i'd take china instead of islam any day!

[RjD]

Just because it's "research" and "published" doesn't mean it's right. I'm sure that there are opposing research saying that there is no correlation between age of exposure and criminal offenders.

Most likely the research fails to solidify causal relations, that MOST men who are exposed at age 14 become offenders, while failing to take into account parents, economic situation, education, and location.

It is possible for research to be flawed. However, if you contend THAT, it is now up to you to find debilitating flaws in it.

ALSO, on a more important note, the research in question did not claim that MOST men exposed at 14 or earlier become offenders.

It has been shown that people who were exposed to porn before reaching 14 are more likely offenders

 

[Ravioli]

If you hate the religion, keep it to yourself.

Ever tried to concider WHY so many people are criticising religion? When a lot of people are having negative viewpoints on something, maybe its time for you to analyze the problem. Instead of saying "religion is fine, we dont want to hear any criticism here, keep it to yourself" you should listen to the arguments and rationalise about it instead of being ignorant.


If so many people hates religion, its a sign that there actually IS something wrong about it, and its time for people to pay attention to it instead of viewing the criticism as nonsense.

 

[Dan]

Ever tried to concider WHY so many people are criticising religion? When a lot of people are having negative viewpoints on something, maybe its time for you to analyze the problem. Instead of saying "religion is fine, we dont want to hear any criticism here, keep it to yourself" you should listen to the arguments and rationalise about it instead of being ignorant.


If so many people hates religion, its a sign that there actually IS something wrong about it, and its time for people to pay attention to it instead of viewing the criticism as nonsense.

When a lot of people have negative viewpoints on something is usually means that they are all getting their bullshit from the same source. Remember that the American people supported the War in Iraq. The agreement of the masses is not a valid argument.

 

[hasan]

Ever tried to concider WHY so many people are criticising religion?

because they've had it shoved up their *** since childhood/teen-age that religion is stupid. They find extremely discomforting that Muslims at large don't have such a view, and that they infact take Islam very seriously. Which translates in your bran to "stupid", "barbaric", etc.

Just so you know, research in psychology is not scientific evidence, in fact a lot of psychology is really hard to prove using the scientific method, because you cannot predict much of anything. Psychology tries to explain behaviour, and it's not always successful in doing that, because of the complicated/sophisticated nature of the human being.

 

[CptStern]

because they've had it shoved up their *** since childhood/teen-age that religion is stupid.

excuse me? that's not at all true, if anything it's the other way around ..they've pushed religion so feverently and in absolute terms that once we reach adulthood we rail against the fact we've been fed bullshit pretty much from the very beginning


you are religious, or at least hold faith in religion, naturally you would dismiss criticism against religion as simply propoganda or bandwagonism ignoring the fact that there may be valid reasons why people think it's "stupid" ..because in some instances it is stupid


I mean do we treat people with respect who believe santa claus to be true? why not ? there's just as much evidence in the existence of santa claus as there is the existence of god ...so what's the difference?

 

[Ennui]

because they've had it shoved up their *** since childhood/teen-age that religion is stupid.

I was raised Christian, my entire family are devout albeit nonpracticing Christians, and I get to deal with awkward silences and weird looks whenever they say grace when I'm at home for dinner, and strange vibes when God/religion becomes the topic of conversation. I am an atheist and I believe religion is (not necessarily stupid but) misguided because that's the conclusion I reached internally after several years of dealing with faith or lack thereof.

 

[RjD]

because they've had it shoved up their *** since childhood/teen-age that religion is stupid.

Um? In USA and most Europe, blatantly anti-religious indoctrination is uncommon in education system.

They find extremely discomforting that Muslims at large don't have such a view, and that they infact take Islam very seriously.

I find this point is of questionable validity. The threat of being executed for thinking the other way may actually discourage Muslims from sincerely sharing their view on subject.

Just so you know, research in psychology is not scientific evidence

Ahem, so psychology is not science?
What is psychology in your opinion, then?

n fact a lot of psychology is really hard to prove using the scientific method, because you cannot predict much of anything.

Oh shit, oh shitohshitshit shit! This is deep.

Psychology tries to explain behaviour, and it's not always successful in doing that, because of the complicated/sophisticated nature of the human being.

Um, and physics is not always successful at explaining particle behavior because of its complicated nature.

Physics not science now?

Dude, read the wiki, at least. I provided the link for you.

 

[jverne]

oh hasan, you fail at intellectualism

comparing homosexuality to car type/color preference is just plain dumb.

sexuality does affect other people; it affects this thing called the structure of society.

no it's not dumb, it's exactly the same. it is preference. choosing a big gas guzzler also changes the structure of society, change happens because people have different desires. deal with it. as a matter of fact you "dealt" with it, that's why you live in a godforsaken medieval, society. nice going

QUOTE=hasan;2591632]So you feel that sex in public should be allowed and there should be no laws to "protect" children from seeing sexual acts?

[/QUOTE]

true our society is not perfect but it is centuries better than yours.

sex in public could be allowed but besides the mentioned arguments there are also other which are not in favor, like contaminating public places with bodily fluids and other possibly hazardous materials.

i think children should be taught about sex the moment they learn to speak. humans are sexual beings and sex permeates their life thoroughly. because religion tabooed sex we in the "west" have the problems we have. look at japan and their openness to sex.

no, it has big baring to the arguments.

I find your idea of gayness and adultery being totally ok, I find it outrageous. However I find myself unable to explain to why such is the case, because I don't understand what are your "first principles" for arguing these kinds of issues.

that's because you're an emotionally repressed, brainwashed fool.


what i meant that i'd take china instead of islam is because their ideology is more humanistic and they are more open minded to human basic needs. but yes they are both pretty shitty, so i'll just stick to the west.


oh and i really don't want to debate with you about science, since we all know what the outcome would be.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

because they've had it shoved up their *** since childhood/teen-age that religion is stupid. They find extremely discomforting that Muslims at large don't have such a view, and that they infact take Islam very seriously. Which translates in your bran to "stupid", "barbaric", etc.

You really cannot believe the bullshit that the government/propoganda has told you. I have several friends who are muslims (my area being a muslim heavy area). The thing we find disconforting is the fact that 40% of muslims want Sharia law in this country. I'm sorry, but if you immigrate to the UK, you obey OUR laws. You don't get to demand that we don't drink alcohol in public, or that we stop flying the union jack, as some muslims do in this country. And you esspecially don't get to critise our morals when WE have the moral highground.

Yes, not every muslims believe that, and it is not the majority judging from the 40% mark, but what is disconforting is that there are that many here, in the UK, treatening the freedom that our ancestors fought and died for.

And we do not get taught that islam is evil in school, the religious education system is remarkbly unbaised in a country with 2/3rds nonreligious.

scientific method

Coming from a guy who denied evolution.

 

[Kyorisu]

Just because it's "research" and "published" doesn't mean it's right. I'm sure that there are opposing research saying that there is no correlation between age of exposure and criminal offenders.

Most likely the research fails to solidify causal relations, that MOST men who are exposed at age 14 become offenders, while failing to take into account parents, economic situation, education, and location.

What I posted covered years 11 and under as it becomes harder to tell what the effects of exposure are on teenagers. In fact I don't think we have any hard evidence to argue it one way or the other. More studies need to be undertaken to see just what effect all the sex in our media causes on young teens. Still my own personal opinion is that it does effect them maybe not to such a degree as a young child but they are still developing as human beings.

Lastly you mentions things such as parenting, wealth, etc all of which can vastly change how a child develops especially education. They are taken into account when necessary.

Just so you know, research in psychology is not scientific evidence, in fact a lot of psychology is really hard to prove using the scientific method, because you cannot predict much of anything. Psychology tries to explain behaviour, and it's not always successful in doing that, because of the complicated/sophisticated nature of the human being.

But when it is successful it's certainly no fluke. Just like sciences in general hypothesis are made, tested, and proven or disproved. I don't actually understand why you posted this. Sexual exposure to the young ones has been proven to be bad for them (We have the scientific evidence and statistics to prove it). Rattling on about how sometimes phych fails to explain certain behavior doesn't add to the topic at hand.

Just so you know, research in psychology is not scientific evidence

And to make it perfectly clear. Psychological studies follow the same methods that any other science follows. Thus the results gained from those studies are scientific in nature. Please shut your mouth next time.

because they've had it shoved up their *** since childhood/teen-age that religion is stupid. They find extremely discomforting that Muslims at large don't have such a view, and that they infact take Islam very seriously. Which translates in your bran to "stupid", "barbaric", etc.

Bull. I very much like the Islamic/Muslim people that live in my country as long as they separate their religious views from Australia's views, which really isn't hard. I know many well respected Muslim people who get along just fine. Yes they cop a fair bit of flak from bogan morons but overall they do just fine.

You might also be interested to know that Australia is a very religious country. The shear amount of churches where I live is insane. Hell there are 3-4 (I think 4 might be pushing it) in the small country town I live in.

1. At the end of my street. Church street, go figure.
2. Across the road from the Primary School.
3. Now a hall? across the road from 2.
4. ??? I at least I think it's a church I don't go near it often enough.

When a lot of people have negative viewpoints on something is usually means that they are all getting their bullshit from the same source. Remember that the American people supported the War in Iraq. The agreement of the masses is not a valid argument.

There are exceptions to the rule.