Hate to make a post on a post but

[BabyHeadCrab]

http://steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=314867#post314867

certainly half-life 2 related stuff there... sorry if this is against rules.. I looked and saw nothing saying it was anyway... read that post and the links :E

viva la valve

 

[SilentKilla]

alb ur the man

 

[Gossoon]

eh. I just don't understand valve cheerleaders. It is probably a consequence of our heavily-branded society, where we are constantly bombarded with messages of corporate loyalty. Think for yourselves, it's quite liberating. Learn to discriminate between a product and the company that produces it. These cheerleaders essentially become unpaid employees of these companies, spreading viral brands half-wittingly.
This is not to say that valve is a "bad" company or undeserving of your support, but perhaps in the interests of your own intellectual independence it is better to let them defend themselves. They certainly have the means in which to do so, and the fact that they haven't done much in the way of damage-control leads one to believe that it really isn't important to them. If the valve-bashing and general grumbling about recent events bothered them, I'm sure we would have heard a coherent defense from them. They are big boys (some bigger than others); let them take care of themselves.

 

[Ahnteis]

Hey gossy--think for yourself.

Instead of being constantly negative because you think it's the "I'm so much better then all you peons" thing to do, give people a compliment once in a while. It doesn't hurt. Really. Funny thing is, having a positive attitude and trying to make life more enjoyable for the OTHER guy usually ends up make YOUR life better.

 

[Dougy]

eh. I just don't understand valve cheerleaders. It is probably a consequence of our heavily-branded society, where we are constantly bombarded with messages of corporate loyalty. Think for yourselves, it's quite liberating. Learn to discriminate between a product and the company that produces it. These cheerleaders essentially become unpaid employees of these companies, spreading viral brands half-wittingly.
This is not to say that valve is a "bad" company or undeserving of your support, but perhaps in the interests of your own intellectual independence it is better to let them defend themselves. They certainly have the means in which to do so, and the fact that they haven't done much in the way of damage-control leads one to believe that it really isn't important to them. If the valve-bashing and general grumbling about recent events bothered them, I'm sure we would have heard a coherent defense from them. They are big boys (some bigger than others); let them take care of themselves.

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and the whole "valve owes you nothing" arguement is ludacris. So Valve owes the people who pre ordered HL2 absolutely no explanation why they wont be recieving the goods they paid for?

or the Guys who bought the ATI XT's they deserve no explanation either i suppose as to why they will not be recieving half of their goods for christ knows how long becuase valve wont tell us.

 

[Gossoon]

I'm sure no one is interested in this, but let me make a final point on this subject and then I'll shut up. My aim was not to bash valve or to portray the HL2 stituation in a consistently negative light. I think the events and the way they have been handled speak for themselves. I choose to view these things with some skepticism, although I understand if some people find it useful to carry on with a postive attitude. It does make things easier, but by glossing over the problems we run the risk of having these mistakes repeated again. Do you want to go through the same thing with HL3?

So, my point remains: let valve defend themselves. A lot of bad feelings and mistrust could easily be cleared up by some concrete answers from valve. And I'm not talking about the minutiae of the sdk. I mean the big questions. They are capable of this and I hope it happens.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

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and the whole "valve owes you nothing" arguement is ludacris. So Valve owes the people who pre ordered HL2 absolutely no explanation why they wont be recieving the goods they paid for?

or the Guys who bought the ATI XT's they deserve no explanation either i suppose as to why they will not be recieving half of their goods for christ knows how long becuase valve wont tell us.

hmm.. Valve still owes nothing to anyone.. they are in business for themselves, not for u technically.. now as far as the off chance they pull a DNF on the pple that have pre-ordered and those that have coupons.. im sure u have heard of refunds right? good, i suggest u keep it in mind if the DNF scenerio does happen..

as for those with coupons, ATI would handle that probably with another upcoming game if that DNF scenerio happened.. because pple pre-order and have these coupons does not mean Valve owes them anything.. u may think they do.. but they aren't ur personal pals even u u may disagree with that

they are in business and business is strange some times.. the un-predictable can and does happen.. if u can't understand that, heres some free advice: never go into business, cause ur likely to get burned.

 

[Ahnteis]

Pre ordering is done through the retailer, not through Valve. You have a problem with preorders, talk to your retailer. They're the ones who are selling things that don't yet exist. (And you're the one buying them.)

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Pre ordering is done through the retailer, not through Valve. You have a problem with preorders, talk to your retailer. They're the ones who are selling things that don't yet exist. (And you're the one buying them.)

better put than i could in a million years

and while it might look like that im defending Valve here, im not.. i am just using common sense.. Valve can certainly defend themselves but it does not take a rocket scientist to understand that Valve is a company trying to earn a buck no matter which way u slice it..


pple need to take release dates for all games with a grain of salt.. and not carve it on their chests or something.. cause i imagine that would be very painful.. :upstare:

 

[Non-Sequitur]

pple need to take release dates for all games with a grain of salt.. and not carve it on their chests or something.. cause i imagine that would be very painful.. :upstare:

The scars of September 30th, 2003 will never leave me.

 

[Shuzer]

Pre ordering is done through the retailer, not through Valve. You have a problem with preorders, talk to your retailer. They're the ones who are selling things that don't yet exist. (And you're the one buying them.)

That's why pre-ordering online is better.. no charges until the game ships

 

[blahblahblah]

Valve owes me (and you) a lot of things.

For example: If I go in to a restaraunt and order a hamburger and have the waitress tell me off, get lied to on about how long my food will take to be finished, and then receive no service from the restaraunt for an hour. But, once you do get your hamburger, it is one of the best ones you have ever tasted. Would you go back to that restaraunt again?

I wouldn't. Also, please dont say this example doesnt fit this situation with Valve, because Valve is responsible for making games but also making its customers happy through any practical (they do not have to perform an act of god to make me happy) means neccesary.

It is important to remember that I plan on buying HL2. So they have not received my money from me yet, so they are essential courting me to buy HL2. They are not doing a good job. I think if they keep this up for much longer, they will loose my 50 dollars.

All I want from Valve, is either an apology for the problems they've had or release some new information about the developement of HL2 or the game itself. I don't need much info, just enough to know that they still value my potential sale.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

goss you strike me as the guy who sits in the hall smokeing pot all day pointers fingers and calling people conformist... no offense


corporations dont owe you, they own you, get used to it! I am no slave to valve, I respect them for continued support instead of just being like ok we got the game out its buggy f*** it lets stop supporting the community

were dealing with capatalism here as unfair (to some) as it may be


also about me being a slave to a corporation... if its a money makeing job frankly I dont give a sh!t put me as ceo fo mc donalds

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Valve owes me (and you) a lot of things.

For example: If I go in to a restaraunt and order a hamburger and have the waitress tell me off, get lied to on about how long my food will take to be finished, and then receive no service from the restaraunt for an hour. But, once you do get your hamburger, it is one of the best ones you have ever tasted. Would you go back to that restaraunt again?

I wouldn't. Also, please dont say this example doesnt fit this situation with Valve, because Valve is responsible for making games but also making its customers happy through any practical (they do not have to perform an act of god to make me happy) means neccesary.

It is important to remember that I plan on buying HL2. So they have not received my money from me yet, so they are essential courting me to buy HL2. They are not doing a good job. I think if they keep this up for much longer, they will loose my 50 dollars.

All I want from Valve, is either an apology for the problems they've had or release some new information about the developement of HL2 or the game itself. I don't need much info, just enough to know that they still value my potential sale.

thank you for explaining yourself instead of pointing a finger and saying im a slave to a company... you have a good point our views just conflict I am the sucker that would go back sit on my lazy ass with same candy I bought near by and wait for the really good cheeseburger

i would like then saying hey thanks for supporting us heres a video here and there........ but it seems like steam updates seem to pull me through its continued support for the already recieved product see its different on the cosumer end with games because they have long term value and cheeseburgers are consumed and come out the other end

anyway its all relitive

 

[Ahnteis]

Sorry your analogy doesn't fit because you aren't stuck in the diner waiting for HL2. You're continuing on with your everyday life.

It's more like a book author missing a planned release date.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Sorry your analogy doesn't fit because you aren't stuck in the diner waiting for HL2. You're continuing on with your everyday life.

It's more like a book author missing a planned release date.

really thats funny, I thought we did while we sat in a HALFLIFE2 forum all day discussing VALVE and RELEASE DATES

 

[Asus]

"If I pre-ordered a new car from a local dealership but the car still being designed did not meet the estimated launch date so I am pissed because I assumed."
I don't think anyone told you off except yourself and I don't think you fully realize the relationship between Valve and yourself.

pple need to take release dates for all games with a grain of salt.. and not carve it on their chests or something.. cause i imagine that would be very painful.. :upstare:

lol that made me laff because it is so true.
So many ppl get too attached and set themselves up for disapointment.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

wow... ur comparing the making of a meal to the making of a game? u do realize that one doesn't take years and months to complete as opposed to the other.. right? hmm.. i suppose that slipped ur mind.

anyway, ur gripe is about pple who have pre-ordered.. well they can get their money back.. or at least have that money put towards another upcoming game if their that impatient.. at this point ur end of the arguement looks a little silly..

 

[blahblahblah]

Dr. Freeman - Find a dictionary and look up the meaning of 'analogy'. The reason I choose a restaraunt is to emphasis how important customer service is. People dont realize that customer service still matters in all companies, regardless on what they produce. I do not expect Valve to be perfect, that is impossible, I just want to be treated with a little respect. While it is important to serve customers who already may own product are important to a business, it is very important to make potential customers as happy as possible because they are the people who are still deciding whether to buy your product or a competitors.

Ahnteis - uhhh...its an example, not an identical situation.

bAbYhEaDcRaB - Glad to no that somebody understands what I am trying to say even though you may disagree with me to an extent.

 

[Gossoon]

goss you strike me as the guy who sits in the hall smokeing pot all day pointers fingers and calling people conformist... no offense


corporations dont owe you, they own you, get used to it! I am no slave to valve, I respect them for continued support instead of just being like ok we got the game out its buggy f*** it lets stop supporting the community

were dealing with capatalism here as unfair (to some) as it may be


also about me being a slave to a corporation... if its a money makeing job frankly I dont give a sh!t put me as ceo fo mc donalds

I said I would shut up, but I feel I have to respond a bit here. First of all, I don't smoke pot (that should be apparent by my ability to actually compose a coherent sentence) and I don't point many fingers. And I did not use the word "slave" once in my postings, perhaps that is your own conscience talking.

And as for the continual support from valve, I'm just not seeing it. They had a history of solid support, but that seems to have fallen off lately. There is obviously a good reason for that, but I can't accept that they're doing it right now. Anyway, all my talk here was not for the purpose of picking on someone. I just wanted to point out a few things and encourage some independent thinking. It's a shame I have to be on the defensive for that.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Dr. Freeman - Find a dictionary and look up the meaning of 'analogy'. The reason I choose a restaraunt is to emphasis how important customer service is. People dont realize that customer service still matters in all companies, regardless on what they produce.

okay but as of right now there is no such product called HL2.. and it should not be considered until the actual release happens.. so going by ur example, u would first need a product to be upset about..

I do not expect Valve to be perfect, that is impossible, I just want to be treated with a little respect.

right.. and i think Valve does that better than most gaming companies.. infact many pple here have said Valve is more involved with their fanbase than most other gaming companies.. as a fan of their products, im happy and i couldn't have asked for more considering what other gaming companies do vs what Valve does...

Gabe came on this forum a few times already and posted himself.. i think that says alot about Valve.. i can't remember the last time a CEO of a company came to a gaming fansite to share news directly with their fans.. if that isn't outstanding customer service, well gee i don't know what is!! :|

While it is important to serve customers who already may own product are important to a business, it is very important to make potential customers as happy as possible because they are the people who are still deciding whether to buy your product or a competitors.

again, some pple here and myself included feel that Valve does do much more than the normal gaming company despite the recent behaviour of Valve not giving out much info.. but even that u gotta agree that any gaming company would stop sharing info/media after they got hacked.. i don't know wtf pple expect from Valve after they get hacked.. sheeesh

 

[Shuzer]

And as for the continual support from valve, I'm just not seeing it. They had a history of solid support, but that seems to have fallen off lately.

HL2 isn't VALVe's only project. I whole hearted-ley disagree that their solid support has fallen off. They're making alot of positive changes for the CS community (and have a bunch in the works that have the community excited), continually updating Steam, still answering e-mails, taking community suggestions and more.. all while working on HL2.
Forgive me if you were only referring to VALVe's community support for HL2. I believe it's important to realize that it's not their only project.

 

[Gossoon]

HL2 isn't VALVe's only project. I whole hearted-ley disagree that their solid support has fallen off. They're making alot of positive changes for the CS community (and have a bunch in the works that have the community excited), continually updating Steam, still answering e-mails, taking community suggestions and more.. all while working on HL2.
Forgive me if you were only referring to VALVe's community support for HL2. I believe it's important to realize that it's not their only project.

noted. I was referring mostly to HL2. I don't really play CS or use steam, although I'll be using it to download HL2 because of the ATI coupon. Here's to hoping that that goes smoothly! I acknowledge that they are providing technical support to their old products. It's kind of hard to explain what I the kind of support that I expect for a game that isn't even released, but it's almost a sort of emotional support. Like, "It's been a rocky few months. Thanks for sticking with us - here's some screenshots, and the benchmark, and the bink videos, and a release date." Yeah, I know it's ridiculous.
Man, why am I even arguing about this? It's a game, for ****'s sake! I've got to stop...

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Yeah, I know it's ridiculous.
Man, why am I even arguing about this? It's a game, for ****'s sake! I've got to stop...

well 1 out of 2 ain't bad i guess.. u finally get what some of us are saying while blahblahblah may never understand the point some of us are trying to get through regardless of Valve's "silence" being implied as bad customer service or whatever the hell he wants to call it..

 

[Pitbul]

blahblahblah owned you in everyway of that discussion and little debate. you just have a hard time excepting it like many Valve fanboys. and that Analogy was correct, right down to you so called "well HL2 doesn't exist boo hoo" neither did the hamburger when you order it at a resturant cause it still has to be made but your still promised it will be made and that they got the ingedients (the engine). blahblahblah and Gossoon are the only people here who think clear enough to give an unbiased opinion and THAT is a FACT given their arguements.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

blahblahblah owned you in everyway of that discussion and little debate. you just have a hard time excepting it like many Valve fanboys. and that Analogy was correct, right down to you so called "well HL2 doesn't exist boo hoo" neither did the hamburger when you order it at a resturant cause it still has to be made but your still promised it will be made and that they got the ingedients (the engine).

wait, lets get one thing straight, when u go to pre-order HL2, its not Valve that is making the promise of a game to u... its that store/site. Valve is not and should not be responsible for promises that these places make.. now when u go to order a hamburger at a restaurant, u may not realize it, but u are directly dealing with the pple that are providing u with the product or service as it is in this example.. in Valve's example, u are not directly dealing with them.

i have one question for u and others.. u pple come on this site and show up Valve in a negative way, but then when someone responds in a point of view that u disagree, u are like shocked or something.. why is that? this a HL2 fansite, if ur weren't expecting some pple to defend Valve in some form, then wth were u expecting?!

 

[Asus]

that Analogy was correct, right down to you so called "well HL2 doesn't exist boo hoo" neither did the hamburger when you order it at a resturant cause it still has to be made but your still promised it will be made and that they got the ingedients (the engine). .

A double cheeseburger at Mc Ds does exist before you order it. Yours may have to be made or one that is already made has to be given to you. But HL2 has not been...introduced/released/launched.

 

[PvtRyan]

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and the whole "valve owes you nothing" arguement is ludacris. So Valve owes the people who pre ordered HL2 absolutely no explanation why they wont be recieving the goods they paid for?

Paid for what? The game? No, you paid the shop to hold a copy of the game which will be available when it releases. You didn't purchase the game. That's bullshit.

 

[blahblahblah]

McDonald's isnt a restaraunt.

How is Valve not responsible for the promises they make. They promised me a release date. They did not just promise me a release date, they stated it as a fact. I don't know about you, but when something is stated as a fact, I tend to believe it. Also, I do expect customer service from valve because they announced HL2 and I expect customer service. It is not relevant if the product does not exist yet because of what I said in the sentance above. They have promised me other things like benchmarks and videos, but those were merely promises and not stated as fact like the release date is. So I am not as bitter as the release date fiasco. In addition after the release date passed, they had a complete media blackout. So how is that customer service.

And you say they have a good relationship with their fans? Seems like hit and miss to me. They have good mod support, only because they buy the popular mods to rerelease them on to store shelves so Valve can make money. Granted, they used to be active in the fan community. But where is Valve when we have questions now?

I expect some communication stating what is going on, especially since I am a potential paying customer. If they are a business, they should try to get my money from me.

You expect me to defend Valve after what they have done. I don't know about you but I want the most bang for my buck. When they dont treat me right, it is my right to complain. If you dont think I have the right to complain, remember Valve is the one courting me to buy HL2 when it comes out. When Valve does things right, I'll be right their giving them props to whatever they have done.

Cause Dr. Freeman is fairly predictable, you probably will call me a fair weather fan. Guess what, I am! I want the game that offers the most value to me, which includes the game and intangible stuff like customer service, post release updates/info, and prerelease information. The people at Valve are not making HL2 out of the goodness of their hearts, they are out their to make a buck. I am hear to maximize the amount of benefit I get out of that buck. This sounds a little bit harsh but remember we live in a capitalistic society.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

wow, first time ive been to lazy to read my own thread

that and I'm sick of the fighting and this thread was meant to not be another "valve roxorz" "no valve sux0rz" thread.....

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

McDonald's isnt a restaraunt.

How is Valve not responsible for the promises they make. They promised me a release date. They did not just promise me a release date, they stated it as a fact. I don't know about you, but when something is stated as a fact, I tend to believe it. Also, I do expect customer service from valve because they announced HL2 and I expect customer service. It is not relevant if the product does not exist yet because of what I said in the sentance above. They have promised me other things like benchmarks and videos, but those were merely promises and not stated as fact like the release date is. So I am not as bitter as the release date fiasco. In addition after the release date passed, they had a complete media blackout. So how is that customer service.

And you say they have a good relationship with their fans? Seems like hit and miss to me. They have good mod support, only because they buy the popular mods to rerelease them on to store shelves so Valve can make money. Granted, they used to be active in the fan community. But where is Valve when we have questions now?

I expect some communication stating what is going on, especially since I am a potential paying customer. If they are a business, they should try to get my money from me.

You expect me to defend Valve after what they have done. I don't know about you but I want the most bang for my buck. When they dont treat me right, it is my right to complain. If you dont think I have the right to complain, remember Valve is the one courting me to buy HL2 when it comes out. When Valve does things right, I'll be right their giving them props to whatever they have done.

Cause Dr. Freeman is fairly predictable, you probably will call me a fair weather fan. Guess what, I am! I want the game that offers the most value to me, which includes the game and intangible stuff like customer service, post release updates/info, and prerelease information. The people at Valve are not making HL2 out of the goodness of their hearts, they are out their to make a buck. I am hear to maximize the amount of benefit I get out of that buck. This sounds a little bit harsh but remember we live in a capitalistic society.

Facts are reality.. how can you state something as a fact when it hasent even happened yet.... btw I hope you dont believe everything in such a way so that if a hobo came to your house and said on sept 16 you will get a magic beanstalk and meet a fairy named slut monkey who will screw you all day would you believe it? I wouldent....... release dates are always silly you cant go and say yes its definatley coming out then.

oh and about valve "courting" for your purchase, they already have it, because me you and your mother are buying hl2

also, dude you act like in spending "x" amount of money (below 50 bucks hopefully) for hl or hl2's "potential service" makes valve owe you SOO much well guess what pay 9 bucks for a matin'e at your local threatre and you get 2 hours of entertainment compare that to the price of hl and how much good gameplay you got from it!

owe you!!, hell I owe valve, and if your any smart you dont buy the repackaged mods I would want money if I had rights to a popular game like cs and retail is a great thing to do and to gain popularity

 

[Jackal hit]

blahblahblah, i definitely understand what you're saying, but i must respectfully disagree, if you feel so violated, and want to complain so much, you could either take it up with valve, as in e-mail form... or just not buy HL2. you definitely have a choice.

on another note, i'm one of those ATi coupon holders, but i'm in no way upset at the release date deal, media black out or any of that. after years and years of release dates slipping, as i've observed, i've learned that no release date is set in stone, hell not even if the game's gone gold... the publisher could still take issue and postpone it. i personally don't feel like valve's done something to ME, seems kind of an egotistical, "i'm so important the company must cater to MY needs, MY wants, memememememe." whatever happened to being patient and then happy when a product becomes available? why must people feel slighted when something doesn't go their way?

rant over

edit: seriously, if it bugs you, tell valve(in a respectful manner of course)

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

:rolling: oh em gee :rolling: :rolling:


VALVE BETTER RELEASE HL2 SOON OR I DONT BUY (preorders) (goes into closet and worships gabe newell statue)

 

[Jackal hit]

:rolling: oh em gee :rolling: :rolling:


VALVE BETTER RELEASE HL2 SOON OR I DONT BUY (preorders) (goes into closet and worships gabe newell statue)

IDOLATOR!!! ahm gonna git mee mah lynchin gear.

 

[Styloid]

I think one of the main problems with most of these analogies are the differing attitudes towards HL2. Most people seem to see it as just another consumer good to enjoy and then move on (which I can't say is wrong). This mentality is seen in movies as well. People just stop by once a week, see whatever happens to be on and forgets about it a week later. Nothing really gets appreciated. When it's late, then to them it's like their burger (something thrown together based on old, tested formulas) or whatever being late. They're just going to eat it and forget about it (or maybe stop going to that restaurant). No body cares that video games nowadays (the good ones) take a lot of creativity, effort and time to create to the point where it's slowly starting to become an art form. This kind of mentality is the kind that businesses like to sell to and that doesn't seem to be what Valve are banking on so I guess that makes them bad businessmen..... I can understand being upset at missing the release date (though Valve, if you look, never made a straight promise. There were just so many interviews/emails asking sept.30 and responses saying that's what they were aiming for that it got engraved in our minds), but please don't say games should be produced the way a burger is cause that will ruin gaming for the rest of us.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

McDonald's isnt a restaraunt.

How is Valve not responsible for the promises they make. They promised me a release date. They did not just promise me a release date, they stated it as a fact.

they did not promise anyone anything.. they announced in May of '03 that they had been working on HL2 and were expecting it to be ready for Sept. 30th. but nowhere in that announcement did i hear Gabe or any of the Valve pple promise anything to anyone.. even if they had, they can not control things that are out of their hands (hacker anyone?) up until this point u have totally ignored that Valve was hacked and that did push the release date back for however number of months and such.

and the other factor is Steam.. sure it hasn't worked out as well as we wanted but "boo hoo, cry me a river" god, go out and do something else for once instead of sitting at the comp all the time.. sheeeesh..

anyway all this talk of urs about promises and fact of promises is a bunch of bs.. if ur that upset about the delays, don't bother getting HL2.. cause Valve broke ur so called "promise" which i personally don't understand..

and yes, u are a fair weather fan.. probably worse (if there is a such thing) but.. let me tell u a little secret, whether u buy HL2 or not, its going to sell like hotcakes and nobody is gonna care to remember the delays.

 

[blahblahblah]

The reason I said the release date was stated as fact, was that I remember in PC Gamer that Gabe Newell said that it was going to be released on Sep. 30. That made me assume that HL2 was pretty much completed and maybe they were working on bonus material, SDK, or whatever. Apparently I am wrong, so I can admit that.

You guys are probably right that I will be HL2 when it comes back or when I read the first review about that. I just would have liked to Valve done things a little differently. Right now, Valve seems to be doing more than what I expect, they are giving interviews and answering questions. For that I am happy about that.

I think that my last post came across harsher than I intended it to be. The only thing I stand by in my last post is Valve buying up the mods. I was always under the assumption if you make a mod or a map, you are doing it because enjoy the game, not to get a job or make money. If I am wrong, then I am wrong. Oh well.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

did valve PROMISE you guys anything?? just a question because I think the date was taken a bit (as in WAY TO) SERIOUSLY!

:angel:

 

[Dr. Freeman]

did valve PROMISE you guys anything?? just a question because I think the date was taken a bit (as in WAY TO) SERIOUSLY!

:angel:

well someone can correct me and point me to a link as well if im wrong in saying that Valve did not promise and never did use the word promise relating to HL2..

maybe i need to re-quote what i said earlier in the thread.. because anyone that cries bad customer service from Valve is really only taking release dates too seriously.. so for those of u too lazy to go back to the first page of this thread.. heres an encore of one of my points..

pple need to take release dates for all games with a grain of salt.. and not carve it on their chests or something.. cause i imagine that would be very painful.. :upstare:

blahblahblah in ur last post, at least u understand some of what myself and others have tried to explain in the thread and that counts for something. just to show its not just Valve with the delays.. u look at other upcoming games.. most of all have been delayed at one time or another.. Doom3, Stalker(i think), WoW... and who knows how the beta testing for Far Cry is going.. perhaps that game is also bound for a minor delay.. its big business now, and if delaying a game means more financial gains, then it all makes sense..

 

[blahblahblah]

I know delays are apart of game developement that is given. I even expect long term delays (1+ years) for triple A titles (like HL or Doom3). I just wish that they would let us know that they are delaying a game. I honestly dont think it is appropriate to have fans think a game is going to be released when they knew (I imagine) that it would be delayed. But that is my opinion.