The Combine Empire vs Skynet

[Eejit]

I thought militaries had access to EMP shielded electronics for their own equipment these days.

ID4, when not only a human pilot understand and master an alien fighter ship's flying controls but also a human engineer infects the whole alien battlenet with a virus using, IIRC, a Mac notebook.

Yes, a plot point that was universally derided should be taken as a shining example of how things should work.

 

[Omnomnick]

Acording to a democracy vote, the combine have won

 

[Rashak]

I think a better question is "Combine, or Protoss?" Both warp stuff in, and use energy-ball weapons, even if the combine's are more powerful, and the protoss have energy sheilds.

 

[Omnomnick]

The combine have an empire spanning multiple universes, I think thats enough to destroy a few little shields

 

[pistolero!]

The combine have an empire spanning multiple universes

Source? We know almost nothing about them, we haven't even seen them yet.

 

[Druckles]

Source? We know almost nothing about them, we haven't even seen them yet.

We can assume this from vague references. The combine have technology from different cultures, apparently, and we know that they've enslaved the Vortigaunts before.

Plus their portals between universes (that's so wrong) imply that they've been to others, so they've probably invaded them, too.

 

[Rashak]

but the protosses psionics as their base for technology, the closest thing that I have seen the combine with is what the advisors use, and that is just looks like the dark archon's maelstrom ability, which would be futile against those who are so in tune with psionics that they could take control of the advisors with ease, and the Nihilanth to the best of my knowledge is the only thing comes anywhere close to having the psionic powers that the protoss has, they have even come close to defeating. Now Imagine a race where every member is at that level, or stronger. In theory the combine wouldn't stand a chance, but then again the zerg forced them from their home world, but that was because of shear numbers, not by any real technological advantages, (no offense to the zerg users out there, but by every thing that I have read about the zerg, they just can take hits, and replace their fallen quickly.) evolutional maybe, but not technological.
This is all "to the best of my knowledge" so if there any mistakes feel free to correct me, but please don't be an ass about it.

 

[phishey]

they are showing war of the worlds at the moment in munich, so i thought about these aliens.

what aboout a tripod vs strider comparison? who would you fight preferably, and why?

 

[z0mbin3]

Tripod wins. It's much bigger and has alot more fire power. I would fight the Strider it's easyer.

 

[McCoy]

Skynet=Not combine, therefore Combine win.

 

[Rashak]

Tripod wins. It's much bigger and has alot more fire power. I would fight the Strider it's easyer.

no the colossus would!
see protoss section of the starcraft2 site.

 

[FrostXian]

no the colossus would!
see protoss section of the starcraft2 site.

Tripods are stronger, I think. They have black smoke.

 

[z0mbin3]

Tripods are stronger, I think. They have black smoke.

I thoght he ment the Tripods form the Tom Cruise War of the Worlds. Even if those had the poison smoke they didn't use it. (from what I remember)

 

[Eejit]

I don't know, depends how effective the Heat Rays would be against Synths. I don't know their exact thermal tolerances

 

[Narvi]

I should remind you that original WotW tripods could be taken out by pre-WW1 artillery.

 

[Druckles]

I should remind you that original WotW tripods could be taken out by pre-WW1 artillery.

And the common cold.

 

[Houndini]

why does everyone think combine will win, think about it

combine - combine aparently have a empire spanning many universes and in the game what we can see are basic human weapons and some other flashy stuff.

but Sky-ney are robots that learn, we all know that they cant BE KILLED by HUMAN weapons (not sure about alien, but doubt it) they can take heaps of different forms and just learn fom there mistakes (thats if they ever make any)

gordon freeman killed like how many combine and distroyed so much on his own???

sky-net robots would be like tripple a gordon.

 

[Druckles]

Dude, Skynet have robots. The combine have the best of both - flesh and machine. They have striders which can think, with big blue beams and the like. So a terminator could take out several combine soldiers, but then an orb from the AR2 could take out several terminators.

The technology of the combine isn't primitive.

 

[Houndini]

then again, sky-net can Controle any machines. they have there own fighting things too.. forgot what its called (i havn't seen rise of the machines in a while) but yeah, if you've watched rise of the machines you will know what im talking about.

 

[ríomhaire]

I should remind you that original WotW tripods could be taken out by pre-WW1 artillery.

So could a strider.

 

[Narvi]

So could a strider.

Not with just that one shot that took the tripod down in the book.

And the AR-2 orbs would bounce off Terminators, since they can't seem to disintegrate metal objects that well. All they do to desks and such are bounce them around.

 

[z0mbin3]

Not with just that one shot that took the tripod down in the book.

And the AR-2 orbs would bounce off Terminators, since they can't seem to disintegrate metal objects that well. All they do to desks and such are bounce them around.

I was about to say that.

A Hunter Killer coulde wipe out a pack of Gunships in a snap. Hell a T-800 could hammer toss a Hunter like a ragdoll. But the Strider does stand a very good chance. That anti-matter cannon can do so much damage.

 

[Narvi]

I was about to say that.

A Hunter Killer coulde wipe out a pack of Gunships in a snap. Hell a T-800 could hammer toss a Hunter like a ragdoll. But the Strider does stand a very good chance. That anti-matter cannon can do so much damage.

Eh? The flying ones couldn't take on a pack of gunships. Especially with the suppression devices on their bellies. And Hunters aren't exactly lame opponents. They would be a good match for a T-800, even with that silly "organics = teh betterz idea".

 

[Rashak]

then again, sky-net can Controle any machines. they have there own fighting things too.. forgot what its called (i havn't seen rise of the machines in a while) but yeah, if you've watched rise of the machines you will know what im talking about.

But almost all of the Combine's machines are half-organic, their organic parts would override Sky-Net's take over methods. Besides we haven't seen much of the Sky-Net's war tactics, we only really see them use assassins (the likes of which are sloppy) and from what I've seen, they just have their warriors charge their target until they kill it or they run out of machines. Not to mention that we have fought the Combine for three games, we could safely say that there isn't much unknown about the way they fight, and for the most part they are pretty clever, if they weren't some stupid AI they probably wouldn't have a problem with taking out a rogue computer system, because all they would need to do is create a large enough EMP, to take out all the computers on the planet.

 

[Nibwoddle]

Not with just that one shot that took the tripod down in the book.

And the AR-2 orbs would bounce off Terminators, since they can't seem to disintegrate metal objects that well. All they do to desks and such are bounce them around.

They vaporize Combine hybrids, and they contain metal. Also, a pulse rifle will vaporise d0G in Garry's Mod, and it won't do so to much else. The only reason Desks and the like aren't vaporised are the fact that it would be a waste of ammo and not necessary in-game.

Let's just go through the list of known Combine forces, shall we?
City Scanners
Claw Scanners
Pulse Turrets
Manhacks
Stalkers
Metrocops
Combine Soldiers
Prison Guards
Combine Assassin
Combine Elite
Combine Sniper
Mortar Synths
Hunter Synths
Crab Synths
Pod Carrier Synths
Dropship Synths
Gunship Synths
Hunter-Choppers
Strider Synths
Advisors

...And there are likely many more unknown. Now, a huge, interdimensional army of those stand more than a chance against a force of highly intelligent robots.

 

[Druckles]

They vaporize Combine hybrids, and they contain metal. Also, a pulse rifle will vaporise d0G in Garry's Mod, and it won't do so to much else. The only reason Desks and the like aren't vaporised are the fact that it would be a waste of ammo and not necessary in-game.

I considered this as a response, but the metal implants aren't very substantial, and there is far more flesh in a Combine soldier than in a T-800 who is flesh on metal rather than metal on flesh.

And one of the advantages that Skynet has is there's all hooked together like the Borg. Makes for one hell of a foe.

 

[Narvi]

I considered this as a response, but the metal implants aren't very substantial, and there is far more flesh in a Combine soldier than in a T-800 who is flesh on metal rather than metal on flesh.

And one of the advantages that Skynet has is there's all hooked together like the Borg. Makes for one hell of a foe.

I think the disintegration has something to do with mass/density, really. It obviously isn't some retarded "lol organix" disintegration effect, or guns and such wouldn't go bzzzzzzzzzzzt and disappear.

From what we've seen though, if you're organic it's much more likely that you'll fizz and die. This isn't universal, it bounces off antlion guards and the like, though for some reason it just explodes against striders. (My Fan Wank to "explain" that is that the orb reacts with their power cores or something.)

We can handwave smaller objects not fizzing out as them just bouncing away due to energy transfer before the disintegration effect occurs. This explains why scanners and such just go boom.

I'm not sure what terminator exoskeletons mass at, but the orb should still thrown them around a bit, since they can't be as heavy as a Myrmidont or they'd sink into the ground. Heh, they're completely metallic HEV suits, after all. None of that organic crap.

And I don't think that all the HKs are connected to a central hub... that's just asking for the connection to be jammed. Terminator brains allow for autonomous units, after all.

 

[Druckles]

When I'm talking about the flesh and organics of the combine, I'm not necessarily excluding all metal, I'm just assuming that flesh is much less dense than T-800's exoskeleton which seems to me to be an extremely dense alloy of some sort.

But then I'm not even sure if you can actually explain the workings of the orbs at all :/

 

[Llama]

It's most likely something to do with dark energy.

but Sky-ney are robots that learn, we all know that they cant BE KILLED by HUMAN weapons (not sure about alien, but doubt it) they can take heaps of different forms and just learn fom there mistakes (thats if they ever make any)

That isn't true. Machines like the T-800 are extremely durable, but they arn't just 'invunerable' when it comes to firepower. The standard shot from an AR2 is a lot more powerful than a shot from a PDW like an MP7.
At the end of the day, if the Skynet troops are such a threat it's no problem, because the COmbine will just send more powerful troops. Strength on a troop-by-troop basis isn't a problem if you can make things 10x as powerful in massive amounts.

 

[z0mbin3]

They vaporize Combine hybrids, and they contain metal. Also, a pulse rifle will vaporise d0G in Garry's Mod, and it won't do so to much else. The only reason Desks and the like aren't vaporised are the fact that it would be a waste of ammo and not necessary in-game.

Let's just go through the list of known Combine forces, shall we?
City Scanners
Claw Scanners
Pulse Turrets
Manhacks
Stalkers
Metrocops
Combine Soldiers
Prison Guards
Combine Assassin
Combine Elite
Combine Sniper
Mortar Synths
Hunter Synths
Crab Synths
Pod Carrier Synths
Dropship Synths
Gunship Synths
Hunter-Choppers
Strider Synths
Advisors

...And there are likely many more unknown. Now, a huge, interdimensional army of those stand more than a chance against a force of highly intelligent robots.

uh? Most on that list don't really stand any chance in battle with the machines.


City Scanners: pwnd
Claw Scanners: pwnd
Pulse Turrets: pwnd
Manhacks: epicly uber pwnd
Stalkers: pwnd
Metrocops: kinda they are humans. and humans arnt doing that bad.
Combine Soldiers: same ^
Prison Guards: The Prison Gaurds are Combine Soldiers.
Combine Assassin: kinda pwnd
Combine Elite: Same as Combine soldier just use's AR2 energy cores.
Combine Sniper: Same as Combine Soldier just use's sniper rifle.
Mortar Synths: Yeah theyd be good aganst Skynet
Hunter Synths: Like I said. Ragdolled. may take out a few T's
Crab Synths: We don't know much about there combat abbilitys so I can't judge.
Pod Carrier Synths: so epicly uber pwnd it's no even funny!
Dropship Synths: pwnd
Gunship Synths: kinda stands a good chance.
Hunter-Choppers: yeah prehaps.
Strider Synths: very good chance in battle.
Advisors: They got there ass's kicked be dog. A machine. pwnd


All in all your list fail's. there's a few good fighter but other then that.

 

[Eejit]

Strider Synths: very good chance in battle.
Advisors: They got there ass's kicked be dog. A machine. pwnd

Does not compute.

 

[z0mbin3]

Striders have long range and very damaging weapons. Advisors don't. If that doesn't compute take a sledge hammer to your K-pro and get a computer from this century.

 

[Eejit]

Stop being obtuse. Your poor logic is:
Dog Beats Advisors.
Advisors suck.
Striders rock.

When it should go like:
Dog Beats Advisors.
Dog Beats Striders.
Striders and Advisors both [rock/suck].

 

[Druckles]

Plus the fact that Dog took them by surprise. There may be some limit to their telepathic powers which stopped them fighting back.

 

[Nibwoddle]

Well, I do believe the Combine Sniper would be quite effective. They don't use a rifle, they've got a mounted turret. And let's not forget the extremely powerful Autogun. But it needs to be more protected from the back.

Dog did take the Advisors by surprise, and the same with the Strider. And I'm quite sure that the Skynet robots don't come close to Dog's jumping ability.

I'll just add to my list some others which I forgot.

City Scanners
Claw Scanners
Pulse Turrets
Manhacks
Stalkers
Metrocops
Combine Soldiers
Prison Guards
Vortigaunt Slaves (they could be forced to battle, I guess)
Combine Assassin
Combine Elite
Combine Sniper
Mortar Synths
Hunter Synths
Crab Synths
Pod Carrier Synths
Cobine APCs
Dropship Synths
Headcrab Rockets
Gunship Synths
Hunter-Choppers
Autoguns
Strider Synths
Advisors

 

[z0mbin3]

85% of that list has sucky fighters! Stop bringing it up!

 

[Druckles]

85% of that list has sucky fighters! Stop bringing it up!

"sucky fighters"?

What, pray, defines a "sucky fighter"? Personally I would have assumed the only "sucky fighter" in the Half-Life universe to have been Barnacles.

If you're referring to the skill level of each of those members of the Combine's army, I think your statistics are a bit off. 85% implies a majority. Unfortunately I think the only item in that list that a regular human being could over come is a Scanner. Most of that list there is far superior to the technology that we saw in Terminator III when Skynet was activated.

And what's wrong with providing us with a list of the Combine forces?

 

[Gmodtrash]

The Combine would kick Skynet's robotic asses right off!

If some gay actor guy is able to get rid of Skynet along with a bunch of other actors then how the hell are Skynet supposed to bring down a single strider, let alone the ENTIREcombine empire!

 

[Barnz]

Fiction wars is serious business.

 

[Druckles]

If some gay actor guy is able to get rid of Skynet along with a bunch of other actors then how the hell are Skynet supposed to bring down a single strider, let alone the ENTIREcombine empire!

Reasons to Refute Your Logic

1. Gordon Freeman, a "gay scientist guy" was able to take on a whole citadel filled to the brim with Combine arsenal and troops. How the hell are the Combine supposed to bring down a single T800, let alone the entirity of Skynet?
2. This "gay actor guy" took down a robot which was programmed to be destroyed when it was time in the movie for it to be destroyed. Most likely, half of the time, he was fighting against green screen and the like. Similarly, he actually took down a "gay actor lady".
3. This is entirely fictional.
4. You are mixing the film's fiction with the Behind The Scenes effects. A mistake which may cost you your life when someone asks you "Do you have any moral objections to my master plan?" and you go "oh, it's ok, this trap door is fake you're a gay actor lol".
5. Your logic is wrong.
6. You are wrong.