Nintendo Surprises Keep Coming

[99.vikram]

Have to disagree, Riomhaire. I think the new controller will result in a breed of games designed exclusively for the revolution. It may not play like the usual fare, but there are ways around the fewer buttons.

Eg-
In a fighting game, a combo could be performed by moving the controller in a certain sequence.

In a shooter, tilting the controller could switch to ironsight mode. Tilt it to the side to lean in that direction.

I believe that the new controller is going to evolve gaming in some way. How it evolves remains to be seen.

 

[Raziaar]

Buy a what? A what? I can't HEAR you...

Oh yes, that's right... a nintendo revolution. I can understand that.

 

[Asuka]

Man at the start i was only getting a 360 and PS3 but now ill be getting a Wii also. This year got me back into consoles after leaving them back with PS1.

 

[Dekstar]

That means a lot of uncomfortable fatigue in your wrists if you plan on playing all night (try holding your TV remote in front of you, keeping it level, for three hours). And that isn't a problem for the Rev target audience. It's not designed for people who play hours a day. It's designed for people who don't generally like to play games and get bored with them quickly. It's for the Freecell crowd.

You definately don't have to be standing up to play. And Does that guy not own an armchair? I agree with some points, but I think he's just nit-picking.

 

[VirusType2]

The point is that Nintendo more then Sony and MS are making this a machine for non gamers, half of the controller is dammed remote.

I don't think so. Nintendo is making the machine for more casual gamers AND core gamers. In fact, the Wii is all about games, where-as the PS3 and Xbox 360 are like media centers.


Counting how many buttons on it don't really mean much. For one, you only embedded an image showing half the controller (an older version at that) Secondly, it's got the motion control built into BOTH parts of the controller. Two sets of motion sensing plus you can point the thing at the screen - Hell, it can even be used to respond to voice command with the built in microphone.

Counting how many buttons on it is irrelevant unless you take everything into consideration. Even the built-in D-pad (digital game pad) can be used as 4 or even 8 buttons by pressing diagonally.

Finally, count how many games only use 1 or 2 or maybe 3 buttons. A PC's mouse almost exclusively uses one mouse button, regardless of how many buttons your mouse actually has. Then, using the keyboard for movement and weapon selection control in games like FPS's is a terrible way to control when compared with an analog stick the Wii numb-chuck has.

Regardless of how small the NES or SNES controller was (about the size of the Wiimote), I never had any problems with them and I have big hands. The Dreamcast and especially the PS2 controller are uncomfortable to me and they are bigger controllers, so that means nothing.



What I hope to see is that the Nintendo Wii has another Punch-Out game. That was my favorite game on the NES, and was pretty cool on the SNES. It's a 3rd person boxing game (The SNES version could also be played in first person view iirc.) I think it would be cool to slice and dice or swing your fists to fight... however, I don't think they give enough slack between the two controls, and they haven't announced work on Punch-out either. I don't think they made Punch-Out for the N64 or Gamecube either, but they should make it for Wii. If they did, I would definitely buy the system.


Not for games?

They already have Metroid, Zelda and Mario Galaxy as launch titles. Thats 3 games that are each likely to score a 9.5-10. Effectively 3 system sellers at launch. How can you say it's not meant to appeal to core gamers? Because they have a few party games planned? Party games are a good way to get your friends to play the game with you, instead of always playing with yourself. :cheers:



About the video game industry crashing:

I said it last year, that article is a pointlesswasteoftime - the name of the web address is very fitting. I could write a huge 3 page article on how Sports are going to face an industry crash since now that we all have TV's, there is no point in paying to go to the game. The TV camera even shows what is going on better than actually being there. The sports 'industry' is not going to crash, just like the video game industry is not going to crash. No matter how expensive and specific something is, many people are willing to pay any cost. Front row seats, box seats, ring-side seats, stadium seats, whatever the price. Similarly with video game consoles. Some people will buy them at any cost. I mean, yes they have gotten more expensive, but compare them! The old consoles like the SEGA Genesis were built using parts from radio-shack and stuff. They just don't compare.

The next-gen consoles are a hell of a lot more powerful. I'd just take a guess and say 100 million times more powerful, and they play people over the internet around the world, you can talk to anyone in the world for free over this connection, you can play music, Movies, etc..

Not going to happen. Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony are at, or near the very top of the highest quality entertainment, business, and electronics companies in the world, listed in the respective order. They know what they are doing. It would take something tremendous to kill the video game industry. Before anyone says, "it happened before" I will say, "not to me, I didn't even notice" I was playing and creating games on my computer. I started to learn to program video games when I was 9. Video games were very much alive on computers. The consoles industry crashed before, but they weren't very good, and much of the software was terrible. They left so much to be desired.

Now, technology permits everything that was desired and more. If I could have looked into the future and saw what video games were going to be like, I would have never imagined. I would have died and gone to heaven. Seriously, they are incredible now. I would have seriously wanted to fast forward my boring life to be able to play these games.

Nintendo resurrected the video game industry, and Nintendo is arguably having a tough time in the console market these days. That speaks for the competition more than against Nintendo. The consoles these days and the software available are incredible.


So, as long as people love video games, they can never go away. While I wouldn't want to give any of these up, I find them a hell of a lot more entertaining than Television, movies, and music, which are HUGE industries. Since video games are the newest form of entertainment out of all these, they are playing catch up, and I think they are going to be just as big some day soon.

 

[Gray Fox]

Have to say I disagree, Virus_type. Nintendo made it quite clear they are targetting non_gamers with this. And sure it does appeal to the core gamer, and also to hard-core gamers(since they are the group who are constantly looking for something new, altough that does depend on how diverse Wii library gets and weather or not the controller is just refreshing or a real improvement). But in the end Nintendo is going to be promarly concerned with non_gamers, sure they won't dissapoint their fans, but they can't live of them either.

 

[VirusType2]

Have to say I disagree, Virus_type. Nintendo made it quite clear they are targetting non_gamers with this. And sure it does appeal to the core gamer, and also to hard-core gamers(since they are the group who are constantly looking for something new, altough that does depend on how diverse Wii library gets and weather or not the controller is just refreshing or a real improvement). But in the end Nintendo is going to be promarly concerned with non_gamers, sure they won't dissapoint their fans, but they can't live of them either.

You compare the Nintendo to Sony and Microsoft, meaning that Sony and Microsoft have built a system with only games in mind. Then why do both of these systems offer tons of connections with devices such as computers, and cameras, and they both play music CD's and movie DVD's? Listening to music, watching movies, streaming media, uploading images, etc. - these things are not games. The Wii does none of that - short of a possible download of music.

The Wii just plays games. So there is a rumor that you can use the control to talk to other gamers over the internet. Beyond that, all it does is play games. It's got at least 3 killer apps at launch!

They NEVER said they were primarily concerned with non_gamers bro. You have seriously mis-interpreted everything.

Again, ALL it does is PLAY GAMES. Why would a Non-gamer buy the system? There would be no reason!

What Nintendo DID say, in their press conference, is that they were trying to get people that don't have much time to play games, people that USED to play games but don't anymore, and people like your Parents, and casual or Non-gaming friends to want one too. They said - in their press conference, that their main concern will always be the core gamer, because that is their main customer.

So basically, they are trying to get EVERYONE to play games. You just said and I quote you that

But in the end Nintendo is going to be promarly concerned with non_gamers

(I assume promarly = primarily.)

That is completely false.

What they want to do is create more gamers. Turn non-gamers into gamers. More people to buy their games = more success.

BTW there is a spell checker built into this forum. Its right above the smiley's. Just download it and click that ABC thing to automatically fix any spelling errors.

 

[Kangy]

Meh, not too bothered about this. I'd actually rather have a headset since it's comfier and sort of gets me in the mood. A remote I get to talk at isn't what I want. Nice idea though.

 

[Gray Fox]

Fine it's more of a gamemachine, but it's still a gamemachine which is primarly focused at non-gamers, certainly more then ps3 and x-box 360. Hence why part of the controller looks like a remote control.

Thats what I said. Besides sony's BR may still be very usefull for games, if the nextgen games really need that much space, hence making it BR is logical, and if it can play movies thats a bonus. With the x-box 360 all the extra stuff it does are thing that just maximise it's value and just can use the hardware meant for the machine in a different way.(edit: just use the hardware meant for gaming in a different way)
Attacking them for that, like many people here do makes little sense.

Why the Wii won't be able to play dvd's is beyond me, it takes no more then a little adjustment of the software, and is a shame, especially if you are targeting non-gamers.

And I honestly cannot find the spellchecker, you'll have to post a screenie with the spelchecker encircled.

 

[Venmoch]

Why the Wii won't be able to play dvd's is beyond me, it takes no more then a little adjustment of the software, and is a shame, especially if you are targeting non-gamers.

It means they don't have to pay licensing for DVD playback. And its why the XBox had an optional remote.

 

[Gray Fox]

It means they don't have to pay licensing for DVD playback. And its why the XBox had an optional remote.

Ok thats a good reason. So sony and x-box have optional remotes and when you buy them you in essance pay for the licensing fees, why can't the big N do that too.

 

[jimbo118]

Nintendo is ****in' winning atm, hell it should be WINTENDO!!!

 

[Venmoch]

Ok thats a good reason. So sony and x-box have optional remotes and when you buy them you in essance pay for the licensing fees, why can't the big N do that too.

Perhaps thats their plan

 

[VirusType2]

And I honestly cannot find the spellchecker, you'll have to post a screenie with the spelchecker encircled.[/SIZE][/FONT]

Sure.

Click here:
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1898346#post1898346

 

[Javert]

The spellchecker requires a software download (at least for this comp at work). :/

 

[Reginald]

I don't have a spellchecker on mine. But considering my spelling is normally pretty good I don't really need one. *blows own trumpet*


Oh... the Wii. Well, whilst VOIP isn't top of my list, this would certainly draw a lot of attention away from XBL. But I can't see them not putting a microphone into the system after the excellent use of it in Nintendogs on DS. Aslong as the microphone leans more towards DS quality and not Mario Party 6/7 and Odama quality.

 

[SimonomiS]

DVD Players are pretty common by now, including DVD drives in computers we have 5 DVD players in our house. Really don't see the point in having another one "just because".

 

[VictimOfScience]

I was under the impression that the Wii did play DVDs after Ninty learned from last round and the GCs lack of playback...

Also, it has been said many times before on the net that if you wear a Nintendo t-shirt in public, then you are not their target audience for this generation. Sure, they will be making plenty of games for the hardcore gamer, but like many have already said, this one is about getting more than just your average gamer involved--its about kids, adults, elderly, men, women, everybody. Great idea imho--hope it works out for them (like they really care--they don't lose money on consoles and make a ton with handhelds--pure $$$!).

 

[Gray Fox]

Am I the only one that finds this hilarious? To claim that people must be restricted to a certain input device in order to be considered "gamers" is one of the most foolish ideas I have ever had the fortune (or misfortune; I'm not sure) of hearing.

yes you are. since i am not claiming that. a remote is something much more familiar to non-gamers then gamers. Hence why the look, and it's a clear indication that they are focusing on a non-gamer audiance.

 

[VictimOfScience]

yes you are. since i am not claiming that. a remote is something much more familiar to non-gamers then gamers. Hence why the look, and it's a clear indication that they are focusing on a non-gamer audiance.

Indeed. But are the non-gamers who like to be couch potatoes going to be as willing as gamers are to swing that remote around with wild gesticulations just to catch a virtual bass or slice some virtual bread? They like their remote controls for a reason: they allow them to be as lazy as possible (i.e. move as little as possible). Will they like the new gameplay mechanics the Wii provides or will they be too lazy to be bothered to be duped by a controller that apes a clicker? Time will tell....