang and his team, who reported their achievement Wednesday in the journal Nature, isn't to reproduce lovable pooches but to find ways to eventually help treat human diseases by creating a reliable research model.
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CptStern said:
yes ...there wasnt one Dolly but many "Dollys"

" It took 277 attempts to produce Dolly, and apparently Dolly is normal. But among the failed attempts, there were several sheep born that were profoundly malformed and had major birth defects. Now, it's easy to say, when you have a sheep, a baby lamb born with malformations or genetic or other defects, it's easy to say let's just get rid of that. But if this were done on a human population, what would we do with the failed experiments if it took 277 to produce one success? "

source
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Excellent point, but either way you look at it's inevitable. Eventually this technology will be perfected and it will save many, many more lives than the amount of lives that could be destroyed in the testing process. Sacrifice has always been at the base of all technological advancement, and as a society we are better because of it.

Besides, the whole point of doing this research on animals is so that when they do eventually try to reproduce human parts they can do it much more safely and effectively. Dolly was the first mammal ever cloned, I'm sure problems will never occur on that scale again.
 
What's the point of saving lives? THey'll die again later anyway. If you really want to help, do it quick and painless.
 
smwScott said:
Eventually this technology will be perfected and it will save many, many more lives than the amount of lives that could be destroyed in the testing process.
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Well the moon landing and re-entry went quite well when it finally succeeded...yet the moon has not been re-visited and there have been many more failed attempts at bringing anything back to earth (or keeping track of it while its away).

And this is pointless really - clone something we need...
 
You're all just bitter that we have superior minds than you. :p
 
Erestheux said:
Stern, your argument makes no sense at all. It is only one more dog... sorry that you hate that dog's are euthanized, but it has nothing to do with a scientific breakthrough with the cloning of a single dog. I sincerely doubt that there will be mass-clonings of canines which will lead to more euthanizing of dogs. Heh.
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where do we draw the line at the ethical treatment of animals? are they ours to tinker with? ours to experiment on? There is more than abundant proof that animal research for human diseases is NOT reliable ...so what are we doing this for?
 
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