Problems with HL2 going gold in august....

[McFly]

We all know by now that in 15 days, there should be a minimum number of bugs in HL2, so august 6th. But it was anounced that CS:S beta will not begin until August 10. How long are they going to be in beta, since we know that CS:S is comming with HL2, it cannot go gold until CS:S is complete and has fit Vivendis standards.
WHats u thinks? :dozey:

 

[lans]

We all know by now that in 15 days, there should be a minimum number of bugs in HL2, so august 6th. But it was anounced that CS:S beta will not begin until August 10. How long are they going to be in beta, since we know that CS:S is comming with HL2, it cannot go gold until CS:S is complete and has fit Vivendis standards.
WHats u thinks? :dozey:

Seriously, did you really HAVE to make another thread on this?

2 or 3 threads are discussing the same topic.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=28871

 

[galoot3000]

i thought that the CS:source beta was only coming with it.... i dunno maybe i should read the other 3 threads on this

 

[PvtRyan]

Lets not speculate on this again, because frankly, we don't know anything about the situation or even the gameindustry and how it works. Speculating on these vague matters only brings flaming and doubt.

 

[McFly]

ewxcept that thread talks about the bugz, i talk about CS:S.....

 

[Chris D]

People are misunderstanding the difference between "release candidate" and going gold.

A release candidate is a copy that a developer sends over to the publisher where they will do strict quality assurance tests and playtesting on the product. Vivendi will likely find bugs so Valve will be then asked to fix them.

A second release candidate is sent to Vivendi, once again they find bugs, Valve fix them and so on.

Eventually there will be a point where Vivendi and Valve are happy that the product is final and Valve will then send a "gold master" to Vivendi which is the master copy of the product that will be duplicated and distributed. Assume that if the first RC is in 16 days, that it won't go gold for another three-five weeks, and then won't release for a further three. Late September - Early October.

 

[Chadda]

I reckon CS:S beta is to test Steam. If it goes ok then maybe 1 week of beta testing CS:S (Steam) and if the RC is accepted on or around Aug. 6th, then maybe Gold on Aug. 17th.

Should an Admin open an official Sweep thread on the Gold Date seeing as we are getting very close - by all reports?

They have always said "Summer Release" (summer = northern hemisphere) - August 31st is the last day of Summer.

 

[63]

I reckon CS:S beta is to test Steam. If it goes ok then maybe 1 week of beta testing CS:S (Steam) and if the RC is accepted on or around Aug. 6th, then maybe Gold on Aug. 17th.

Should an Admin open an official Sweep thread on the Gold Date seeing as we are getting very close - by all reports?

They have always said "Summer Release" (summer = northern hemisphere) - August 31st is the last day of Summer.

The CS:S Beta is to test Source, not Steam..unless I've missed something..

 

[Chris D]

I reckon CS:S beta is to test Steam. If it goes ok then maybe 1 week of beta testing CS:S (Steam) and if the RC is accepted on or around Aug. 6th, then maybe Gold on Aug. 17th.

Should an Admin open an official Sweep thread on the Gold Date seeing as we are getting very close - by all reports?

They have always said "Summer Release" (summer = northern hemisphere) - August 31st is the last day of Summer.

They've said they're aiming for a summer release but recently they've started saying Autumn/Fall. The offiical end of summer is September 23rd.

 

[Some_God]

Valve should shut their mouths... it only brings them harm. They should give out dates only when they are sure they can meet them. More than a year of false date-giving has pissed me off. :flame:

 

[Chadda]

OK in Equinox terms it's (Sept. 22, 12:30 P.M.). I didn't think about the proposed gold date like that. Hasn't anyone got a time machine handy FFS.

Still I'm taking a stab at Aug. 17th. lol.

 

[63]

Valve should shut their mouths... it only brings them harm. They should give out dates only when they are sure they can meet them. More than a year of false date-giving has pissed me off. :flame:

They have only given 1 false date. All other notions at seasons were pure spec...

 

[Some_God]

They have only given 1 false date. All other notions at seasons were pure spec...

How is that only one false date (sept 30th I mean)... Speculation or not they were false dates that mislead us once again. From the top of my head I can only remember 3 they gave us... and thats 3 too many.

 

[PvtRyan]

Valve should shut their mouths... it only brings them harm. They should give out dates only when they are sure they can meet them. More than a year of false date-giving has pissed me off. :flame:

This is what's wrong with you people, it's just never good, no matter what Valve does. They were flamed earlier this year for not giving a releasedate.
And they haven't said anything but the period they were aiming for, and so what if they miss it? You'd be a retard to think that period is guaranteed in the gamingindustry.
Dates get missed, boo-hoo.

 

[iamaelephant]

When will people listen to me? November. That's when the game comes out. October if you're extremely lucky, but not before.

 

[poseyjmac]

its hard to take an elephant seriously

 

[63]

When will people listen to me? November. That's when the game comes out. October if you're extremely lucky, but not before.

Nah, that's too late September is what I says

 

[Cyber$nake]

Im thinking it'l come out in September. If not, Valve is going to get sued because I'll die of boredom before HL2 comes out...

 

[ViolenceJack]

CS:S beta maybe to test steam but it wouldnt make sense to control it so its only CZ buyers atm. You know as in test to see if steam can handle a mass load of people downloading like what will happen when HL2 comes out. Are they going to release the beta to everyone after its been CZ only for abit. That would be a serious stress test the CZ would be a lighter one but still a test.

The CS:S beta wouldnt be to test source, they have people at valve to do that and have been for a bit now. They will look at specific areas and go over lots of stuff with great detail, do you really think the public is gonner do that.

 

[kaf11]

When will people listen to me? November. That's when the game comes out. October if you're extremely lucky, but not before.

its possible that the game will come out in september. i would say october at the very latest. on a side note, your old avatar was cooler.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september, 3rd september.



That's all I have to say, I'm hanging in there. You may think I'm mad, you may think I'm foolish, even crazy;
But you'll see, you'll all see!

 

[KagePrototype]

When will people listen to me? November. That's when the game comes out. October if you're extremely lucky, but not before.

Because you're guessing, just like everyone else. There's no reason to beleive you more than any other guesses.

 

[sHm0zY]

why cant they just releace it with hl2 as a beta. you can always jsut have updates for it.

 

[slider3005]

i know how you guys always say that EB and other computer game stores guess on the release dates but i believe that september 3rd is still very probable.

 

[The Mullinator]

mid to late september seems perfectly reasonable to me given the stage in development they are in. Not that I have any experience with developing games but from what I gather such a date seems likely unless any unforseen problems arise.

I just hope that if something unforseen does happen that people don't start running around like chickens with their heads cut off calling Valve liars and the scum of the gaming industry like they did before. This is the game development industry, nothing is a sure thing, anything could happen and it often isn't something that you can blame on the developer.

 

[[Dragoon]]

CS:S beta maybe to test steam but it wouldnt make sense to control it so its only CZ buyers atm. You know as in test to see if steam can handle a mass load of people downloading like what will happen when HL2 comes out. Are they going to release the beta to everyone after its been CZ only for abit. That would be a serious stress test the CZ would be a lighter one but still a test.

The CS:S beta wouldnt be to test source, they have people at valve to do that and have been for a bit now. They will look at specific areas and go over lots of stuff with great detail, do you really think the public is gonner do that.

They have tons of people using steam, don't really need anyone else to test that. They only have a a limited inhouse staff to playtest Source. Think how much faster they could find and fix bugs if EVERYONE with CZ was testing the Source engine?

Besides, I'm pretty sure Gabe already said that it's to test Source.

 

[Biscuit]

Yep, [Dragoon] is right. Gabe's stated MANY times that CS:S is to test Source, not Steam. They need to test Source with the masses like that so that they can be sure it will run properly on most system configurations. He's also said that CS:S will most likely ship with Half-Life 2, but that it is not certain. Judging by the fact that they are constantly saying they want to ship Half-Life 2, and that it is their highest priority, I don't think they would delay it for CS:S, because CS:S is NOT Half-Life 2, even if many people are looking forward to it as much as Half-Life 2.

 

[Dile]

People are misunderstanding the difference between "release candidate" and going gold.

A release candidate is a copy that a developer sends over to the publisher where they will do strict quality assurance tests and playtesting on the product. Vivendi will likely find bugs so Valve will be then asked to fix them.

A second release candidate is sent to Vivendi, once again they find bugs, Valve fix them and so on.

Eventually there will be a point where Vivendi and Valve are happy that the product is final and Valve will then send a "gold master" to Vivendi which is the master copy of the product that will be duplicated and distributed. Assume that if the first RC is in 16 days, that it won't go gold for another three-five weeks, and then won't release for a further three. Late September - Early October.

No no no

Quality Assurance peeps at Vivendi dont look for bugs. They play the game, and then write up a few things that they want Valve to change, because they think the change can make the game sell better (e.g.: Gordon should have a ponytail, Alyx should wear a bikini, etc etc.)


Anyway, the CS:S beta shouldnt uncover many bugs in the netcode. I havent heard of any developers doing this to find bugs, and most game's netcode is fine without this kind of test.

 

[Rupertvdb]

People are misunderstanding the difference between "release candidate" and going gold.

A release candidate is a copy that a developer sends over to the publisher where they will do strict quality assurance tests and playtesting on the product. Vivendi will likely find bugs so Valve will be then asked to fix them.

A second release candidate is sent to Vivendi, once again they find bugs, Valve fix them and so on.

Eventually there will be a point where Vivendi and Valve are happy that the product is final and Valve will then send a "gold master" to Vivendi which is the master copy of the product that will be duplicated and distributed. Assume that if the first RC is in 16 days, that it won't go gold for another three-five weeks, and then won't release for a further three. Late September - Early October.

I think that is a bit pessimistic but then again you'll get a pleasant suprise if you're wrong so it's functional pessimism. However, i still think the numbers you have there are total guesses and can't be taken too seriosuly.

 

[Striker]

i did hear that the beta test would last like from august 10th till 15th. Not sure where it was.. either here or steams forums.

 

[lonestar]

i don't know if you missed it or something ( ) but valve said, more precisely doug, that hl2 isn't set for a summer release anymore. they plan to release it in fall/autumn. this news is couple of weeks old and was posted on sites like voodoo extreme.. but not on hl2.net.. :hmph: ...

get this "summer release" out of your head.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

i don't know if you missed it or something ( ) but valve said, more precisely doug, that hl2 isn't set for a summer release anymore. they plan to release it in fall/autumn. this news is couple of weeks old and was posted on sites like voodoo extreme.. but not on hl2.net.. :hmph: ...

get this "summer release" out of your head.

NEVAHHH!!!!



Ahem...

Surely they could release HL2 with some of the less important bugs to do with multiplayer anyway.. seeing as they have steam an all..
Bah... I am getting tired of waiting for this game..


The hype came... and went.

Then came back again! Then went again..



Now I'm just plain bored. :frown:

 

[Rupertvdb]

SNAP! i have a lust for the game one sec then next sec i just wish they'd spit it out and let us at leasthave a go.

 

[ScopeD]

ok, I didn't get the time to read all posts but it was said in the steam forums that the beta test for cs:source lasts two weeks.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

The hype came... and went.

Then came back again! Then went again..



Now I'm just plain bored. :frown:

PHEER THE YOYO!!!!

Actually it would seem the yoyo is loosing momentum. No-one experiences highs or lows anymore, it's just a constant state of "release the ****ing game now please"

 

[RoguePsi]

When will people listen to me? November. That's when the game comes out. October if you're extremely lucky, but not before.

No-one will ever listen to you!! You have no idea what you are talking about!! It was quite amusing at first but now it's a little annoying. I suspect that when Half-life 2 is on the shelves you'll still be denying it and saying it won't be out till Spring!!

Here...distract yourself with the bunny.... :imu:

 

[Silent_night]

if it is not summer then FOR SURE its sept 30

 

[lonestar]

if they would announce, hl2 ships on sept. 30th.. oh oh, that would be a baaad sign.

would you believe it? lol..

 

[63]

if they would announce, hl2 ships on sept. 30th.. oh oh, that would be a baaad sign.

would you believe it? lol..

Yes I would. I would've liked it a bit sooner, but a solid date is a solid date (might not be that solid if it comes from Valve though )

 

[brisck1]

Im pretty sure The publishers leave the majortiy of the playtesting and bug fixing to the Developers Chris_D.
I dont know where everyone gets this idea tht publishers have this big period of playtesting to play it over and over.
I do believe that they do have a quality assurance system in place which will consist of some playtesting, but only a little. I think they will basically be checking up on License Agreements and other legal stuff, and well as the other basic software testing- Eg. if it actually installs properly on a variety of machines...

I may be wrong, but I'm going to do some more research into it later.