is college the right choice for me?

[zleppelin]

Some of you guys are around my age so some of you probably know more about this topic than I do.

I am a straight A student but I don't see myself wearing a monkey suit and acting all "professional" when I grow up. I also got a fairly decent score on the SATs that wouldn't disqualify me from most prestigious schools.

Does that alone mean I should go to college? I personally couldn't care less, but if I don't go to college my family will think I am stupid. If I go, it would be because obviously I have the mental capacity do it almost effortlessly. Also, what if I go to college and can't find a job afterwards? I've heard all the IT jobs are going to India anyway.

Has anyone here been through a similar dilemma?

 

[repiV]

Some of you guys are around my age so some of you probably know more about this topic than I do.

I am a straight A student but I don't see myself wearing a monkey suit and acting all "professional" when I grow up. I also got a fairly decent score on the SATs that wouldn't disqualify me from most prestigious schools.

Does that alone mean I should go to college? I personally couldn't care less, but if I don't go to college my family will think I am stupid. If I go, it would be because obviously I have the mental capacity do it almost effortlessly. Also, what if I go to college and can't find a job afterwards? I've heard all the IT jobs are going to India anyway.

Has anyone here been through a similar dilemma?

I've been in exactly the same situation.
Unfortunately, due to my medical condition I have little choice BUT to wear that suit and act all professional. I still didn't go, though. It does grow on you, btw.
Over here, at least, finding a first job is always hard whether you have a degree or not. I've been doing various temp jobs for the past year and have an offer in the pipeline from the civil service providing I pass some exams (came about through temping for the government...if you temp, you'll find that you may well find yourself getting a permanent job that way), plus I'm working on becoming a recruitment consultant.
When you enter the job market without a degree, just try and keep things in perspective. You will have to do some shitty, uninteresting jobs to start with. But with every job you do, your opportunities increase.
I mean, what do you want to do? That should be a big factor in whether or not you go to uni.
But I can tell you that, even though it's been frustrating and difficult at times and I've been unemployed for months at a time, I don't regret my decision not to go.

 

[JNightshade]

Personally, I would never be able to work in a box all day long. But I'm going anyway. The beauty of college is that it opens up way more opportunities for you than you'd otherwise have.

 

[15357]

For me, not going to one of the better Universities in this o****ry means that I will utterly fail in my life. Its like the only goal that education has, getting into a good University.

Right now, I've got my sights on either the Army Academy, or the Seoul National University, but argh. So damn hard.

Get into a college, no matter what, and figure out what happens from there. :/

 

[repiV]

Personally, I would never be able to work in a box all day long. But I'm going anyway. The beauty of college is that it opens up way more opportunities for you than you'd otherwise have.

The joke is that people spend more years in education than ever before but come out with less actual ability than they used to.
I got an email a couple of weeks ago, subject line was the following (exactly as written): "ARe you interested in a role in headhunting?"
There was no body text in the email at all. I just ignored it as junk mail. About a week later I got a call following up the email.
If a senior executive in sales can't even write an email and thus present his company and sell his opportunities even semi-competently, what hope is there?
I've actually had a couple of interviewers commend me on not going to university when I explained why I made my decision.
Sure, it opens up opportunities, but not nearly as many as being capable and confident in yourself and your decisions does.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Who says that if you go to college your bound to work in a cubical and act professional? There are plenty of jobs that you can get degrees for that don't require you to do that. Find something you want to do and go for it.

 

[ComradeBadger]

University has been the best experience of my life so far.

If you can, do it.

 

[repiV]

University has been the best experience of my life so far.

If you can, do it.

I don't think I could stand having to spend almost my entire waking life with...students... :hmph:

 

[Majestic XII]

For me, not going to one of the better Universities in this o****ry means that I will utterly fail in my life. Its like the only goal that education has, getting into a good University.

Right now, I've got my sights on either the Army Academy, or the Seoul National University, but argh. So damn hard.

Get into a college, no matter what, and figure out what happens from there. :/

That's, imo, kinda wrong.

You shouldn't go to University "just because". It should serve a purpose, and that purpose is to get hammered and learn alittle about... stuff. If you got the skills you need for the jobs you like, why bother with Uni? It will basically just give you a paper telling you that you know stuff that you already knew.

It might be good for the company you're trying to get a job at but a good employer knows when he/she sees skill.

This doesn't apply to all jobs though, I know things that are easier and better to show off in a portfolio or past experience rather than a piece of paper.

However, I won't deny that it will help you get better pay when you have the job you like.

Also, Uni is the best thing in my life at the moment It's something you will remember for the rest of your life!

 

[kupocake]

The problem with University education now is that every man and their dog goes to pick up a waste of time degree in Trashcan Ergonomics, Badminton History, and - god forbid - Sociology. Really devalues the system. Still, if you're smart and you don't go, you are still severely handicapped enough from earning money in the future to make it worthwhile to take the plunge. It's mostly about the life anyway. University is an extortionate cess-pit in the UK. They farm students in, fleece them off their cash and give them 8 hours of contact time a week. But it's still a necessary advantage.

 

[tehsolace]

The sad truth to life is that in the present day, if you don't go to college you won't be able to get a decent job unless you are the one select few who 'hit it big' in some way and end up saying "yea and i never went to college". Usually those are music artists or something.

You should definately go to the best University you can get yourself into and focus on a field of study that interests you and that you would want to pursue. You can't expect to bum your way through life and not have ambitions.

And nobody ever said going to college means you are going to wear a suit. I'm studying to be a computer programmer, and I currently have a job as a web programmer and I go to work in literally whatever i want to. I even went in a swimsuit once so that I could tan out on their patio

 

[repiV]

The sad truth to life is that in the present day, if you don't go to college you won't be able to get a decent job unless you are the one select few who 'hit it big' in some way and end up saying "yea and i never went to college". Usually those are music artists or something.

I'm sorry, that's a myth. I ghost-write (for want of a better word) letters to MPs, lobby groups and members of the public from the Secretary of Health amongst other senior ministers. One of my letters was signed by Tony Blair.
It's not what I want to do, but it's a pretty good job as far as I'm concerned.
Almost all job requirements are negotiable, if you're good at selling yourself.

There are very few things for which you actually require a degree.

 

[ComradeBadger]

I'm sorry, that's a myth. I ghost-write (for want of a better word) letters to MPs, lobby groups and members of the public from the Secretary of Health amongst other senior ministers. One of my letters was signed by Tony Blair.
It's not what I want to do, but it's a pretty good job as far as I'm concerned.
Almost all job requirements are negotiable, if you're good at selling yourself.

There are very few things for which you actually require a degree.

I'm sorry, but that's not an amazing job. University education can take you a lot further than that.

The problem with University education now is that every man and their dog goes to pick up a waste of time degree in Trashcan Ergonomics, Badminton History, and - god forbid - Sociology. Really devalues the system. Still, if you're smart and you don't go, you are still severely handicapped enough from earning money in the future to make it worthwhile to take the plunge. It's mostly about the life anyway. University is an extortionate cess-pit in the UK. They farm students in, fleece them off their cash and give them 8 hours of contact time a week. But it's still a necessary advantage.

Doesn't devalue a good acedemic degree from a good university though.

 

[repiV]

I'm sorry, but that's not an amazing job. University education can take you a lot further than that.

I never said it was an amazing job. But it's certainly a decent job. And I get paid more than the average recent graduate.
If you think you're going to walk into a job better than that when you graduate, you are sadly mistaken.
It's a total myth that you will graduate from university and suddenly land in an amazing job. Likewise that you will never get an amazing job without going to university.
You don't need a degree to be a fighter pilot (in fact, they prefer you apply at 18) and that's a pretty amazing job. You don't need a degree to a be a recruitment consultant (where I hope to be in a couple of months...earning more money than 90% of graduates within a year), a stockbroker, or, well, pretty much anything.

 

[ComradeBadger]

You may earn more than me in the short-term, but I'll earn FAR more in the long-term

You don't suddenly land an amazing job, of course, you have to work for it.

I plan to work for a couple of years to learn more about my chosen field, then get a loan from a bank plunge right into owning a bar/club

 

[repiV]

You may earn more than me in the short-term, but I'll earn FAR more in the long-term

You don't suddenly land an amazing job, of course, you have to work for it.

I plan to work for a couple of years to learn more about my chosen field, then get a loan from a bank plunge right into owning a bar/club

What makes you so confident you'll earn far more than me in the long-term?
Recruitment has unlimited earning potential. If I'm good at it, I'll be on six figures within a couple of years. And why do you need a degree to get a loan to set up a business? What makes you so sure that your business will be successful?
The most successful entrepreneurs are the ones with few qualifications. Most businesses fail in their first year.
I could set up my own recruitment business too, and there's a hell of a lot more money in recruitment than in owning a club.

 

[ComradeBadger]

In general, comparing university grads to people who didn't go to university.

Why did I need a degree? Well for starters I'm interested in History, and it's good for buisness-skills as well (very overrepresented in the buisness sector are History degrees)

Well, I have confidence in myself and my ideas, and intend to do well.
I want to own a bar/club not because of the money, but because I think it'd be fun to do.

 

[repiV]

In general, comparing university grads to people who didn't go to university.

Correlation does not imply causation.

Why did I need a degree? Well for starters I'm interested in History, and it's good for buisness-skills as well (very overrepresented in the buisness sector are History degrees)

Well, I have confidence in myself and my ideas, and intend to do well.
I want to own a bar/club not because of the money, but because I think it'd be fun to do.

Your ability to run a bar/club is irrelevant to your university education.
Time and time again, it has been shown that the most important characteristic in the success of an entrepreneur is their personality. Not their experience, not their education, simply their personality type and determination.
Since this discussion is about how useful university is, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. You're going to attempt to do something that someone without a degree could do also with an equal (or perhaps greater) chance of success, and you're also sure you'll make "FAR" more money than me in the long-term.
If that's not to do with your degree, is that just because you think you're better than me then?

 

[tehsolace]

Your ability to run a bar/club is irrelevant to your university education.

I beg to differ. Running a business requires alot of education. Entrepreneurship requires huge investments (that most can't afford in the first place) and real know-how. I would never suggest to someone "Oh yea don't go to college... just start your own business!"

I agree there are many jobs that value experience over education, but for the above average paying jobs you will need BOTH experience and education.

 

[KagePrototype]

I agree there are many jobs that value experience over education, but for the above average paying jobs you will need BOTH experience and education.

Neither of which always require University.

 

[theotherguy]

Go to college. Job offerings are so slim and college applications so common now, you can't afford not to.

I'm not saying you have to be a buisnessman or a millionare, but to get a good job you will have to have a college degree....unless you are extremely successful without one and start your own buisness or something.

 

[repiV]

I beg to differ. Running a business requires alot of education. Entrepreneurship requires huge investments (that most can't afford in the first place) and real know-how. I would never suggest to someone "Oh yea don't go to college... just start your own business!"

So how on earth does going to university teach you that know-how? Doing well in business is about understanding the real world, capitalising on opportunities, intelligent and wise decisions and taking risks, never giving up. University is about as detached from the real world as you can get, and as a university education is a kind of security blanket, insurance, it does not sit well with the entrepreneurial personality. Going to university also bears no similarity whatsoever to running a business!
How about working in the field that you intend to set a business up in for a few years? Yeah, that sounds much more sensible...

I agree there are many jobs that value experience over education, but for the above average paying jobs you will need BOTH experience and education.

I've applied for jobs that require a degree on three occassions, and been interviewed for all of them. I didn't get the jobs, but that had nothing to do with my education.
It's really very simple. Phone up...one of my conversations went something like this: "Hi there, I'm just calling because I'm interested in the trainee recruitment consultant vacancy you are currently advertising...yes, I've done telesales for a couple of months, which I felt was a good learning experience and a good background for launching a recruitment career...I've done outbound customer service for a couple of months also, which is valuable because...I also spent some time working in procurement, which involves a lot of negotiation and...and now I'm looking to get into recruitment...now I understand that you're looking for a graduate, may I ask why that is?"
"Well, we really want someone who is intelligent and an achiever for this role."
"Well, I myself am not a graduate, but after having spoken to me for the last few minutes, would you not agree that I possess these characteristics?"
"I guess I would."
"Then would it be possible to see you for interview next week?"

Bam. When a company says they want a graduate I take no notice whatsoever. They want the skills they know a graduate must have, and that's what is important.

 

[repiV]

Go to college. Job offerings are so slim and college applications so common now, you can't afford not to.

I'm not saying you have to be a buisnessman or a millionare, but to get a good job you will have to have a college degree....unless you are extremely successful without one and start your own buisness or something.

No you DON'T have to have a degree to get a good job...

 

[Majestic XII]

Worth to mention is that if you worked for a while, your degree will be rendered useless because they rank working experience high than a degree. Then they can actually tell if you can do a good job or not.

(I'm comparing everything I know to the Swedish market and I have no idea how it works in the UK but its basically the same.)

 

[repiV]

Worth to mention is that if you worked for a while, your degree will be rendered useless because they rank working experience high than a degree. Then they can actually tell if you can do a good job or not.

(I'm comparing everything I know to the Swedish market and I have no idea how it works in the UK but its basically the same.)

Exactly. A new graduate will usually have an easier time getting a job than a new school leaver, but that's because neither of them have anything to offer besides their academic credentials.
I've been working for a year now, which gives me references and a track record as well as work experience, and I have a huge advantage in the job market over new graduates - who are older than I am.
It's all about finding the company's requirements and proving that you can meet them better than anyone else, offer something that noone else can. A degree is not a unique selling point anymore, just another thing on a checklist. I can actually turn the fact that I DON'T have a degree into a unique selling point, point out that it demonstrates my ambition, my work ethic and my risk-taking, unconventional personality and it usually works like a charm.

 

[Majestic XII]

Exactly. A new graduate will usually have an easier time getting a job than a new school leaver, but that's because neither of them have anything to offer besides their academic credentials.
I've been working for a year now, which gives me references and a track record as well as work experience, and I have a huge advantage in the job market over new graduates - who are older than I am.
It's all about finding the company's requirements and proving that you can meet them better than anyone else, offer something that noone else can. A degree is not a unique selling point anymore, just another thing on a checklist. I can actually turn the fact that I DON'T have a degree into a unique selling point, point out that it demonstrates my ambition, my work ethic and my risk-taking, unconventional personality and it usually works like a charm.

Agreed.

The reason why I'm in Uni is to get experience and get some projects done as well as to do my own school funded research projects. This all ranks very high on the list of interest. I study game development, and most of the 2:nd and 3:rd year students are already working. Most of them are working at companies the students started thanks to the Science Park/Incubator just outside school. They help students invest and start new companies which is great. We are also the main recruitment channel for all the big companies in northern Europe. I use Uni as a way of getting working experience instead of working. It's a rather unique way or getting experience and not many profession can do it like this.

I had some other jobs earlier that didn't care about any education. They just wanted to know if I knew what I was doing. A degree just shows that you been through the classes, but it doesn't tell how good you are at things.

 

[kupocake]

Exactly. A new graduate will usually have an easier time getting a job than a new school leaver, but that's because neither of them have anything to offer besides their academic credentials.
I've been working for a year now, which gives me references and a track record as well as work experience, and I have a huge advantage in the job market over new graduates - who are older than I am.

Perhaps, but later in life if you find yourself out of work somehow, three years extra experience isn't going to stand up quite as strongly as an alternative applicant with a degree. And right here and now, there are people three years older than you who have exactly the same ammount of experience, and a tick in their "been to university" box that you don't have.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Correlation does not imply causation.

It's been shown time and time again that university graduates earn more. Not EVERY SINGLE grad will, and likewise, there are exceptions the other way.

Your ability to run a bar/club is irrelevant to your university education.

The skills I've gained from my university education do increase my ability to manage - therefore, not irrelevant.

Time and time again, it has been shown that the most important characteristic in the success of an entrepreneur is their personality. Not their experience, not their education, simply their personality type and determination.

However experience and education can help someone suceed, it's far from worthless.

Since this discussion is about how useful university is, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. You're going to attempt to do something that someone without a degree could do also with an equal (or perhaps greater) chance of success, and you're also sure you'll make "FAR" more money than me in the long-term.
If that's not to do with your degree, is that just because you think you're better than me then?

I'm making the point that the skills I get from my degree will help me in my chosen career path - oh and please tell me how my degree has decreased my chance of sucess haha
I'm not arguing that you need a degree to get a job - It just helps, a lot.


Oh, and just so you know, I do think I'm better than you.. mainly because I'm not a blinkered racist twat with a severely distorted view of reality, culture and society.

 

[tehsolace]

So how on earth does going to university teach you that know-how? Doing well in business is about understanding the real world, capitalising on opportunities, intelligent and wise decisions and taking risks, never giving up. University is about as detached from the real world as you can get, and as a university education is a kind of security blanket, insurance, it does not sit well with the entrepreneurial personality. Going to university also bears no similarity whatsoever to running a business!
How about working in the field that you intend to set a business up in for a few years? Yeah, that sounds much more sensible...



I've applied for jobs that require a degree on three occassions, and been interviewed for all of them. I didn't get the jobs, but that had nothing to do with my education.
It's really very simple. Phone up...one of my conversations went something like this: "Hi there, I'm just calling because I'm interested in the trainee recruitment consultant vacancy you are currently advertising...yes, I've done telesales for a couple of months, which I felt was a good learning experience and a good background for launching a recruitment career...I've done outbound customer service for a couple of months also, which is valuable because...I also spent some time working in procurement, which involves a lot of negotiation and...and now I'm looking to get into recruitment...now I understand that you're looking for a graduate, may I ask why that is?"
"Well, we really want someone who is intelligent and an achiever for this role."
"Well, I myself am not a graduate, but after having spoken to me for the last few minutes, would you not agree that I possess these characteristics?"
"I guess I would."
"Then would it be possible to see you for interview next week?"

Bam. When a company says they want a graduate I take no notice whatsoever. They want the skills they know a graduate must have, and that's what is important.

You obviously haven't been in the shoes of the company you are interviewing with. If its for a job that would either require or prefer a college degree, then that is exactly how they filter things out in the first place.

On plenty of occations at my work, I have been the one sorting through applications for hire. First, I judge their experience level. If they don't have experience, I immediately look at their education level. If they don't have either, I dump it.

For someone with no experience in the field, education is the only thing they have left to go by.

 

[repiV]

Agreed.

The reason why I'm in Uni is to get experience and get some projects done as well as to do my own school funded research projects. This all ranks very high on the list of interest. I study game development, and most of the 2:nd and 3:rd year students are already working. Most of them are working at companies the students started thanks to the Science Park/Incubator just outside school. They help students invest and start new companies which is great. We are also the main recruitment channel for all the big companies in northern Europe. I use Uni as a way of getting working experience instead of working. It's a rather unique way or getting experience and not many profession can do it like this.

I had some other jobs earlier that didn't care about any education. They just wanted to know if I knew what I was doing. A degree just shows that you been through the classes, but it doesn't tell how good you are at things.

That's pretty cool.
I think we as a society have lost a lot of our creativity, inventiveness, guts and entrepreneurial spirit.
As the President of Liberia says in Lord of War, "personally, I blame MTV".
People just assume that the only way to get a good job is to go to the best school and the best university and blah blah blah blah blah. It's all a load of complete bollocks. I can negate the advantage of three years spent at university and also demonstrate my guts, flair and sales ability that my graduate competitors have not done by using a few select words on the phone.

Perhaps, but later in life if you find yourself out of work somehow, three years extra experience isn't going to stand up quite as strongly as an alternative applicant with a degree. And right here and now, there are people three years older than you who have exactly the same ammount of experience, and a tick in their "been to university" box that you don't have.

Later in life, it really wouldn't matter one way or another. All that would matter is my track record in my career, which would be extensive by that period. You'd have to be a very, very poor recruiter to select a 30-something year old for a non-scientific/engineering etc. position based on a degree they got over a decade ago. In fact, they should be fired.

 

[Majestic XII]

Oh, and just so you know, I do think I'm better than you.. mainly because I'm not a blinkered racist twat with a severely distorted view of reality, culture and society.

I didn't know mods could say stuff like that to other members

 

[repiV]

It's been shown time and time again that university graduates earn more. Not EVERY SINGLE grad will, and likewise, there are exceptions the other way.

So what? That's because most people capable of going to university do so. It's not because going to university will earn you more money.

The skills I've gained from my university education do increase my ability to manage - therefore, not irrelevant.

Not as much as you would like to think.

However experience and education can help someone suceed, it's far from worthless.

Oh look, you're backtracking. A moment ago you just couldn't get a decent job without a degree.

I'm making the point that the skills I get from my degree will help me in my chosen career path - oh and please tell me how my degree has decreased my chance of sucess haha
I'm not arguing that you need a degree to get a job - It just helps, a lot.

It hasn't decreased your chance of success, however like I said, the best entrepreneurs are the ones with the fewest qualifications.
It helps less than you would believe.

Oh, and just so you know, I do think I'm better than you.. mainly because I'm not a blinkered racist twat with a severely distorted view of reality, culture and society.

In other words, you're blissfully ignorant and cling on to your faux-liberal "the Muslims are being oppressed" bullshit that's been ingrained into you since you started watching TV, and smugly think that makes you morally superior.
You don't have a clue, and you don't really understand the world.

 

[repiV]

You obviously haven't been in the shoes of the company you are interviewing with. If its for a job that would either require or prefer a college degree, then that is exactly how they filter things out in the first place.

On plenty of occations at my work, I have been the one sorting through applications for hire. First, I judge their experience level. If they don't have experience, I immediately look at their education level. If they don't have either, I dump it.

For someone with no experience in the field, education is the only thing they have left to go by.

So you sort through applications, big deal.
I don't even send one in. I phone up and get an interview there and then. Which completely negates your archaic hiring process.

 

[ComradeBadger]

going to university do so. It's not because going to university will earn you more money.

What you learn from university in your chosen field increases your value to a company - hence they are more likely to earn more.

Oh look, you're backtracking. A moment ago you just couldn't get a decent job without a degree.

Oh look, I never said you couldn't get a decent job without a degree.

It hasn't decreased your chance of success, however like I said, the best entrepreneurs are the ones with the fewest qualifications.
It helps less than you would believe.

Often yes, for example Richard Branson - Virgin. I'm not disagreeing with that.

 

[tehsolace]

So you sort through applications, big deal.
I don't even send one in. I phone up and get an interview there and then. Which completely negates your archaic hiring process.

I've sorted though applications. I'm the senior programmer of my company. We don't do interviews without resumes. Most companies will want to see your resume before they even talk to you. Thats how the real world is, buddy.

No matter how much you spill this "self-made with confidence" bull, you can't convince me that you can talk your way into a high paying job. All I believe is that you can talk your way into an interview for some simple job... and even then you're going to have alot of dancing around bushes when they start asking you about your education and experience levels in the field.

You can't talk your way into a high paying job... you've got to be kidding yourself if you think you're going to do that.

 

[repiV]

What you learn from university in your chosen field increases your value to a company - hence they are more likely to earn more.

Not as much as the equivalent work experience would.

Oh look, I never said you couldn't get a decent job without a degree.

I'm pretty sure you did.

Often yes, for example Richard Branson - Virgin. I'm not disagreeing with that.

 

[repiV]

I've sorted though applications. I'm the senior programmer of my company. We don't do interviews without resumes. Most companies will want to see your resume before they even talk to you. Thats how the real world is, buddy.

Don't insult my intelligence by telling me about the real world. Yes, they see it, but not before I've had a conversation with the manager on the phone and stuck in their mind. I never send in a CV without talking to the person who is going to read it first, and I try to get an interview then and there and agree to send in my CV later. Works about a quarter of the time.

No matter how much you spill this "self-made with confidence" bull, you can't convince me that you can talk your way into a high paying job. All I believe is that you can talk your way into an interview for some simple job... and even then you're going to have alot of dancing around bushes when they start asking you about your education and experience levels in the field.

You can't talk your way into a high paying job... you've got to be kidding yourself if you think you're going to do that.

The sole purpose of a CV/resume is to get you an interview, where you talk yourself into the job. It doesn't matter WHAT job it is, the entire point of an interview is to talk yourself into a job.
You think I dance around bushes when they ask about stuff? No, I'm frank about it and I turn it into a positive point.
I've interviewed at several recruitment companies, and frankly the reason I haven't got a job in recruitment so far is because I'm not your stereotypical brash, loud, over-the-top salesperson that they expect and they pick up on that. They doubt my ability to do the job because I don't love the sound of my own voice. The image stereotype runs deep in sales. My unstable work history is also a factor.
Recruiting pays very well indeed, and it's certainly not "some simple job". It is heavily sales-focused, however, and doing something relevant like phoning up and selling yourself makes you stand out. Having a degree does not.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Not as much as the equivalent work experience would.

A degree is another advantage in the job market, simple as, I can't deny the value of experience, much like you can't deny a degree helps.
A good degree which you can apply to your work is HUGELY valuable.

I'm pretty sure you did.

I've said it HELPS - not that you couldn't get a decent job without one.

 

[repiV]

A degree is another advantage in the job market, simple as, I can't deny the value of experience, much like you can't deny a degree helps.

Well, I was wondering how anyone could deny Islam is causing a problem in our society, but you just went and did it.
Of course it helps, but it doesn't help enough to be worth THREE YEARS of my life and all that money. And I can also turn not having a degree into a plus point.

A good degree which you can apply to your work is HUGELY valuable.

Depends on the work.

I've said it HELPS - not that you couldn't get a decent job without one.

I see. Must have been someone else that said that then. Still, you're rather full of yourself if you're entirely certain that you're going to make FAR more money than me, when you haven't even finished university yet.

 

[Que-Ever]

No, don't waste your parents money.