PETA is quite retarded

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I really can't stand these people:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gfTfIjXieiu7ztxTG5LmW8HPaXoQD920IGC00
HONOLULU (AP) ? The Army says it's critical to saving the lives of wounded soldiers. Animal-rights activists call the training cruel and outdated.

Despite opposition by the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, the Army proceeded to shoot live pigs and treat their gunshot wounds in a medical trauma exercise Friday at Schofield Barracks for soldiers headed to Iraq.

Maj. Derrick Cheng, spokesman for the 25th Infantry Division, said the training was conducted as scheduled under a U.S. Department of Agriculture license and the careful supervision of veterinarians and a military Animal Care and Use Committee.

"It's to teach Army personnel how to manage critically injured patients within the first few hours of their injury," Cheng said.

The soldiers are learning emergency lifesaving skills needed on the battlefield when there are no medics, doctors or facility nearby, he said.

PETA, however, said there are more advanced and humane options available, including high-tech human simulators. In a letter, PETA urged the Army to end all use of animals, "as the overwhelming majority of North American medical schools have already done."

"Shooting and maiming pigs is outdated as Civil War rifles," said Kathy Guillermo, director of PETA's Laboratory Investigations Department.

The Norfolk, Va.-based group demanded the exercise be halted after it was notified by a "distraught" soldier from the unit, who disclosed a plan to shoot the animals with M4 carbines and M16 rifles.

"There's absolutely no reason why they have to shoot live pigs," PETA spokeswoman Holly Beal said.

The bloody exercise, she said, is difficult for soldiers because they sometimes associate the animals with their own pets.

Cheng said the exercise is conducted in a controlled environment with the pigs anesthetized the entire time. He had "no doubt whatsoever" in the effectiveness of the instruction, which he called the best option available at the base.

"Those alternative methods just can't replicate what the troops are going to face when we use live-tissue training," he said. "What we're doing is unique to what the soldiers are going to actually experience."

Cheng didn't have details about the number of pigs, how they were acquired or the weapons involved in the training.

The soldiers being trained are with the 3rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division, which is deploying to Iraq this year.

"We understand (PETA's) concerns and point of view. At the same, the Army is committed to providing the soldiers with the best training possible," Cheng said.

PETA has instructed its 2 million members to inundate the Army with calls and e-mails.

"We are not going to let it drop," Guillermo said Friday. "We'll continue to press both Schofield and the Department of Defense for a ban on these trauma training exercises."
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Nothing beats hands on training for medics and many lives are saved. Not only soldiers but Iraqi and Afghan civilians.

There was an incident in Britain a few years ago when animal rights "activists" dug up the bones of a laboratory workers mother and scattered them on his front lawn purely because the laboratory tested medicines on rodents. :|

If these ****s really cared about animals, they'd do the world a favor and stand in as substitutes for the animals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY

Also, pulled pork is delicious
 
My Government teacher was part of PETA, she was like 70 yrs old. But wow, I got into a little debate with her once over it, started whipping out the facts of PETA. She didn't really know how to respond. Sometimes it makes me feel awkward to take away people's pride and tell them the truth, even if I dislike the person.
 
Well Intentioned Extremists, or just idiots?
 
you know as far as peta stuff goes, this isnt really bad, I've seen far worse, far stupider stories about things they've done
 
Shinobi said:
you know as far as peta stuff goes, this isnt really bad, I've seen far worse, far stupider stories about things they've done
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If it's worse than digging up bodies of researcher's relatives....:X
 
Just serve the test pigs for breakfast after the testing, then PETA can't say shit.
 
I can see how on the surface this is mildly horrifying, but then I remember that they're stand-ins for all the people who are inevitably going to be shot, and then it seems silly.
 
The bloody exercise, she said, is difficult for soldiers because they sometimes associate the animals with their own pets.
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Right, which might be something that'll prepare them for if/when they have to do it on human ****ing beings.
 
would it make a difference if it were dogs? how about cats? horses? cute fuzzy wuzzy rabbits?

The Norfolk, Va.-based group demanded the exercise be halted after it was notified by a "distraught" soldier from the unit, who disclosed a plan to shoot the animals with M4 carbines and M16 rifles.

The bloody exercise, she said, is difficult for soldiers because they sometimes associate the animals with their own pets.
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http://www.bostonherald.com/news/na...7_19_Army_shoots_live_pigs_for_medical_drill/



btw isnt it odd that they're testing soldiers response time to dealing with gun shot wounds when the majority of americans are injured in ied attacks? they should s'plode the pigs to make it more reaslitic


French Ninja said:
There was an incident in Britain a few years ago when animal rights "activists" dug up the bones of a laboratory workers mother and scattered them on his front lawn purely because the laboratory tested medicines on rodents.
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to be honest that's pretty awesome ..they could only have topped that by having dogs (rescued from his house of frankenstein/laboratory) gnawing the mothers bones on his front lawn
 
CptStern said:
you're not answering the question

and they're teaching regular soldiers not medical staff
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Yes I did. I would find that slightly more morally objectionable because I don't think there's much an army field-medic can learn from trying to save a cute fuzzy bunny that's just been shot by an M16. Humans, as far as my limited medical knowledge stretches, are significantly different from rabbits, but are actually not so different from pigs, hence pigs are used alot for stuff like this. Unlucky for the pig, good going on the rabbit. If only they both weren't so tasty...
 
People for the Eating of Tasty Animals is what we always called them in high school.
 
As retarded PETA is, the people shouting "LOL IM GONNA EAT SOME BACON NOW GUYS, LOOK AT ME BEING EDGY!" are more so.

CptStern said:
btw isnt it odd that they're testing soldiers response time to dealing with gun shot wounds when the majority of americans are injured in ied attacks? they should s'plode the pigs to make it more reaslitic
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Heh, that remark reminded me of this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OQtK33C-KrQ
 
PvtRyan said:
As retarded PETA is, the people shouting "LOL IM GONNA EAT SOME BACON NOW GUYS, LOOK AT ME BEING EDGY!" are more so.
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But at least we're eating bacon. Yeah, we ****ing win no matter what.
 
animal_shirt2.jpg
 
But what if they were shooting chimpanzees!


They should shoot gorillas so that they can learn how to combat superhuman beings in hand to hand.
 
At least they weren't drowning dolphins.

**** yeah I went there.
 
zombieturtle01 said:
My Government teacher was part of PETA, she was like 70 yrs old. But wow, I got into a little debate with her once over it, started whipping out the facts of PETA. She didn't really know how to respond. Sometimes it makes me feel awkward to take away people's pride and tell them the truth, even if I dislike the person.
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Here's some facts for ya
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=earthling&sitesearch=#q=earthlings
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=earthling&sitesearch=#q=meat

May I suggest after you've done watching you go ahead and support the killing of billions of
animals, an industry which contributes greatly to pollution and global warming, is responsible
for the immunization of a great deal of bacteria which were thought to be eradicated in the
beginning of the 20th century and have since come back and killed millions humans you
****ing scroungy
little prick.

And all that because you can't be arsed to walk 5 meters over to the soy section, or better
yet because the 3 minutes of pleasure you get from that steak or worth it. Animals may eat
animals to survive but you sick ****s make the fully conscious decision, well aware of the
****ing misery you cause to animals as well as other humans to eat meat because of it's
****ing taste.

The truth of the matter is, this is like seeing Hitler on a pile of dead kikes getting angry at
British soiling his lawn, the enormous and obvious ****ing gap in severity if your actions vs those you
****ing dare to criticize is enough to make 3 Hollywood major motion black comedies.

Looking at the video section I can see that a good deal of you don't mind humans getting
killed when not in an environment where it's a social stigma. Which leads me to believe
that you lack the innate empathetical capacity to even understand the consequence of
your actions. Which still doesn't make you any less deserving of being dragged by your
balls trough the streets of Baghdad.

As far as the military go's, if they sedate them they are giving them a more humane
death then most pigs, and there far more pressing issues for ARA to protest.

P.S if you live in the EU you have all the more reason to be pissed at me, because I have
to ****ing contribute via taxes for farm subsidies all over the EU so you can eat
your meat for a cheap price you ass.

Also did I say I'm a much better human then most of you, yeah indeed. You know
****ing why? Because I ****ing live in a way that harms far less beings, including humans then
you fagots. Yeah, I ****ing own. And I don't even dig up bones of dead people.
Which gives me an actual reason to be pissed at you pricks, well that and the preceding
dozens of insulting and offensive posts. You're all so ****ing brave, being all tough when
surrounded by likeminded ****s you cowardly vultures.
 
toaster-chan said:
Again.
I've been a vegetarian for six years, and I think people like Gray Fox are retarded. They're the reason why whenever I casually mention being a vegetarian on the internet, I immediately get 20 "MMMM BACON LOL 4 EVRY ANIMEL U DONT EET ILL EAT 40" comments. (In before five people copy and paste that in response to my post.) Factory farming and veganism/vegetarianism really doesn't even have anything to do with the thread. And I mean... sure, it's a shitty industry, but the way to stop people from supporting it isn't by way of personal attacks. That'll just piss them off and make them want to keep eating meat.

hay guise, if you love meat but don't like factory farming you should look into buying locally produced meat, usually found at yr local farmer's market. Plus you'll be supporting the local economy, which is fun and exciting times!
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Sensible take on vegetarianism ftw. Well done my good plant-eating friend, well done!
 
Gray Fox said:
Here's some facts for ya

self ego boosting rant thats sole purpose is to apply entirely human and non universal ideas of morality to an arbitrary subject so that I can feel superior to everyone and in my mind justify being an abusive bile spitting unpleasant person, taking a false sense of pride at being "right", without any proof whatsoever that an animal, or even a persons right to life, is some innate universally assured reality of the space-time continuum, and completely failing to notice the delicious irony that the sheer concentrated fervour of belief in their righteous cause as an excuse to spit on other people is exactly like every organized religion going, which no doubt at least one of which I look down upon for the exact behaviour I take part in, but under a different name.
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lol


The irony is I was about to say that while I can appreciate why, I don't like the idea that live animals need to be used for this of all things, that there are viable alternatives and that frankly if we cant handle our soldiers bleeding out like the pigs we should choose our wars more carefully in future, but man, I still think PETA is a bunch of ****ing noobsticks, and your a prime example of why.

I'm gonna make a ham sandwich now, BRB.


Toaster, there is a garden center cafe near a town up-valley from where I live, man, they make the most gorgeous salads ever I swear to god its like a little plate of veggie formed heaven, if I find out there cook is female I am so going to propose marriage. :P

I like veggies like you. I like the fact you folks are fully aware your vegetarianism is purely down to your own choice and is not due to some universal concept of dietary morality, and that you recognize you have absolutely no grounds to dictate to the human race why it should part with a naturally occurring part of its diet since predators first evolved naturally on the Earth billions of years ago when the first amoebic cell phagocytized a smaller one.

I like how your fully aware that your vegetarianism is the 'unatural' human diet (everything that exists by definition is natural, human made or not) and that by someone living like a hippy means squat to the plethora of unthinking uncaring animals that couldn't care less, nor those elephants, bears and other large mammals/animals that over the years have killed humans without so much as a single sentient thought of guilt or remorse.




I like that you know that the only remotest chance in hell humans will part with meat consumption is when our domesticated animals can return the sapient pang of guilt and sadness at our passing as we seem to be able in our comfy modern lifestyles to afford to them.

And even then we'll just stick with chicken, **** those birds are dumb, its like they evolved to be eaten. :thumbs:
 
nurizeko said:
chicken, **** those birds are dumb, its like they evolved to be eaten. :thumbs:
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They were evolved to be eaten, as were all our crops and livestock. Selective breeding by us.
 
toaster-chan said:
Again.
I've been a vegetarian for six years, and I think people like Gray Fox are retarded. They're the reason why whenever I casually mention being a vegetarian on the internet, I immediately get 20 "MMMM BACON LOL 4 EVRY ANIMEL U DONT EET ILL EAT 40" comments. (In before five people copy and paste that in response to my post.) Factory farming and veganism/vegetarianism really doesn't even have anything to do with the thread. And I mean... sure, it's a shitty industry, but the way to stop people from supporting it isn't by way of personal attacks. That'll just piss them off and make them want to keep eating meat.

hay guise, if you love meat but don't like factory farming you should look into buying locally produced meat, usually found at yr local farmer's market. Plus you'll be supporting the local economy, which is fun and exciting times!
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Did this thread start with my post? No it started with OP being angry at ARA not wanting the
military to kill animals when there are proven alternatives according to them?
It continued with a ****ing retarded video who's sole purpose is to make fun of ARA.
And the ****ing thread continued with bashing, unfunny disgusting jokes that did bring
factory farming in this thread before me.

At what point did this thread provide an opportunity to have an actual discussion, you know
one where you disclose your ideas in a way that is clear on every assumption, argument as
well as any supporting evidence, and in a way that makes other members feel comfortable
discussing with you?

I'm tired of being confronted with ideas that are either plain stupid, non sequitur or so miss
the point that I have to learn a whole new vocabulary to address them.
As far as I am concerned the thread would have ended up in shit anyway (well for me), and
since the other members are making it that much harder for me to post, there is no reason
that discussion with me shouldn't be as uncomfortable to you as it is for me.

The reason you get confronted with that stupidity is because your dealing with ****ing idiots.
Ask yourself, even if they had been in previous hostile argument with a vegan how would
that make it ok for them to post what they do?

Now imagine if I bought a dog and then ****ing proceed to beat him and kill him, would that
be Ok. Would you get angry? And why? Let looks at it closer.
In this case I put my own pleasure above the well being of a dog. Now how is that morally
different from someone who chooses to eat meat not because they would otherwise not be
healthy but for the sake of pleasure the meat gives them, as in most western countries. Sure
there is a difference in sanity, as in I doubt most meeties actually enjoy the fact that animals
get killed for their meat, but morally speaking in both cases you are putting the well being of
the animals lower then a simple pleasure, and in this case the well being of other humans as
well. How is this not something to get angry about, especially when you confronted by the
very same people in the fashion of this thread . Or maybe you don't give a shit about
animals. How about peanut butter jars, you care for them right IIRC.

Now imagine me taking peanut butter jars and just smashing them, or worse, taking a knife,
opening the jar and puncturing the contents and smearing the intestines of the butter jar all
over a toast. Would you care then? There is new research indicating that some farm animals
are as smart and emotionally sophisticated as peanut butter jars, would you not get angry if
those animals get killed?

Nurizeko it's funny you should mention non universal ideas of morality when
comparing me to religious fanatics, as that kind of morally relativistic bullshit is often used to
excuse ****all barbaric religious extremist.

And my ideas are based on utilitarian consequentialism as well as the golden rule, two of the
most successful secular moral philosophies in western society, that unlike many other moral
codes are favored by evolution and thus something we are born with, together with our
blood lust and everything bad unfortunately. They are also behind many laws we have as
well as our behavior towards people who are close to us, because they are a fairly accurate
way to judge behavior and reward as well as punish it. All my reasoning is based on
naturalistic views and supported by arguments which do not evoke any supernatural
bullshit, and my assumptions as well as facts I present can be falsified, you ****.

Also your eating diets have externalities which means the rest of the world is confronted by
the consequences of your diet and thus it is fully open to debate and judgment. And you
****ing stupid **** of all ****s, killing, raping, slavery all are natural, it's the ****ing strong
overcoming the weak, it's all evolution, it's all natural and in no way does it morally justify
ones behavior.
 
Gray Fox,

I agree with you that the way we currently consume meat, mostly the quantity of it, is unsustainable and wrong. That's actually something that cannot be argued against. However, I really don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with killing an animal for food. But we already went over that some other time, so I won't make the point again. What I'm saying is that you're better off arguing against how animals are killed and eaten, not that they are killed and eaten. Argue in favor of improvement of the meat industry, rather than argue against eating meat at all. That's a battle that can and should be won. Argue that people should be more conscious about what kind of meat they eat, but don't argue they shouldn't eat meat.
 
Animals get killed for a variety of reasons. Some animals are killed by other animals. News at eleven.
 
PvtRyan said:
Gray Fox,

I agree with you that the way we currently consume meat, mostly the quantity of it, is unsustainable and wrong. That's actually something that cannot be argued against. However, I really don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with killing an animal for food. But we already went over that some other time, so I won't make the point again. What I'm saying is that you're better off arguing against how animals are killed and eaten, not that they are killed and eaten. Argue in favor of improvement of the meat industry, rather than argue against eating meat at all. That's a battle that can and should be won. Argue that people should be more conscious about what kind of meat they eat, but don't argue they shouldn't eat meat.
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I'll back you up on that. I'm definitely carnivorous, but I'll support better practices in the meat industry whenever my situation an wallet allow me to do so.
 
PvtRyan said:
Gray Fox,

I agree with you that the way we currently consume meat, mostly the quantity of it, is unsustainable and wrong. That's actually something that cannot be argued against. However, I really don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with killing an animal for food. But we already went over that some other time, so I won't make the point again. What I'm saying is that you're better off arguing against how animals are killed and eaten, not that they are killed and eaten. Argue in favor of improvement of the meat industry, rather than argue against eating meat at all. That's a battle that can and should be won. Argue that people should be more conscious about what kind of meat they eat, but don't argue they shouldn't eat meat.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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