PS3 delayed

[dream431ca]

Thank god it's delayed. I was waiting for sony to announce the delay because I feel that if they were to release it this month in Japan, it would be incomplete. Sony says they delayed it because of the Blu-Ray issues....I hope they refine the whole console while they have the time otherwise, the PS3 will not stand up to the X360 or revolution. I feel that sony doesn't have a good plan for the system.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145919.html

 

[The Mullinator]

Oh they have a plan alright. It just seems to revolve around Blu-ray. They have even stated that games are simply the PS3's killer application while it's main focus is as a Blu-ray player.

From what I can tell and see Blu-ray is really bad for the playstation and is really causing problems while only helping the movie business of Sony. Implementing Blu-ray is not at all good for gamers as far as I can tell, it's delaying and sending the system cost sky rocketing.

Anyway, I have to say it was pretty obvious this was going to happen. Although the possibility of a north american release being delayed to early 2007 (november in Japan probably won't mean a 2006 north american launch) is still something hard to imagine. I mean that would give the 360 a two christmas head start and the Revolution one christmas.

 

[DigiQ8]

It still unofficial tho..

 

[The Mullinator]

It still unofficial tho..

In two hours we will find out for sure since that is when Sony is having a press conference. It seems pretty likely though.

 

[63]

Honestly, we all know its never coming out.

 

[smwScott]

I'm glad it will have a Blu Ray player, will save me money from having to buy a separate player when it becomes the standard (although I don't see what it will do for movies that DVD can't). It also prevents games from having to be shipped on multiple DVDs as will likely be the case for the 360.

As far as the delay, which it amost certainly will be, I really don't care. I'm still happy with my PS2 and some of the best games are just coming out now. I probably won't even get one until there's a lot of good games out for it and/or the first price drop anyway.

 

[ChiChi]

You know what would be funny? If HD-DVD becomes the new standard. But, it we don't need new formats now. The only way too see a difference its to have an HD-TV, and still only about 10% of HD-Tv owners will be able to watch Blu-Ray and HD-DVD movies. ****ing Hollywood.

 

[ericms]

From what little I've read, I know that I at least will be looking forward to release of the PS3. They're making it on a more open design (yay!). I absolutely love that they're coming with a linux port preinstalled as not only is this open to us, it also means alot of the linux developers will port linux software. I also like that it is open to develop on as well, since this means more indie and hobbyist developers have the chance to have their games take advantage of a next-gen console's hardware. I dunno how that is a bad plan personally.

 

[VictimOfScience]

Hahaha! Yeah, big surprise here. Not official yet, but all but a given now.

Who really cares though? I'll gladly wait for it if it can offer the games I really want to play whenever it does come out. If it can't, then there's always the Rev and/or the 360. Til then I have a ton of PC gaming to do, mostly in the form of Oblivion next week!!!

 

[Gargantou]

I think someone here wrote my exact opinion about Sony and why they have issues with the PS3..
Because they're a jack of all trades, but master of none..
But that's just my opinion, obviously.
Make no mistake, I will be getting the PS3 for MGS4, but as far as Sony goes, I find'em to be highly unimpressive in terms of console development, the only reason I still buy the PS consoles are because they're usually supported by more devs than say XB.

 

[CptStern]

more info:


At today's PlayStation Business Briefing, Sony has verified earlier reports that PS3 has been delayed until November of this year. However, contradicting prior statements that the company is not planning a simultaneous worldwide release, PlayStation boss Ken Kutaragi confirmed that the console will in fact launch worldwide in November. Specifically confirmed territories getting the console by the end of 2006 include North America, Asia, Europe, and Australasia. The company plans to ship six million PS3 units in 2006, with a million more shipped each subsequent month. If this goal is met, it will significantly outshine the Xbox 360 launch, which is still suffering from rampant shortages.

Additional announcements made so far:

- PS3 will utilize a 60GB hard drive. The drive is upgradable, and will run Linux. Apparently like the Xbox 360, it will allow the console to serve as a media hub in some way. All games will be developed under the assumption that a hard drive is present.

- Full PS1 and PS2 backwards compatibility has been re-confirmed. As with Xbox 360, the console will upsample legacy games to high definition resolutions, but full support will be built into the system rather than added.

- Final PS3 development kits will ship in June. Coincidentally, that is the same month final Revolution kits will be reaching developers.

- PS3's online service will have a basic version available free to all users. It will feature services such as matchmaking, voice chat, and purchasable content. IGN reports that GameSpy has been contracted to contribute to the online implementation, with the assistance of Sony Online Entertainment. GameSpy was also tapped to contribute to Nintendo's DS online service.

- No games were showcased at the event.



http://www.shacknews.com/

 

[VictimOfScience]

The company plans to ship six million PS3 units in 2006, with a million more shipped each subsequent month.

For clarification purposes, that's FY06 though, so through March of '07 we will see 6 million hopefully according to this plan.

Ambitious to get the worldwide launch going after seeing MS's problems with it, but I don't think they really have that much of a choice, esp. given the quality of 360 games that will be around come Christmas. Its good to see that Europe isn't getting the sh1t end of the stick this time! :thumbs:

 

[VirusType2]

Its not delayed you morons. They just lied about releasing it when they said they would.
Sort of a Sony policy.


BOOOOOOOOO

Don't say I didn't tell you so. *looks up*

Now wait for the next "delay"

Who is to say that this is not another lie to keep people waiting for the PS3, and holding off from the urge to buy the 360 a little longer.


Sony = Full of shit

EDIT: Im not even saying that It isn't a good idea to lie to the consumers or that I know of it to be a fact that they are. Its a
great way to get people to wait.

Its like when someone asks if you are ready and you say "hang on a minute" or "just a minute!" but really you need 5 or 10 minutes, but its a way of keeping them waiting.



Im no insider. Im just saying that Sony has a track record of this practice and ... I told you so.

 

[The Mullinator]

From what little I've read, I know that I at least will be looking forward to release of the PS3. They're making it on a more open design (yay!). I absolutely love that they're coming with a linux port preinstalled as not only is this open to us, it also means alot of the linux developers will port linux software. I also like that it is open to develop on as well, since this means more indie and hobbyist developers have the chance to have their games take advantage of a next-gen console's hardware. I dunno how that is a bad plan personally.

meh, from what I have read the PS2 with the HD also allowed for Linux to run.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/playstation-conference-news-roundup-160603.php

Apparently the price is also going to be "no less" than $425 US. Hard drive will be a requirement for playing any games but Sony is considering making the hard drive a seperate purchase.

I also somewhat doubt Sony will be able to pull off a world wide launch. Microsoft obviously had a great deal of trouble doing it
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/a...ge_a_global_ps3_rollout_lets_do_the_math.html

 

[Gargantou]

VirusType, take a ****ing chill pill and calm down, and please stick to a normal-sized font!
You make Baby Jesus cry!
But yes I pretty much agree with you..
My feelings were written a bit above.
This should be Sony's new slogan.
"Sony, jack of all trades! Master of none <3"

 

[VirusType2]

VirusType, take a ****ing chill pill and calm down, and please stick to a normal-sized font!
You make Baby Jesus cry!
But yes I pretty much agree with you..
My feelings were written a bit above.
This should be Sony's new slogan.
"Sony, jack of all trades! Master of none <3"

MEH
Im not excited. The PS3 is nothing to get excited about. I couldn't possibly be more calm.

I wrote in a large text becuase I told you so bitches! hahaha!
I think you should heed your own demands to avoid sounding like a crazed hypocrite. Chill Gargantou my friend. From how I see it, you used swear words, religeon, modern medicine, assumtions, demands, and a exclamations in your statement directed at me.

All of this and you agree with me?


I shudder to imagine what might happen if he doesn't agree with you. Take heed and proceed with caution.


I don't think the baby Jesus thing is very appropriate or funny I might add. Obviously you were trying to provoke a response from me, but what do you want me to say? "Yes sir I will make a mental note that large letters intimidate and/or annoy you."


And what does jack of all trades have to do with anything?

 

[AiM]

Don't quite see how they're 'master of none' ...

 

[Gargantou]

VirusType2, You never cease to amaze me..
You need to take a chill-pill, calm down with the aggressiveness AND learn how to spell properly, and if you do know how to spell properly, atleast take the time to do so.
But whatever.
Back on topic.
AiM, IMO and this is just IMO, Sony always tries to do everything, but really doesn't succeed in mastering anything imo..
I doubt the PS3 online service will be as good as XBL. Why? MS has alot more experience with these sort of things.
Also, if you argue that they're being helped by GameSpy.. GameSpy's nowhere near as good as XBL imo, but yet again, this is just a matter of opinion.

 

[VirusType2]

VirusType2, You never cease to amaze me..
You need to take a chill-pill, calm down with the aggressiveness AND learn how to spell properly, and if you do know how to spell properly, atleast take the time to do so.
But whatever.
Back on topic.
AiM, IMO and this is just IMO, Sony always tries to do everything, but really doesn't succeed in mastering anything imo..
I doubt the PS3 online service will be as good as XBL. Why? MS has alot more experience with these sort of things.
Also, if you argue that they're being helped by GameSpy.. GameSpy's nowhere near as good as XBL imo, but yet again, this is just a matter of opinion.

Now you have crossed a line.

Nice with the insults you ****ing cheese head. Learn your place and stay in it. Learn to spell? How fun that you want to insult my intelligence and education at this point. How mature of you.

Humor me. Name one thing I spelled incorrectly. Oh here, let me correct your posts

atleast

at least is two words

find'em

this should be find them or find 'em

normal-sized

incorrect and unnecessary use of the dash

Baby

incorrect and unnecessary use of capitalization

slogan.

improper use of punctuation
lol


And how was I being aggressive? Well certainly now I am, after you continue to provoke me. Two consecutive posts from you, almost entirely directed at me containing almost a dozen demands and insults on me and I am being aggressive?

Untill now, I thought you were an alright guy Gargantou, but now I see that you are just a troll and If you lived next door to me I would be banging on your door to pay a visit.
******.

 

[CptStern]

I think I speak for everyone when I say

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

 

[dream431ca]

more info:


At today's PlayStation Business Briefing, Sony has verified earlier reports that PS3 has been delayed until November of this year. However, contradicting prior statements that the company is not planning a simultaneous worldwide release, PlayStation boss Ken Kutaragi confirmed that the console will in fact launch worldwide in November. Specifically confirmed territories getting the console by the end of 2006 include North America, Asia, Europe, and Australasia. The company plans to ship six million PS3 units in 2006, with a million more shipped each subsequent month. If this goal is met, it will significantly outshine the Xbox 360 launch, which is still suffering from rampant shortages.

Additional announcements made so far:

- PS3 will utilize a 60GB hard drive. The drive is upgradable, and will run Linux. Apparently like the Xbox 360, it will allow the console to serve as a media hub in some way. All games will be developed under the assumption that a hard drive is present.

- Full PS1 and PS2 backwards compatibility has been re-confirmed. As with Xbox 360, the console will upsample legacy games to high definition resolutions, but full support will be built into the system rather than added.

- Final PS3 development kits will ship in June. Coincidentally, that is the same month final Revolution kits will be reaching developers.

- PS3's online service will have a basic version available free to all users. It will feature services such as matchmaking, voice chat, and purchasable content. IGN reports that GameSpy has been contracted to contribute to the online implementation, with the assistance of Sony Online Entertainment. GameSpy was also tapped to contribute to Nintendo's DS online service.

- No games were showcased at the event.



http://www.shacknews.com/

Wow stern. Thanks for all the info :thumbs:

 

[smwScott]

AiM, IMO and this is just IMO, Sony always tries to do everything, but really doesn't succeed in mastering anything imo..
I doubt the PS3 online service will be as good as XBL. Why? MS has alot more experience with these sort of things.
Also, if you argue that they're being helped by GameSpy.. GameSpy's nowhere near as good as XBL imo, but yet again, this is just a matter of opinion.

I don't particularly like Sony as a company ... or any major corporation for that matter, but they've definitely mastered certain aspects of the game industry. They have the largest installed userbase, the most third party support, and in my opinion the best exclusive games are on their systems.

And as far as this being their first time ... well it was Microsofts first time with the original X-BOX and that turned out pretty good. Also, I believe they stated that features like matchmaking would be free of charge. That alone pushes it over the top in my opinion, as I'm sure the lobby system will be more than competent and that's all that really matters.

And to that Virus guy, you really need to work on being more obnoxious, you're not quite annoying enough yet. Also, yes, you were the only person in the entire world that thought the PS3 would get delayed and no one believed you. From now on write your prophecies in even bigger font so we won't miss the next revelation.

 

[TCfromBN]

First of all I don't know how you see PS3 as "nothing new" at all. Mabe you live under a rock and haven't heard of a CELL processor. Sounds pretty new to me. I believe sony could pull off a world-wide launch also, that is IF they get to producing thoes quoted 6 million units a month. Microsoft couldn't pull it off because they didn't have enough in production, imo they probably haven't even produced 6 mil yet :| . IF this is what Sony's plans really are I see no reason why they couldn't pull it off.

 

[dream431ca]

First of all I don't know how you see PS3 as "nothing new" at all. Mabe you live under a rock and haven't heard of a CELL processor. Sounds pretty new to me. I believe sony could pull off a world-wide launch also, that is IF they get to producing thoes quoted 6 million units a month. Microsoft couldn't pull it off because they didn't have enough in production, imo they probably haven't even produced 6 mil yet :| . IF this is what Sony's plans really are I see no reason why they couldn't pull it off.

Well, I'm not worried about how many systems they're gonna ship. They should learn from microsoft. What I'm worried about are the actual games. We haven't seen any conclusive screenshots, gameplay or the controller that controls the system.

 

[TCfromBN]

Thats because nobody has a final dev kit, games are in VERY early stages too. That part im worried about right now, the launch. :| It's gona end up like 360 in the beginning, the first few games wont "feel next gen" but as I see it, with the Cell processor being able to take up quite a load, it will eventualy surpass the 360. It has more potential, not by an overwhealming margin, but I believe it will surpass the 360, just because of the Cell's capabilities. The cell is gona be big.

 

[Gargantou]

From how I see it, you used swear words, religeon, modern medicine, assumtions, demands, and a exclamations in your statement directed at me.

Now let's both STFU and cut this crap, mmkay?

 

[Cole]

First of all I don't know how you see PS3 as "nothing new" at all. Mabe you live under a rock and haven't heard of a CELL processor. Sounds pretty new to me. I believe sony could pull off a world-wide launch also, that is IF they get to producing thoes quoted 6 million units a month. Microsoft couldn't pull it off because they didn't have enough in production, imo they probably haven't even produced 6 mil yet :| . IF this is what Sony's plans really are I see no reason why they couldn't pull it off.

Yeah Cell is new but that has nothing to do with the PS3, yeah Cell is in the Ps3 but the PS3 wont bring anything massively new to the gaming world. Does the console itself explore new gametypes? How about change how we play games? Not really. It just upgrades the graphics, thats what people mean by nothing new.

The Cell Processor may not even find itself in the Pc world. Though they were talking about making it Linux only(no support for windows or macs). If it ever finds itself into the gaming world I would be very impressed. Now AMD already said the Cell Processor was a wake up call so you can bet there going to try and match it.
Intel has turned around with extremely high performance but very low power CPU's.

Cell is just a processor it dosn't tell you if a game will be good or bad. It wont dosn't change how games will be played.

 

[Baal]

As long as they make it better than the Xbox360 release I don't care how long it takes.

 

[TCfromBN]

I know the PS3 wont bring any new gametypes or change how we play games. By "new" I meant a multi (8) (core) processor. Whats even more "new" than that is that it's going into a console, that, to me is very impressive. I beliveve it will open up more opportunities for realisticness than the 360. By saying that I mean that it will be able to control more minute details, and control up to (8?) completely different tasks simultaneously(leaving space for a wide variety of tasks to be computed simultaneously). Yeah the 360 can do that with the 3 seprate processors, but on a smaller scale. The Cell brings 8 completely different threads into one peice of hardware, which to me is pretty impressive. I'm sure AMD and Intel are jumping into this kind of stuff, it's really the "next step" in processors. However small of a change everybody thinks it's going to be from the 360, is not realistic, if you can take full advantage of a cell, then results will be MUCH better than 3 seprate single cores.

 

[Cole]

You have that messed up. I've read tons of tech details on the Ps3.

The Xbox 360 has 3 very powerfull cores.
Cell has 1 powerfull Core with 7 minor cores. So the 3 seperate processors but on a smaller scale is wrong. Cell is 8 cores but 7 on a much smaller scale and alot less cache to utilize but can stream information very quick to one another.

Cell utilizes a bunch of smaller processors with a new style of caching. Also each Cell SPE is optimized for Float Point Operations. This means that when using intergers or something, the 360 will fly ahead, but when throwing in decimals the Ps3 will fly ahead.

Cell will be able to throw better graphics than the Ps3 yes, but the fact remains that it wont be able to do that much better. CPU's to not define graphics anywhere near entirely. Graphic Cards also come into play. 360 does have a better graphics card.

The point is that right away the graphics will be similar, the Ps3 will pull ahead but in the end it will be like comparing a Ps2 to Xbox game. Thats about the difference in quality the Xbox 360 to the Ps3 will have.

 

[TCfromBN]

Yeah, I have skimed over alot of info on the PS3 so I'm not supprised if I've got something not quite right. However I still think that the overall performance of the Cell is somewhat higher than the 360s processors. By the way, what makes the 360s more powerful than the Cell, both run at 3.2 GHz and as far as I know both are 32 bit, I honestly don't know. As far as I knew, the Cell had 7 SPUs and 1 PPU, to me that sounds like more than 3 normal cores, mabe I'm wrong?

 

[Gray Fox]

You have that messed up. I've read tons of tech details on the Ps3.

The Xbox 360 has 3 very powerfull cores.
Cell has 1 powerfull Core with 7 minor cores. So the 3 seperate processors but on a smaller scale is wrong. Cell is 8 cores but 7 on a much smaller scale and alot less cache to utilize but can stream information very quick to one another.

Cell utilizes a bunch of smaller processors with a new style of caching. Also each Cell SPE is optimized for Float Point Operations. This means that when using intergers or something, the 360 will fly ahead, but when throwing in decimals the Ps3 will fly ahead.

Cell will be able to throw better graphics than the Ps3 yes, but the fact remains that it wont be able to do that much better. CPU's to not define graphics anywhere near entirely. Graphic Cards also come into play. 360 does have a better graphics card.

The point is that right away the graphics will be similar, the Ps3 will pull ahead but in the end it will be like comparing a Ps2 to Xbox game. Thats about the difference in quality the Xbox 360 to the Ps3 will have.

'c mon are you totally sure, cause the xbox has a 700mhz processor and a far more advanced graphics card then the ps2, which has a 300mhz and a less advanced card. I mean x-box games look most of the time techincally far superior to the ps2. If there is going to be that much of a differance beween the 360 and ps3, then the ps3 will fail utterly, cause not only will it not look near as good as the 360 it's alos going to cost a lot more. It can't be true, sony would shoot themselfes in the foot, the ps3 has to come out on top.

 

[TCfromBN]

Yeah, I think the PS3 will pull ahead, and stay ahead. The capabilities of the Cell are higher than the 360's processors. It will just take time to get anywhere near using the Cell to the fullest extent.

 

[Cole]

'c mon are you totally sure, cause the xbox has a 700mhz processor and a far more advanced graphics card then the ps2, which has a 300mhz and a less advanced card. I mean x-box games look most of the time techincally far superior to the ps2. If there is going to be that much of a differance beween the 360 and ps3, then the ps3 will fail utterly, cause not only will it not look near as good as the 360 it's alos going to cost a lot more. It can't be true, sony would shoot themselfes in the foot, the ps3 has to come out on top.

Ok that was probably an overexaggeration but the point is: When it's all said and done and you kick in tons of Optimizations the Ps3 will be able to pull off better graphics and more effects.

However I still think that the overall performance of the Cell is somewhat higher than the 360s processors. By the way, what makes the 360s more powerful than the Cell, both run at 3.2 GHz and as far as I know both are 32 bit, I honestly don't know. As far as I knew, the Cell had 7 SPUs and 1 PPU, to me that sounds like more than 3 normal cores, mabe I'm wrong?

Actual Raw Performance wont be known until games come out for both. Cell has 1 Main CPU and 7 SPE's, the fact is that both processors work extremely different.
Xbox 360 has 3 Cpu's but all have alot more cache all are designed to each be extremely good.
The PS3 has 1 Main Cpu and 7 SPE's each that have an extremely small amount of Cache but can stream information efficently. This can limit what each SPE can do and how you have to code for it. Using one for AI would take alot more power on a SPE and be much harder to code for than on lets say it's main processor.

It isn't about Raw Power, the fact is that Cell and the 360's Processor work extremely different. Intel has a roadmap for a future processor like cell thats still like 5 years away, but it's version is much much more powerfull than Cell and has many more processors that work togeather much more efficeintly and utilize cache much better.

 

[TCfromBN]

Yeah, we're just gona have to wait and see. Theres really no way to compare them right now, although I've heard that the Cell can whip out about 2.18 Tflops, I'm not really sure what the 360 is all togheter.

 

[halflifeguy]

gives them more time to perfect it

 

[VictimOfScience]

The difference in power is just not going to be that big here folks. No matter what the specs look like on paper, its going to come down to what devs have the best grasp of what architecture. Who cares if you have all of that power if you don't know how to harness it properly? The devs are the ones who are going to make or break these systems.

 

[TCfromBN]

Yeah, its what I was saying before, early on the PS3 games may not be that great, just like the 360s early games, so I hear. I think that the PS3 will accel, the potential is there, like you said, its what the developers do. It will be a little while or atleast untill the octopiler is out, that the devs for the PS3 will have good material out. It is just a matter of time before devs can take full advantage of the Cell, it is THEN that the PS3 will out-do the 360, by whatever ammount.

 

[Greatgat]

First of all I don't know how you see PS3 as "nothing new" at all. Mabe you live under a rock and haven't heard of a CELL processor. Sounds pretty new to me.

Not sure if it's been pointed out yet, but remember the "Emotion Engine"? What the living hell did that do?

 

[Darkknighttt]

whats blu-ray