Intresting read on Scalar E-magnetic's and it's profound reality (Zero point energy)

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Bear with this one , its a longish read, but fascinating and very rewarding. If you wish to read the whole article >HERE < it is

For the past six months I have been undergoing the greatest paradigm shift I have ever had to go through. It has rattled my nerves and shaken my bones. This intense adjustment of my "world"has come about by studying the information given by Col. Tom Bearden at his website Cheniere. The new knowledge there has necessitated a total revision of my ideas about physical reality, the world we live in, and the future of humanity.
This paradigm shifting even actually made me dizzy on certain days as I tried to absorb and digest Bearden's vast amount of information. I am not a scientist at all, just a layman, and I have little comprehension of the math and high physics of this new science called "Scalar Electromagnetics."But there is a great deal of information at Cheniere which needs to become common knowledge as fast as possible, for the sake of the survival of life on earth.

To that end I have put together this small primer of Bearden's ideas, as a kind of "beginner's guide" to his website. (I have tried to underline certain words and phrases which are part of the new "jargon" of talking about these "new" phenomena. Also I have taken the liberty of bolding certain words and phrases to help them stick in the mind).


(Note: Throughout "EM" means "electromagnetic," and "LW" means "longitudinal wave")
You can download this article in Word format

This article has six sections:
1. New Waves 2. Tapping the Waves 3. Weaponization 4. Healing 5. Psychoenergetics 6. As It Stands

1. New waves discovered
Longitudinal EM energy fills vacuum of space, the time domain of spacetime, time as compressed energy, E=tc2, waves of time, phase conjugate wave pairs.

"Electric power is everywhere present in unlimited quantities and can drive the world's machinery without the need of coal, oil, gas, or any other of the common fuels." Nikola Tesla

"At any point and at any time, one can freely and inexpensively extract enormous EM energy flows directly from the active vacuum itself." Tom Bearden


I guess the first thing to try to comprehend is that a "new" kind of electromagnetic (EM) wave has been discovered in the empty vacuum of space which, when engineered, can be an inexhaustible supply of energy in great magnitude at any place in the universe. The word "new" is in quotes because the discovery really goes back to Nikola Tesla and his discovery of what he called "radiant energy." It is also not "new" because the Russians (KGB) have been working on this technology for over 30 years and have weaponized these "new" longitudinal scalar waves to a great degree.
These are the weapons Nikita Khrushchev spoke of in January, 1960.
"By 1957-8 the Soviets had progressed to the point of a giant scalar EM accident in the Urals which exploded nearby atomic wastes, devastating the area. They had also progressed to development of great new superweapons using their new energetics - weapons to which Khrushchev referred in 1960 when he informed the Soviet Presidium of a new, fantastic weapon in development, a weapon so powerful that it could wipe out all life on earth if unrestrainedly employed.'" Tom Bearden

After over 30 years of development, and extensive testing around the globe, these new scalar electromagnetic weapons are up and running and ready to go. Tom Bearden, at his website Cheniere, dicusses the history of these new scalar electromagnetic weapons in his paper "Historical Background of Scalar EM Weapons."

Some Immediate Implications

The implications of successful engineering of the longitudinal waves are enormous, and will change the world as we know it, one way or another. Among other things, these discoveries mean that:

1. The solutions to the energy crisis and the "oil problem" are in hand. These oil wars are unnecessary. There is endless energy available freely from the domain of time.

2. Unbelievably powerful weapons are not only possible, but are already operating in several nations. The many powers of these weapons are unprecedented and mind-boggling.

3. The cure of diseases such as cancer and AIDS, in fact nearly any disease, has become possible within a few years of sufficient funding. Everyone can be made healthy and stay healthy.

4. Mind control on a mass scale has now become possible, and the machines to do it are already in place in certain nations. It has become possible to mentally enslave whole populations with the twist of a few dials.



So the layman will need to understand that there is a new kind of electromagnetic energy that is altogether different from what he knows, e.g. radio, TV, cell phones, etc. The ordinary EM waves that we have known about are called transverse EM waves, to distinguish them from the new longitudinal EM waves. These scalar waves do not actually exist in our "material" world, but exist only in the vacuum of empty space, or the time domain. And we must keep in mind that this vacuum of space we speak of exists all through everything. Even our bodies are mostly empty space between atoms and molecules. So the gateway to this seething ocean of energy can be there at every point in the universe. This seething ocean of energy is all around us and all through us.




Emptiness is Full

This amazing discovery announces that the "emptiness" of empty space is in fact not empty, but a great ocean of seething energy!

Col. Bearden refers to this ocean of energy as being of the "time domain." Energy out of time? It seems like something from Star Trek but this is the point which the new science of scalar electromagnetics has reached. And where it is going may be beyond anything Star Trek could have dreamed of.

We live in a 3-dimensional world, which physics calls "3-space." But there is also spacetime, or 4-space, or the "4th dimension." Then suddenly comes this amazing new knowledge that time itself is actually compressed energy. And it is energy which is compressed by exactly the same factor by which matter is considered compressed energy: the speed-of-light-squared!

So we have a new companion to the famous E=mc2. It is now paired with E=tc2 (where t is actually "delta-t," or change in time). Or (amaze your family and friends and) say:

"E equals em-cee-squared"
and
"E equals delta-tee-cee-squared"

It has a nice ring to it, like some freedom bell announcing a new era.

And as the atomic bomb released the compressed energy in matter, so can we now unleash the tremendous energy that is compressed into time itself. It gives a completely new meaning to the term "time bomb."



Some New Terminology of Scalar Electromagnetics

A new science, several new names

"Those [Russian] weapon scientists resurrected an old term from the history of electrodynamics, called "energetics". That is their approach to a unified field theory, where everything is based on "energetics". This model as its foundations uses a very similar approach to that "single fundamental unit" model, where energy is the unit. If one makes the energy EM in nature, then one has the Russian energetics approach. This unified approach gathers everything in, including all energy actions and relations in inert matter (the first branch of energetics, called by the same name), all field and matter interactions in living matter (the second branch of energetics, called "bioenergetics"), and all mind operations and mind-matter interactions (the third branch of energetics, called "psychoenergetics"). [ed: sometimes also called "psychotronics" by the Russians]

"Note that the weaponeers sliced energetics into three branches, with each branch depending on the nature of the "targeting".

"So I took a hint from them, since the stuff and the approach worked. They had already weaponized it highly."

Bearden : http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/021502a.htm
See also "Subdivisions of Soviet Energetics"




Rick Andersen in an article called "What is Scalar Electromagnetics?" describes the new science this way:

"Scalar EM is the brainchild of Lt. Col. (retired) Thomas E. Bearden, a systems analyst and wargames specialist who has been advocating a view of electromagnetics which is based on the notion of a vast, unseen background of scalar energies (as opposed to vector energies) which underlie all physical reality.

"If Bearden is correct in his Scalar EM theory, then we can build devices which would enable us to alter gravity, time, inertia, and the apparent mass of an object. This of course has ENORMOUS implications for military applications, space-vehicle drives, time-travel, teleportation, paranormal phenomena, and just about every other area one can think of." http://twm.co.nz/Beard_scalem.html

"Time-energy, time-currents, and time-structuring play the dominant role in electromagnetics. Time-as-energy eventually becomes engineerable, as easily as is spatial energy now. We are always dealing with spacetime and with spacetime curvature."

Bearden:http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/Vision 2000 paper.doc

The scalar energy discovered in the vacuum of space is sometimes called "zero-point" energy. Thomas Valone explains how this term came about.



What does "Zero Point" mean?

"Boyer traces the historical ?creation of the vacuum? as proceeding in stages in parallel with the historical development of ideas about the vacuum. To paraphrase, he says that in the 17th century, it was thought that a totally empty volume of space could be created by simply removing all matter and, in particular, all gases. That was our first concept of the vacuum. Just get rid of all the gas.

Late in the 19th century, it became apparent that the region still contained thermal radiation. But it seemed that the radiation might be eliminated by cooling. So the second concept of getting a real vacuum is to cool it down to zero temperature. Just go all the way to absolute zero. Then we?ve got a real vacuum. Right? Well, since then, both theory and experiment have shown that there is a non-thermal radiation in the vacuum and that it persists even if the temperature could be lowered to absolute zero. Therefore, it was simply called the ?zero point? radiation."

Thomas Valone http://www.seaspower.com/InsideZeroPoint.htm







2. Tapping the waves

Endless free energy, Tesla's radiant energy, the dipole as the gateway to the energy of the void, MEG in one year, Bedini, Yakuza, etc. End of Oil, geopolitical chaos, rogue groups
Move Over G.E. & Big Oil, Energy is Everywhere!
Third-world nations set to rise

"Certain powerful interests did not wish the extended electromagnetics to be discovered or taught. That, after all, would lead to free energy and loss of economic control of the citizens. That was precisely why Nikola Tesla had already been suppressed ... Today it is still being suppressed by the orthodox establishment." http://www.cheniere.org/books/ferdelance/s25.htm

The vast seething ocean of energy of the vacuum, the longitudinal scalar EM waves of the time domain, can now be tapped and "transduced" into ordinary (transverse) EM energy in our 3-Space world. The process can be compared to putting a paddlewheel into a river. The energy acquired is free, since the river is there flowing whether we tap it or not. And it is a mighty river, and is not diminished by our paddlewheel.

This means that a permanent solution to the "energy crisis" is at hand, if only those who hold it so secret would give it up to humankind.

It means our species' insane use of oil is no longer necessary. We can make automobiles that need no fuel at all. We can build motors that power themselves. It means that unlimited electrical power can be available for free anywhere in the world. Every house and even shack can have its own power supply.

Of course there is the cost of the equipment at first, but the energy flow is free for the presumably very long life (no moving parts) of the generator. It will probably take decades to shift over to scalar power.

But the ability to tap the scalar (longitudinal) EM waves of the vacuum (which exists everywhere) also means that unbelievably powerful weapons can be, and already have been developed. In fact these weapons are so dangerous that the fear engendered becomes a psychological obstacle to the grasping of the facts.

I struggled with this myself for months, and even though Tom Bearden had completely convinced me already, it is hard to accept the fact that for everyone on earth the "worst that might happen" has suddenly gotten much worse. It takes time to deal with that, to realize it and get over it.

Indeed, the possibilities of these new weapons, which are tapping the huge energies of time, are so terrifying it is natural for the mind to simply say: "I don't want to hear about that."

And the government, likewise, pretends these weapons do not exist and tries to keep it secret from the people. Because most people would indeed be truly alarmed to know the actual situation. Col. Tom Bearden has decided that the people need to know the truth anyway. As a People on a Planet we must face this now, and ban the use of scalar weapons in war or in mass mind control. The current deployment of these weapons is a world emergency which we must all face.
 
I don't get how you go from unlimited energy to healing powers and mind control. . .
 
a second bit I selected.

5. Are the Russians making "UFOs?"

Scalar electromagnetics engineering opens the possibility of antigravity vehicles and "hyperspace travel." In other words we can now make our own UFO's! Of such scalar-powered antigravity vehicles, which have now become possible, Bearden has this to say:

"We might expect to see such vehicles glowing. Their various surface features and mechanisms might appear to be glowing or revolving lights, etc.

"They could exhibit incredible "aerodynamic performance," seemingly in the atmosphere. Actually they would not be moving "through" the atmosphere at all, but through a higher space outside each particle of atmosphere.

"They could seem to materialize and dematerialize.

"They could seem to plunge into the ocean or rise out of it.

"They could even seem to operate under the ocean or inside the earth itself.

"Such anomalous vehicle performances have been seen all over the world, particularly since a few years after WWII.

"It appears that one or more nations of Earth are operating such vehicles now in great secrecy. Our own "government" may even be one of these.

"If so, it isn't our true "government/government." Instead, it's the "control group/government." It's government at the operational level, but at higher level it belongs to certain control groups who have penetrated our government's vitals and taken over all such projects."

Bearden http://www.cheniere.org/books/ferdelance/slide32.htm

In an excellent article on her Earthfiles website, Linda Moulton Howe reports on the utter bafflement of Norwegian scientists over mysterious lights appearing in the valley of Hessdalen, Norway.



She writes of the research there: "The results can be broken down into two groups: 95% are thermal plasmas and 5% are unidentified solid objects. The plasmas emit long wave radio frequencies and strangely, their temperatures do not vary with change in size or brightness." She quotes the scientists' research summary:

"1) most of the luminous phenomenon is a thermal plasma;
2) the light-balls are not single objects but are constituted of many small components which are vibrating around a common barycenter;
3) the light-balls are able to eject smaller light-balls;
4) the light-balls change shape all the time;
5) the luminosity increase of the light balls is due to the increase of the radiating area. But the cause, and the physical mechanism with which radiation is emitted, is currently unknown."

This would almost certainly seem to be another example of the testing of the scalar howitzers. It is baffling because, as Bearden points out repeatedly, Western scientists have limited knowledge of the scalar electromagnetic principles by which the howitzers operate. The Hessdalen scientists were completely baffled as to where the energy of these plasma balls was coming from.

Ms. Howe interviews Massimo Teodorani, Ph.D., Astrophysicist, who released the report on the 2001 Hessdalen sightings. The scientist speaks of the baffling phenomon observed.

"I don't know how it is possible that Nature is spontaneously able to do that. Anyway, we deduce that the plasma is trapped inside a sort of magnetic cage and the magnetic cage closes around the plasma and keeps it fixed in some way, prevents it from expanding. But where does it come from? We don't know."

By what we have been considering here, we can recognize the signatures of scalar electromagnetic engineering. If it is a Tesla howitzer, then the energy for the plasma balls is coming from the vacuum of spacetime at the very location of the balls themselves, triggered by scalar interferometers aimed through the woodpecker grid.

These kind of balls can be used as marker beacons giving feedback for precision aiming of the howitzers. The energy of the marker beacon can be read back into the computers giving precise location information for pinpoint aiming. The target area can be very small, or widened out.

There is a little movie of one of the Hessdalen plasma balls here. It would seem to be a clear documentation of a scalar howitzer marker-beacon. How many other current "UFO" sightings are actually the witnessing of Tesla howitzer tests?

In fact there are a great many anomalous events of the past few decades which might very well be explained by the Russian testing of their longitudinal electromagnetic weapons. It would seem that the mysterious appearance of crop circles around the world could be accomplished by feeding a precise mathematical graphic pattern into the computerized aiming software and change the very molecular structure of the crops themselves along the lines of that pattern. The stalks fall over from the localized effect of the longitudinal waves. A plasma ball tracing patterns? Are they slyly sending a message to see if we are "getting it" yet?


The "Cambridge Angel" - Made by Russian scalar plasma balls?

Also see: Interview with Tom Bearden


(Slide from Cheniere.org)




4. Healing powers of longitudinal waves
Healing via longitudinal waves, time reversal of cells (de-differentiation), Priore's machine, Bearden?s proposed "blanket" version, using the electric power grid for healing waves or for broadcasting disease patterns. Scalar Biowar.


The good news!

"Any sort of disease whatsoever - physical or mental - will be rapidly curable, simply and cheaply. It will be possible to reverse aging and rejuvenate the person. It will be possible to regrow limbs and straighten misshapen spines - and directly remove the causes of mental diseases and cure them as well. Lifespan will be staggeringly increased, without 'old age's debilitation.' AIDS, cancer, leukemia, and genetic diseases will be completely conquered. The potential for a true golden era is upon us, for all humanity."

Bearden- http://twm.co.nz/beard_interview.htm
 
Hazar Dakiri said:
I don't get how you go from unlimited energy to healing powers and mind control. . .

simple. Energy has a universal presence, it effect's and exist's in everything, manipulating it allows you to interfere anyway, in whatever way possible, from creating electricity to making an object implode, or manipulating the way a person think's by changing the energy makeup in the brain, if someone expose's you to intesified scalar magnetic field's that can be focused on an area of your brain, you could loose control of an arm, or anything, even loose memory.
 
Seems pretty far off. Have they got any actual proof?

I'd be wicked cool if we got that technology though.
 
Hazar Dakiri said:
Seems pretty far off. Have they got any actual proof?

I'd be wicked cool if we got that technology though.

I believe we do, but in a world of people who fall on orthodox established society to provide them a living, to keep modern buisness alive, you can imagine anyone deeply involved with any of it wouldnt be very willing to let people ponder on and change their way's, even if it bettered mankind, (but that's the kind of people who where bought up and raised to accept the world as it is, with constant war and no abundance, to them it's just one selfish game of survival and leverage).They cant see the bigger picture, which is we could very well all help each other , if we were strong enough to decide oneday.

But I say look at the moral implication's, look into your heart, we where made to move forward and not stand still, we were made to persue the truth.

3rd world countries would benifit indefinately, again country's like the US and population controling country's might not like the idea of everyone in the world being on equal terms, as they have no leverage over the population. But those people have always been paranoid, and to be quite honest belong back in the times of the Saxon's where they prefered control over the truth, and would silence anyone who openly opposed them.
 
Ya, this guy doesn't exactly write professionally. I really want to believe this, but it's hard to imagine. Is there any proof of this, other than this guys article?
 
Clarky what is it with you and alien theories? ;)
I always start reading some interesting science and then next thing...boom it's the X files :borg:

Where do you dig this up?
 
Death.Trap said:
Ya, this guy doesn't exactly write professionally. I really want to believe this, but it's hard to imagine. Is there any proof of this, other than this guys article?

There's image's on the site of a individual static Scalar electromagnetic generator.

The very first permanent magnet motor has had a video taken of it.

http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2004/06/30/6900029PerendevPowerMagneticMotor/

http://www.perendev-power.com/home.htm

Seaspower are voicing and developing these technologies for the world benifit's, New buisness can be created.

http://www.seaspower.com

The disclosure project's conference for 2004 is on 25th of this month. Televised I hope.

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

loads of other account's I cant even remember, lol, Research John Searl ;).

A british inventor who claimed to have created an anti-gravity permanent magnet gryo.

http://www.sisrc.com/a1.htm

Where do you dig this up?

my dad signed up to thedisclosureproject to show them his support.

ever since then I became intrested, I always felt there was something more to reality, and youd be suprised what you can find ;).
 
Sorry. It looks like a hoax to me. To con investors out of money.
 
yeh, *sarcasm voice*,Im sure Perendev said were gonna buy thousand's of Euro's worth of material's, and labour out on piece injection molding and hard work, to build a permanent magnet motor to con investors out of their money, and then get put in jail or sued when they find out you conned them, sure. :sleep:

you didnt even check the site, but here is the video walk round for your viewing pleasure, or confusion, whatever.

http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2004/06/30/6900029PerendevPowerMagneticMotor/

2/8 th's of the page down middle right, Prototype II

cant miss it.



an article from a previous skeptic.

http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/articles/york/esv1n4.htm

an actual set up of an experiment to induce scalar wave fomation is included,, although as he say's, if its atall possible for you to try, Do Not, unless trained, as leathal voltages are used in his experiment.
If I had not gotten my hands dirty and followed through on others' experiments from other observers then I would never have been convinced that something extraordinary was taking place.
 
induce scalar wave fomation

doh, missed edit :(

sorry must correct myself, his set ups detect scalar wave's :p

but hes only brushing the surface
 
yo clarky, you sould like you should check out this website:

www.coasttocoastam.com

cool stuff there. they have interviews allll the time with well... people like steven greer from disclosure project, and etc etc...

it's an american radio show, but you might find an affiliate in the UK, or you can listen on the internet. good stuff :thumbs:
 
thanks Jackal, that's some really intresting stuff, It's hard to know what to believe and what not to believe, but I say the truth is more important than ever believing in something, but you could say I believe in the truth:), and at the moment, the world events smell terribly fishy, if lie's and coverups had a smell my intuition is smelling them right now.

but im always open minded,. Afterall we didnt create this universe.
 
Sorry to be so negative all the time but isn't a little odd how the Zpower site was last updated on the 30th September 2004? That would make it 8 days in the future. Meh, the guy who updated the site probably just had his clock not set properly.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. G'night everyone.
 
JimmehH said:
Sorry to be so negative all the time but isn't a little odd how the Zpower site was last updated on the 30th September 2004? That would make it 8 days in the future. Meh, the guy who updated the site probably just had his clock not set properly.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. G'night everyone.


They're obviously hinting at the fact that they've discovered time travel. ;)
 
Hey Clarky, I have actually been trying to keep up with this magnetic motor thing and haven't heard any news. It was supposed to be on German TV in September. As I'm writing this, the 21st of September is coming to a close with no new news. You willing to call this a hoax yet? Or a permament delay?
 
blahblahblah said:
Hey Clarky, I have actually been trying to keep up with this magnetic motor thing and haven't heard any news. It was supposed to be on German TV in September. As I'm writing this, the 21st of September is coming to a close with no new news. You willing to call this a hoax yet? Or a permament delay?

Hoax :)
 
If the mods don't mind me saying this but....

That is some freaky shit!I just read that and my mind just had a meltdown.
 
blahblahblah said:
Hey Clarky, I have actually been trying to keep up with this magnetic motor thing and haven't heard any news. It was supposed to be on German TV in September. As I'm writing this, the 21st of September is coming to a close with no new news. You willing to call this a hoax yet? Or a permament delay?
Or just a regular delay...kinda like HL2?
 
Patience is a virtue, It'll be around in the media at some point.

but if people take on skeptical attitude's that prefer to dismiss than pay attention, then the news will travel slower, if they do a good job of advertising the technology, then it'll encourage the process,

but can you image the question's that crop up from many people in the world, Green peace and all, why are we still using oil? will be the one question.

they'll be uproar , when it's proven it work's, oil company's will have a tough time of it from their paying customer's aswell when they find out how much cheaper this alternate energy is. It could be stupidly cheap.

definately not priced in barrel's, so you dont need to weigh that up agains sell price to make a profit.

I think its ashame, but Perendev would of had so many pressure's brought to bear and threat's from oil company's, generally because the oil industry and nuclear industry would fear for their buisness if this came into public use.

They have to prove it work's to the public, but I understand Scalar Electromagnetic's and the honesty from behind the people who got their hands dirty with it, makes me more than encouraged about any validity. Im just showing my support, doing my little bit, informing the younger generation's.
 
1st you have to prove it works. Then you can start this kind of propaganda.

I have no doubt that eventually this kind of technology will be widely available, but for now I don't.
 
All that talk of mysterious, untraceable weaponry assures me that there'll be plenty of Tunguska conspiracy theories flying around soon.

Also, scientists claim to have broken the speed of light (which from the sounds of things appears to be much more plausible that this). Ahem, from http://science.howstuffworks.com/news-item6.htm.
Scientists have found ways to break that speed limit. In one experiment performed by researchers at the NEC Research Institute in Princeton, N.J., a pulse of light was sent through a transparent chamber filled with specially prepared cesium gas and was pushed to travel at speeds of 300 times the normal speed of light. The light travels so fast that the main part of the light pulse exits the chamber even before it enters. Theoretically, this means that you could see a moment in time before it actually takes place.
 
venturon said:
All that talk of mysterious, untraceable weaponry assures me that there'll be plenty of Tunguska conspiracy theories flying around soon.

Also, scientists claim to have broken the speed of light (which from the sounds of things appears to be much more plausible that this). Ahem, from http://science.howstuffworks.com/news-item6.htm.

nice read, but I alway's thought light to be just a medium which we percieve anyway, not a universal maximum for speed.

but Scalar wave's could be used to manipulate the fabric of space, where you essentially fold space around you, you exist in a bubble where force's are obsorbed by the bubble effect warping space fabric, (taking your own space with you) , which would basically mean using Scalar, you could create a warp drive :O.
 
Eric's History of Perpetual Motion and Free Energy Machines
http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html

Tom Bearden - A Critical Examination of His Claims
http://www.phact.org/e/z/BeardenReview.htm

A skeptical look at the MEG claims of Thomas Bearden
http://www.phact.org/e/z/bearden.htm

Critical Notes on Tom Bearden
http://quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/bearden.htm

Also, this is some interesting information. If you look at Tom Bearden's biography on his website it says:

Bearden, Thomas E.

Ph.D., nuclear engineer, retired Lieutenant Colonel (U.S. Army)...

At first I thought, wow a PhD in nuclear engineering. That seems to be some pretty substantial credentials.

But come to find out he doesn't even have a real PhD at all. Kind of misleading isn't it?

http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Beware/Bearden_Bogus_PhD/index.html#Investigative Report
Tom Bearden's PhD is Based on 'life experiences and knowledge'

He got this "degree" for life experiences from Trinity college, which disapeared for a while, but is now back at:

http://www.trinity-college.edu/index.html

They apparently also have branches in Pakistan and Lebanon. Reminds me of those "Free University Diploma" ads I always get in my e-mail spam. I can't believe he actually puts the title of "PhD" behind his name.

And doesn't it seem a bit odd that he has to make money from selling books, DVD's, and Posters on his website when he's the inventor of such an important device. :rolleyes:

Also, I find it rather funny that these "free energy" claims so often go hand in hand with all sorts of wild conspiracy theories. For example Tom Bearden thinks the US weather is being controlled by the Russians. I think that is a pretty good indication of something...
 
Also, I find it rather funny that these "free energy" claims so often go hand in hand with all sorts of wild conspiracy theories. For example Tom Bearden thinks the US weather is being controlled by the Russians. I think that is a pretty good indication of something...


I dont blame you being sceptical neutrino, but the science far outway's the skeptical attitude (those article's are written by modern scientist's with 'established' opinion's no doubt), besides it's natural to fall back on established opinion, its all we know. But again, we didnt create this universe.

Tom Bearden isnt an advanced physicist, infact the very concept of Vaccum energy, and Scalar wave's dont need you to be some sort of genius to comprehend and experiment. But for some reason those article's state and critisise him on that very point, lol, and they poke fun at his credential's.. like you need to be some kind of brilliant mind to conceive this kind of thing.


I just re-read the original MEG paper for a laugh, and found especial amusement in the graph at the back, that projected 'COP' 45 @ 600v. It's very apparent, that whoever wrote the MEG paper, and one has to finger Thomas E. Bearden in this respect, has never heard of a B-H curve, or normal magnetization curve, for magnetic materials.

This is about as basic as you can get in graduate level physics. 600v would massively over saturate the core. Any idiot can see that. It takes a mega idiot, to not see something that obvious. The more you look into it, the more the question becomes not 'why did the MEG project fail?' but rather 'how on earth did they manage to hold it together for so long.'

its 1 of a few derogatory statement's that is just 'speculating' without any real knowledge or practical understanding.

infact I wouldnt be suprised if they havnt tried for detection of scalar waves, and that encourages their scepticsim (also their 'established' scientific line of work most likely doesnt encourage them to think of Bearden's work as valid). But again it's an overall biased attitude derived from their present understanding. and it seems your sharing it.. really all you can do if you want to understand this more Neutrino is email Perendev Politely about their work, and try to do experiment's for yourself, perhaps get in contact with Seaspower,

being petty and Complaining about Bearden as a skeptic is one thing, proving him wrong is another thing. Besides it's nice to know the truth about the situation rather than slag a man down for his claim's, just because your own scientific belief's dont coincide.
 
clarky003 said:
its 1 of a few derogatory statement's that is just 'speculating' without any real knowledge or practical understanding.

That is just one quote of many that criticize his work. And that one wasn't even by the author of the article. There is a lot more information in those articles that bring up many points agaisnt him. I'd suggest reading this entire article: http://www.phact.org/e/z/BeardenReview.htm

clarky003 said:
being petty and Complaining about Bearden as a skeptic is one thing, proving him wrong is another thing. Besides it's nice to know the truth about the situation rather than slag a man down for his claim's, just because your own scientific belief's dont coincide.

See, I don't understand this attitude at all. This seems to happen all the time with these sorts of claims. The burden of proof and acceptance is somehow shifted over to the skeptic. We, the skeptics, are suppose to discover the "truth about the situation."

I think that's ridiculous. If someone wants to make claims that go against all of mainstream science then it is their burden of proof, not anyone elses. If they are for real and serious about it then they can build one and show people. It's not that hard really. But of course, there are always "reasons" as to why they can't do that. I see it over and over again. Someone claims to have solved all the worlds problems by inventing something in their garage. People say, ok that's great, show us. And that's where it always stops. Nobody can ever produce real evidence to support any of these fantastical claims.

Now don't get me wrong. If they do then that would be great. I would happily admit to being wrong if someone finally builds and demonstrates a "free energy" device. It just hasn't and probably never will happen. But of course I'm willing to entertain the possibility.

As for Tom Bearden, it's pretty obvious the man is a crackpot. Personally, if I was trying to seriously investigate or develop free energy I'd stay as far away from the man as possible in order to keep a credible reputation.
 
As for Tom Bearden, it's pretty obvious the man is a crackpot. Personally, if I was trying to seriously investigate or develop free energy I'd stay as far away from the man as possible in order to keep a credible reputation.

okay Neutrino, you stick with your established belief's ;)

but remember back to the time when Copernicus was ridiculed for knowing the world was round, enough said :E , I just think it's immature to slate Burden as a nut job. A purely biased opposed response based on what you as an individual think of how the universe work's, but I'll say again, this physical universe was around way before we as a species became a part of it.

and in that article it boils down to the only justification being that what Burden states threaten's their job's, views and knowledge in 'established' science, provoking their response.

here's Burden's response off that site.

Tony,



Yes, I was awarded the Ph.D. for life experience and for life accomplishment (from Trinity College - Ed.), and I make no attempt to conceal it. I was awarded the Legion of Merit in Vietnam for similar reasons. If that makes it "bogus", so be it. I was also listed in Who's Who in Aviation and Aerospace, 1983, National Aeronautical Institute. I don't know what others may have done, but to obtain the doctorate for experience, I first was required to prepare a formal Ph.D. thesis, as is normal, and do several months of additional work for it. As might be expected, my thesis advanced the first legitimate theory of COP>1.0 EM systems, freely extracting energy from the vacuum. It also contained the first formal correction to Aristotelian logic since Aristotle advanced it. My M.S. in nuclear engineering was awarded by Georgia Tech under full rigor, as was my B.S. in mathematics from what is today Northeast Louisiana University. Those are the credentials, and one can take it or leave it.



One might point out that Heaviside --- whose equations are studied in university as "Maxwell's equations", and who originated some powerful mathematical methods as well --- never even attended university but was totally self-taught. Today, a very great many people for more than a century have happily used Heaviside's work, not really caring whether he had a Ph.D. or not.



The real judge is what a fellow does and the worth or non-worth of it. My book, Energy from the Vacuum, speaks for itself. My years of work in scalar interferometry --- trying desperately to get this nation to develop adequate defenses --- has in fact now been verified, both experimentally and theoretically, and scalar interferometry was the basis for Secretary of Defense Cohen's public statement in 1997 at a conference in Athens, Georgia --- the first confirmation of those weapons by a high U.S. government official. We do have adequate defenses today, at least a little bit as a result of some of my own hard work in convincing the system. Unfortunately the energetics weapons have now spread to even more powerful quantum potential weapons and negative energy EMP, so my weapons efforts are still continuing in that respect. Defending this nation comes first; after that comes the rest.



I'm quite willing to let that be the final arbiter.



Best wishes,



Tom
 
clarky003 said:
okay Neutrino, you stick with your established belief's ;)

No, I won't stick with my "established beliefs". I'll stick with factual science, which is built on a couple hundred years of hard work, not a couple hours of tinkering in the garage. Thanks. But I'm more than willing to change my view of things if real evidence is presented in the case.

clarky003 said:
but remember back to the time when Copernicus was ridiculed for knowing the world was round, enough said :E

Ya, and the world is just a bit different now. That's not very relavent.

clarky003 said:
I just think it's immature to slate Burden as a nut job.

You can call it being immature if you wish. I call it common sense.

http://www.cheniere.org/toc2.htm

Let's look at a few things. According to Tom Bearden:

- The US weather is controlled by the Russians.
- The US space shuttle has been shot down by Russians.
- The Gulf War Disease was caused by the Russians.
- There is a Neurophone that transmits messages directly into the brain. And this science has of course been taken over by, you guessed it, the Russians.
- There is a coming attack on the US by communist Energetic Superweapons.
- All of science is wrong. He is right.
- 8 nations are using Western Austrailia as a target range for secrte weapon experiments.

...and I could go on and on, but that was just with a few minutes of browsing his website. Sorry if I'm being "immature", but I take the claims of such a person with a large grain of salt. I hardly see how that is being unreasonable.

clarky003 said:
and in that article it boils down to the only justification being that what Burden states threaten's their job's, views and knowledge in 'established' science, provoking their response.

Come on, now whose the one sticking to their established beliefs?

Why is every fantastic claim and conspiracy thoery automatically seen as probably true by you, while anything that questions them is automatically seen as false? You always accuse everyone else of being biased, when you are just as biased in the opposite way.


Oh and about his response to the PhD thing, yes I read it. Yes he doesn't try to conceal it now that somewhat made him admit it. Before then, however, he didn't seem very inclined to mention it. I'm still apalled that he uses it as a title on technical papers.
 
look I'm not defending Bearden, i couldnt care about him using Scalar as a weapon , infact Im disgusted at the idea.

my point about Copernicus.. is more than valid, it shows the bare essence of people not being able to see beyond belief (which was influenced by higher authority), obviously it did change, but people of the time where inclined to believe the world was flat because of the 'Scientific' bickering's of the time.

Im more intrested in the disclosure project's conference on the 25th of this month :) and using Perendev's principles to concieve and create a rotor/generator combined for home usage
 
clarky003 said:
look I'm not defending Bearden

Well, it certainlly seemed as if you were. Plus your original quotes that started this thread are about him.

clarky003 said:
my point about Copernicus.. is more than valid, it shows the bare essence of people not being able to see beyond belief (which was influenced by higher authority), obviously it did change, but people of the time where inclined to believe the world was flat because of the 'Scientific' bickering's of the time.

Copernicus was actually the one to put forth the idea that the Earth revolved around the sun, not that the earth was round.

Additionally, it was religion which suppressed this knowledge, not science. Other scientists such as Bruno and Galileo accepted his theories.

clarky003 said:
Im more intrested in the disclosure project's conference on the 25th of this month :) and using Perendev's principles to concieve and create a rotor/generator combined for home usage

I would also be interested in this, if they actually present something solid, that is.
 
Neutrino said:
Copernicus was actually the one to put forth the idea that the Earth revolved around the sun, not that the earth was round.

Additionally, it was religion which suppressed this knowledge, not science. Other scientists such as Bruno and Galileo accepted his theories.
Bingo.
 
Neutrino said:
Well, it certainlly seemed as if you were. Plus your original quotes that started this thread are about him.



Copernicus was actually the one to put forth the idea that the Earth revolved around the sun, not that the earth was round.

Additionally, it was religion which suppressed this knowledge, not science.



I would also be interested in this, if they actually present something solid, that is.

I was more intrested in Bearden's finding's rather than what he wanted to use them for, but no I dont condone Bearden for what he claims he's able to do. My post was for pure scientific intrest.

Science has been supressed by religion, and vice versa over the year's.

I hope it's solid too, I would like to see them host a visual showing of one of their device's, they also include eyewitness account's from previous memeber's of military, and government circle's , coming forward in increasing hundred's .
 
clarky003 said:
I was more intrested in Bearden's finding's rather than what he wanted to use them for, but no I dont condone Bearden for what he claims he's able to do. My post was for pure scientific intrest.

Yes, and I'm saying the man has no credibility on anything, including his "scientific" findings.

clarky003 said:
Science has been supressed by religion, and vice versa over the year's.

Vice versa? Science has supressed religion? When? I'm curious.

clarky003 said:
I hope it's solid too, I would like to see them host a visual showing of one of their device's, they also include eyewitness account's from previous memeber's of military, and government circle's , coming forward in increasing hundred's .

Well, I'll be sure to keep an eye on it. Thanks for letting me know about it. :)
 
Vice versa? Science has supressed religion? When? I'm curious.

http://www.focol.org/fvuuf/Science&Religion_Conflict.html

loads of sources on the net, it's a two way thing, suppression through criticism to justify the scientific purpose ,to discredit to sway the population.

For scientific imperialists, the scientific method is the only reliable path to knowledge. They reduce religion to an illusion people use to explain things they do not yet understand. At his worst, Carl Sagan was an example of such thinking. Another example is Edward O. Wilson, who reduces all human behavior to genetics and biology and dismisses religion as nothing more than a now archaic survival mechanism.[13]

It is imperialists on both ends of the science and religion conundrum who unfortunately fuel the conflict between them. But there are other angles on the relationship between science and religion--angles that are far richer and more intriguing than the simplistic warfare model. But, alas, these other angles will need to wait for another week.

but it's a bit off topic.

lets get some constructive info on Scalar electromagnetic's in here :bounce: .
 
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