Theres a Bush in Europe.

[Nofuture]

My point is this trip is worthless, and a waste of time!

Yes, Bush had better stayed at home and didn´t come to Europe.
A lot of people dislike him very much. Of course there will be some demos against Bush´s policy during his visit in Germany. Not welcom, Mr. Bush. You are waisting our precious time!
I don´t see any reason that Europeans should welcom a criminal and a liar. This isn´t only my opion. This is opion of really many Germans. What the leaders do, is one thing, but how the nation thinks about it, it´s different.

 

[Sprafa]

Nofuture, prepare for ze flamez.

 

[kirovman]

If USA don't side with the EU, China will side with them instead. Europe really wants to get friendly with China, more and more, including lifting arms embargos.
Something to think about.

 

[jondy]

Im not ultra conservative, im bashing the fanatic liberalism that thrives in europe. And what europe has become is hardly a good thing.

Fanatic Liberalism?

You live in Europe, buddy?

No?

 

[CREMATOR666]

I think we should stop bashing each other and bash Bush instead

 

[Nofuture]

What an effort and costs because of Bush :

The Second Coming of Bush


"For the city hosting Bush -- Mainz, a city of 200,000 residents located on the Rhine River in Western Germany -- however the visit is roughly akin to the imposition of martial law. Here, a list of some of the security precautions being taken by US security personnel and by the city of Mainz as it prepares to host Bush and his entourage of 1,000:

* Four major highways on the outskirts of the city will be closed in both directions from 7 a.m. to 11 a.m. and again from 3 p.m. to 7 p.m.

* Local hospitals have already been inspected by a dozen members of Bush's security detail. The university clinic has been declared off-limits to "normal patients" during Bush's visit (except for the emergency room) and is reserved for the president should something happen to him.

* All schools in Mainz and three schools in the nearby town of Wiesbaden will be closed on Wednesday of next week -- the day of Bush's visit -- because of disrupted transportation and because many of them are located in the closed-off center of Mainz.

* A number of Mainz businesses will remain closed and many others will operate with only a skeleton crew due to difficulties most employees will have getting to work.

* Manhole covers in the city center are being welded shut to eliminate hiding places for bombs. Other potential dangers, such as cars, mailboxes, flower pots and garbage cans are being removed.

* For days, jumbo jets have been landing in the region and unloading armored limousines, the President's helicopter Marine One, and vast amounts of communications equipment for the creation of sound and bug-proof radio rooms.

* Residents in the city center are forbidden to go out onto their balconies during Bush's visit and some 1,200 Mainz residents who live near the palace where Bush and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder are to meet will only be allowed to enter their apartments after having undergone security checks. Strategically important balconies, roofs and windows will be manned by American snipers.

* Shipping on the Rhine will be halted during the brief boat trip on the river to be taken by Bush."

 

[Absinthe]

You're right. This trip is a waste of time. I don't see why anybody should be bitched to deal with a jerk like Bush.

 

[CptStern]

he's trying to get europeans to help out in iraq ..I say "you broke it, YOU fix it"

 

[No Limit]

Europe wants to stay out of iraq war because of vested interested (oops, oil for food) in iraq.

Anyone catch the Simpsons last night where Marge asked reverand Lovejoy where in the bible it said that gays couldn't marry? Lovejoy just started ringing the bell to avoid listening to the facts. This is exactly what conservatives, including conservatives on this board, are doing. I pointed out about a thousand times now, on this board alone, how that talking point he used is false; yet, they continue to bring this up almost every time Europe and Iraq is mentioned no matter how many times you point out to them this is a lie. So again, this is a total lie. The US government and the UK had just as many dirty hands in the oil for food scandal as anyone else.

 

[mortiz]

Please, Bush and his administration knew the European intelligence on Iraq was shakey at best but they still used it to go full steam ahead into a war.

You would have thought that if a war was at stake with a possible death toll in the millions Bush and his administration would have hunted out some better intelligence. To try and shift the blame onto Europe for the Iraq war makes you as ignorant as Bush and his cronies.

The fact is most Europeans know more about the American foreign policy than most of the people in your own country do. Probably because if America screw up with it we're the ones that have to suffer.

Plus Russia actually wants to become more European due to the extra market and trade oppertunities that come along with it, so I'm not sure what you mean by "politically senile".

Europe still has power on the political scene, just not in the war making area which is good imho.

 

[CptStern]

"For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on."

Paul Wolfowitz May 28, 2003



that pretty much settles that

 

[Tr0n]

ignorant hilbilly, bible ****ers still remain ignorant.

Whoa...hold on there boy.

I resent that remark.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Can the flames people.

 

[The Monkey]

Can the flames people.

Sure...but why don't you join the discussion. Or are you too good for that?

Post Script: 10000 posts

 

[No Limit]

Sure...but why don't you join the discussion. Or are you too good for that?

Post Script: 10000 posts

Maybe you didn't read "HalfLife2.net Staff" or "Super Moderator" under his name.

 

[GhostFox]

People though Bush was wasting his time in Europe, and I wondered why. Now reading this thread, I understand it. Ignorance is bliss, right guys?

 

[The Monkey]

Maybe you didn't read "HalfLife2.net Staff" or "Super Moderator" under his name.

I know, but he can still join the discussion, can't he?

both.

We got nothing to fear of China, save for the competition. I belive that very soon, the young people of China have had enough, and the oppressors of China will fall, and a democracy will rise.

 

[CptStern]

Ignorance is bliss, right guys?

so says the "canadian" with "death to the cbc" in his location :upstare: ..would you like to explain this?

"we think it was worth it" - Madeline Albright







Ignorance is bliss, right?

 

[GhostFox]

Stern, are you still hung up over the fact that people all over Canada hate the CBC? The NP had an entire page devoted to why the CBC needs to go on Sat. Just becuase you suport it, doesn't mean everyone in Canada does. You know that, right?

 

[CptStern]

Stern, are you still hung up over the fact that people all over Canada hate the CBC? The NP had an entire page devoted to why the CBC needs to go on Sat. Just becuase you suport it, doesn't mean everyone in Canada does. You know that, right?

I agree ...but then again I dont really believe you're canadian so it's doesnt mean jack. Now get back on topic and answer my question

 

[KoreBolteR]

The only reason some European countries didnt support the war is because they hated america anyway (jealous).

and the fact that some were doing dodgy deals with saddam...

 

[CptStern]

who exactly are they jealous of? some european countries have a higher standard of living than the US ..so I dont see how they could be jealous

 

[GhostFox]

I think the answer is self-evident. People will see what they want to see, no matter the truth. Bush's trip to Europe is worthless because it is based on the idea of mending fences. If the people on this board represent any signifigant percentage of Europe, that will make that goal impossible. It is clear that they would hate Bush because they feel it is their liberal duty, regardless of what the facts may be. It's clear that Bush's actions are immaterial. This has turned into an oppertunity for Liberals to feel superior, and nothing Bush can do/not do will change that. It reminds me a bit of when the ultra-conservatives were hammering Clinton for bopping Monica. The man and his actions were meaningless. It was just an excuse to pretend that they were better.

 

[The Monkey]

The only reason some European countries didnt support the war is because they hated america anyway (jealous).

and the fact that some were doing dodgy deals with saddam...

No, the reason that some European countries didn't suppost the war is beacause they didn't want to see thousands of people dead, and that the war wouldn't help the Iraqi people in any way. And for the last time, we are not jealous of Europe, why should we be? *takes a quick glance at this list*.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Nobody thinks Europe matters, except for Europeans. [...] Europe is nothing more than a yes man for America and the other global players.

Don't you think it's pretty bad that we have to base our nations intelligence mainly on other countries intelligence?

Wouldnt you think it would be bad [if] we didnt listen to them and he nuked the shit out of some city?

I guess Europe only matters when it supports the war in Iraq, and their alleged yes-manship is reprehensible only until 'yes' is what you'd like to hear.
That's probably the 'common ground':

[The leadership of europe's] own arrogance wont permit them to find common ground with the US

Again, a contradiction: How is it that you percieve Europe as a both the blind lackey and arrogant opponent simultaneously?

Could it be that they have presented a common ground? One to which you've refused to step? Maybe the solution is to step off the pedestal and agree with europe, instead of sitting on that lofty perch and waiting for them to agree with you.

Oh, but no. It's their arrogance that is preventing them from seeing the true light or your ways.
Europe is full of liberals who are both too weak and too strong, so different that they can't possibly be right.

It's only common ground when it's your playing field to level.
If they oppose you, it's arrogance.
Yet when when you oppose them, it's 'father knows best.'
Caring for a senile old man who doesn't know any better, to borrow a metaphor. Eternally patient with benevolence unappreciated, trying to find 'common ground' with these countries even if they're hopelessly inferior, it's unfathomable that America could be in the wrong.

So europe is irrelevant to you, and thus to the world. "Nobody thinks Europe matters." They don't agree with Everyone, and Everyone is always correct.

 

[GhostFox]

And for the last time, we are not jealous of Europe, why should we be? *takes a quick glance at this list.

I assume you mean the US, and whether or not should be is immaterial to whether or not people are. Canada is almost the same country as the US, but you have a hard time walking down the street and finding someone without a massive infeiority complex towards the US. Bring it up and look at the vehement deniers and it is obvious how widespread it is. Should Canada feel jealous/inferior to the US? Nope. Do that mean we don't? Not at all. It is so bad that the current trend in Canada is to try to do the oppisite of the US, simply so Canadians can stand up and say "We are different then the US, this proves it and validates me as a Canadian". It is silly beyond belief. I swear that if Kerry had won, Martin would have been kicked out by now and Harper would be PM, just so we could be different then the US.


Not all feelings are rational.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

The only reason some European countries didnt support the war is because they hated america anyway (jealous).

I seem to remember you saying jealousy is also the sole motive behind Al-Qaeda's jihad against america, 9/11, and terrorism in general.
The Iraq insurgency, I suppose, must only be jealous of America as well.

Q: Are there any problems that aren't caused by America being too AWESOME for the rest of the world to handle?
They're all just utterly perplexed by the radiant light that cascades from your freedom, lashing out in confusion like they're under a spell from Final Fantasy, eh?

I think the answer is self-evident. People will see what they want to see, no matter the truth.

Sadly, it's true.

 

[KoreBolteR]

who exactly are they jealous of? some european countries have a higher standard of living than the US ..so I dont see how they could be jealous

http://www.nirajweb.net/mt/niraj/archives/000808.html

I think the answer is self-evident. People will see what they want to see, no matter the truth. Bush's trip to Europe is worthless because it is based on the idea of mending fences. If the people on this board represent any signifigant percentage of Europe, that will make that goal impossible. It is clear that they would hate Bush because they feel it is their liberal duty, regardless of what the facts may be. It's clear that Bush's actions are immaterial. This has turned into an oppertunity for Liberals to feel superior, and nothing Bush can do/not do will change that. It reminds me a bit of when the ultra-conservatives were hammering Clinton for bopping Monica. The man and his actions were meaningless. It was just an excuse to pretend that they were better.

indeed. whatever the media dishes out, the people swallow it like theyre addicted.

 

[Da Funkey Gibbon]

I don't think Europe is irrelevent, though I agree that we have stopped being the colonial masters of the world and are now moving rapidly down the food chain, though we are going to be big in the picture for a very long time yet, especially if the "federal europe" thing happans and it does look possible.

Individual european states don't have the power to police the world any more and can't stand up to big states like America or China, if that's what you mean, but thats been true since 1945. Though as I said a "nation called europe" could change that.

 

[CptStern]

http://www.nirajweb.net/mt/niraj/archives/000808.html

ummm a blog is not "evidence" ...I can write a blog, so can you ...heck so can everyone else here ..it's his personal experience nothing else

 

[KoreBolteR]

ummm a blog is not "evidence" ...I can write a blog, so can you ...heck so can everyone else here ..it's his personal experience nothing else

you post your 'evidence' all the time, well hey! even in french at times :naughty:

i hated posting personal and news channel opinions, cos its all biased intended to make people change they're opinions. but its the only thing to do against people who already do it. if you get me.

 

[CptStern]

you post your 'evidence' all the time, well hey! even in french at times :naughty:

yes but my "evidence" can be sourced ...your evidence presents no facts, no stats, no figures, no nothing ...just an opinion

 

[KoreBolteR]

yes but my "evidence" can be sourced ...your evidence presents no facts, no stats, no figures, no nothing ...just an opinion

do you know all those stats, facts and figures are all a media source opinion. i cant believe were discussing this again.

we will never know the excact truth with false information flowing around the web, as a backup for anti-bush and pro-bush supporters.

and yes, theres is more 'evidence' for anti-bush supporters , about 999:1, which really gets on my nerves. should be neutral.

 

[GhostFox]

Stern, I am not saying that every European is driven crazy with jealousy of the US, but even you have to admit that there is always a certain amount of jealousy and resentment by the world towards the superpower(s). France and England fought countless wars because of it. Going back to Rome there are writings of the derersion other nations felt for Rome, simply becuase they knew that Rome was bigger and stronger then them.

People love to go to extremes on this. Jealousy did not cause 9/11, but at the same time I think it is reasonable to say that many people in many nations feel some amount of envy for the US, at least subconsciously. The US is like the 12 yr old math genius in your AP Calc class. You kind of resent him and envy him at the same time.

 

[CptStern]

do you know all those stats, facts and figures are all a media source opinion. i cant believe were discussing this again.

we will never know the excact truth with false information flowing around the web, as a backup for anti-bush and pro-bush supporters.

okay let's just throw out all journalism, let's throw out all research, let's get rid of every single piece of concrete evidence because according to you every media source is "an opinion". It was the opinion of journalists world wide that a Tsunami killed over 200,000 people ..but it's the "media" it MUST be a lie :upstare:

 

[jondy]

you have to admit that there is always a certain amount of jealousy and resentment by the world towards the superpower(s).

Actually, over here, it's pretty trendy to hate you guys right now, so unless you happen to be European, you should probably pack the whole 'jealous' train of thought in

 

[No Limit]

okay let's just throw out all journalism, let's throw out all research, let's get rid of every single piece of concrete evidence because according to you every media source is "an opinion". It was the opinion of journalists world wide that a Tsunami killed over 200,000 people ..but it's the "media" it MUST be a lie :upstare:

Yep, and Bush never invaded Iraq. Oh wait, what am I talking about, Bush isn't even the president; the media simply wants you believe he is.

 

[CptStern]

I'm starting to think you're not really real but a "media conspiracy", No Limit :E

 

[Pesmerga]

Err, I strongly doubt Americans *hate* Europeans, or vice versa. It's mostly just a fued caused by too much time on their hands.

 

[Nofuture]

People love to go to extremes on this. Jealousy did not cause 9/11, but at the same time I think it is reasonable to say that many people in many nations feel some amount of envy for the US, at least subconsciously. The US is like the 12 yr old math genius in your AP Calc class. You kind of resent him and envy him at the same time.

Where do you get such ideas?? Assumptions, with no evidense so far.
Jealousy and envy for US??