So I saw "The End of Suburbia"

Gray Fox said:
You still haven't posted your picture.
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Yes I have. On numerous occasions.

All in all, I think there's somewhat like five different pictures of me out there in the many "Post your picture" threads.

Anyway, what's that got to do with anything?
 
Oh, you found out.

Don't worry, you're in the first world. Just do some research, move to an appropriate city, and weather it out.

I'm much more screwed. Have to get Canadian citizenship somehow...
 
Cheomesh said:
I think you where the one who suggested it.

Well, I knew it would be like that, but damn...

So, there is no "alternative fuel". We're fukkered.
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:o

I don't remember recommending anything like that to somebody. I haven't seen it. Heh.
 
The Monkey said:
Yes I have. On numerous occasions.

All in all, I think there's somewhat like five different pictures of me out there in the many "Post your picture" threads.

Anyway, what's that got to do with anything?
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pm me
 
Did the documentary give any solutions to the problem ?

Or was it just - move to the country side, start farming and buy a electricity generator?
 
Move to the countryside? I thought it was avoid the suburbs and move into an urban area.
 
Country side supports farming and such agrocultural stuff. Pigs and shit.
Maybe put your electrical generator into a little river or whatever.

/end post-apocalyptic survival guide.
 
Electrical generator? Where are you going to get the fuel for that exactly? The suburbs are doomed because of the need for a car to get around. Public transport like trains will make the cities much more convenient.
 
noQ said:
Country side supports farming and such agrocultural stuff. Pigs and shit.
Maybe put your electrical generator into a little river or whatever.

/end post-apocalyptic survival guide.
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Yes, pigs and shit. Now we just need Tina Turner and all will be well.
 
Narvi said:
Electrical generator? Where are you going to get the fuel for that exactly? The suburbs are doomed because of the need for a car to get around. Public transport like trains will make the cities much more convenient.
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Yep yep.

Go and figure this had to happen NOW.

I don't want to sound selfish, but I thought living in suburbia would give me at least ONE normal, stable thing in my life, but **** NO.

I'm going to contemplate if I should "really" respect the older generations.
 
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Narvi said:
Electrical generator? Where are you going to get the fuel for that exactly? The suburbs are doomed because of the need for a car to get around. Public transport like trains will make the cities much more convenient.
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Trains are only any good for getting from one city to another, or from the suburbs to the city centre.
The tube is great for getting from West London to Central London, or West London to East London, but for getting from one area of London on the same side to another, often the only viable option is road transport. Even when there is a tube link, it's a laborious process that takes you completely out of your way - it takes me an hour and a half to get from NW London to NE London by tube, and 20-30 minutes by motorbike.
Since infrastructure is becoming more and more decentralised and cities less important, trains will only become less and less relevant. The only practical option for getting around in the near future economy will be the car (or motorbike). There's no getting around that.
 
/Looks at Japan's rail/road network. Hmm. What the world needs is more O-bahn.
 
I'm moving to a city if I can :|

I grew up in rural / simisubruban areas (not wealthy though...), and have only been to a city for any length of time twice that I can recall. Loved it, to be honest, though they where A LOT emptier than I had expected...
 
Well the HELL if I'm living in a rural region ever again. It sucks.
 
agreed, try somewhere that's around 10-25km from the local CBD. Locals and living conditions are much easier to handle if you live around the middle band from a city

Living inside the cbd is a big no no though :|
 
repiV said:
Trains are only any good for getting from one city to another, or from the suburbs to the city centre.
The tube is great for getting from West London to Central London, or West London to East London, but for getting from one area of London on the same side to another, often the only viable option is road transport. Even when there is a tube link, it's a laborious process that takes you completely out of your way - it takes me an hour and a half to get from NW London to NE London by tube, and 20-30 minutes by motorbike.
Since infrastructure is becoming more and more decentralised and cities less important, trains will only become less and less relevant. The only practical option for getting around in the near future economy will be the car (or motorbike). There's no getting around that.
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It depends on which city you're in, of course. This whole decentralization thing is retarded. All it's going to do is make the inevitable fuel crunch even more economically problematic.

You first world peeps should get in some public transport legislation somehow.
 
I'm in the country right now, well the begginings of it. A good 40 minute drive into town. Reason I live out here on weekends and other random occasions? Isolation, wonderful thing. Living in the suburbs is meh it's either the City or the middle of nowhere for me.
 
Narvi said:
It depends on which city you're in, of course. This whole decentralization thing is retarded. All it's going to do is make the inevitable fuel crunch even more economically problematic.

You first world peeps should get in some public transport legislation somehow.
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There aren't really any cities more well-served by public transport than London. Sure, it's unreliable and crap - but the coverage is as good as it gets.
Decentralisation is inevitable with the digital age - people travel to city centres to meet and do business, but they don't really need to anymore. I have a virtual office in my bedroom, and my boss whom I've never met lives 150 miles away. It works brilliantly and I get paid shitloads more because it costs less to employ me. I don't have to spend time or money on commuting and I can live anywhere in a similar timezone and still do the job.
It's a dream come true from a recruitment perspective - they can employ anyone, anywhere - not just in the local area. It's a much more competitive way of doing business, and it gives employees freedom and flexibility in a way we've never seen before.
 
repiV said:
There aren't really any cities more well-served by public transport than London. Sure, it's unreliable and crap - but the coverage is as good as it gets.
Decentralisation is inevitable with the digital age - people travel to city centres to meet and do business, but they don't really need to anymore. I have a virtual office in my bedroom, and my boss whom I've never met lives 150 miles away. It works brilliantly and I get paid shitloads more because it costs less to employ me. I don't have to spend time or money on commuting and I can live anywhere in a similar timezone and still do the job.
It's a dream come true from a recruitment perspective - they can employ anyone, anywhere - not just in the local area. It's a much more competitive way of doing business, and it gives employees freedom and flexibility in a way we've never seen before.
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I've always thought the "cottage industry" would return due to computers...supprised it's not more common already.
 
Cheomesh said:
I've always thought the "cottage industry" would return due to computers...supprised it's not more common already.
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So am I...it's an extremely efficient way of doing business. I suppose people are hesitant to run companies in this fashion because they have very little control or oversight of their employees compared to a traditional business model, and bosses generally like to have their nose in everything.
I've never been more satisfied with my work - always you've had to make the choice between well-paying, freedom-destroying, misery-inducing job or a poorly paying job which lets you keep your life and your freedom.
I'm earning so much money now I could work one day a week and I'd still be richer than I've ever been before, AND I have the flexibility to do that if I so choose. It's completely amazing. I still can't believe my good fortune.
 
repiV said:
So am I...it's an extremely efficient way of doing business. I suppose people are hesitant to run companies in this fashion because they have very little control or oversight of their employees compared to a traditional business model, and bosses generally like to have their nose in everything.
I've never been more satisfied with my work - always you've had to make the choice between well-paying, freedom-destroying, misery-inducing job or a poorly paying job which lets you keep your life and your freedom.
I'm earning so much money now I could work one day a week and I'd still be richer than I've ever been before, AND I have the flexibility to do that if I so choose. It's completely amazing. I still can't believe my good fortune.
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Seriously. The old industrial style way of things is done. It was good, for a time, but now it's just not worth it.

I am often one to think that while we have more raw knowledge now, our ancestors where much the wiser.
 
Cheomesh said:
Seriously. The old industrial style way of things is done. It was good, for a time, but now it's just not worth it.

I am often one to think that while we have more raw knowledge now, our ancestors where much the wiser.
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Funnily enough, I was reading an article yesterday about the industrial revolution and the cultural changes it brought - suddenly, efficiency and wealth and material things became more important than people or human wellbeing.
And that attitude served us very, very well at the time - it solved our main problems of starvation and disease and short life expectancies and such. The problem is that now that same attitude is causing us problems - people spend their entire lives chasing wealth at the expense of everything else in their lives, and as a result most of us are eternally unhappy, a fifth of us are lonely at any given time and depression is a serious issue.
I think cultural attitudes are changing though, slowly - "work-life balance" and "job satisfaction" are industry buzzwords and politicians are talking about helping people to live happier lives, rather than merely wealthier lives.

I used to work ridiculous hours under insane pressure at a constant lightning pace with not even so much as a lunch break most days, for the promise of wealth and success. But really all it brought me was misery and I was a slave to my job. Happiness, I discovered, comes from freedom - freedom to do as you choose and freedom from constraints - often constraints that we place upon ourselves. Such as being trapped by your own lifestyle choices.
That's for chumps. I'm going to save 90% of the money I'm earning now and a few years down the line, I'll have the freedom to be able to do whatever the hell I want without obligation to anybody. To squander the money would solve nothing.
A year ago I would have squandered it all on useless junk.
 
Narvi said:
Electrical generator? Where are you going to get the fuel for that exactly?
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Flowing water in a river? Sure it needs planning, but it's doable. And also solar power if possible, maybe even a wind electrical generator. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but those options are good for self-sustaining systems if they are possible to utilize.
 
noQ said:
Flowing water in a river? Sure it needs planning, but it's doable. And also solar power if possible, maybe even a wind electrical generator. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but those options are good for self-sustaining systems if they are possible to utilize.
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We are never not going to be able to produce electricity, but what we aren't remotely going to be able to produce enough electricity to meet our present levels of energy consumption, let alone replace our fossil fuel consumption as well. Acquire a copy of the documentary and you'll see the nature of the problem facing humanity in the long term.
 
Kadayi Polokov said:
Acquire a copy of the documentary and you'll see the nature of the problem facing humanity in the long term.
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And it does in fact impact most of humanity. My country grows the worlds grain supply.

And I love bread :<
 
Kadayi Polokov said:
We are never not going to be able to produce electricity, but what we aren't remotely going to be able to produce enough electricity to meet our present levels of energy consumption, let alone replace our fossil fuel consumption as well. Acquire a copy of the documentary and you'll see the nature of the problem facing humanity in the long term.
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I was more talking about sustaining a few people in the country side, them handling and utilizing this electricity.
I was just trying to be creative for a few people. They wouldn't get to use as much as electricity as they currently use, but it could help run some necessary things like some refrigerators and lights and stuff.
I know it doesn't solve problems for the whole humankind.
Any torrents for the documentary? PM
 
There goes my idea of building my own house :|

It was gonna be cool, too.
 
noQ said:
I was more talking about sustaining a few people in the country side, them handling and utilizing this electricity.
I was just trying to be creative for a few people. They wouldn't get to use as much as electricity as they currently use, but it could help run some necessary things like some refrigerators and lights and stuff.
I know it doesn't solve problems for the whole humankind.
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Check your PMs :O
 
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