Theres a Bush in Europe.

[K e r b e r o s]

What is wrong with you?

So, you quote what I mentioned to you, then add this coy little statement below. Whats wrong with me? Your not answering my questions silly!

 

[Tr0n]

im not here to argue.. please its childish
if you want to argue, fine. but im not. :|

Oh please. :dozey:

Thats all you guys ever do in this forum lately.

Also you never answered by question...a real answer to what?

 

[Absinthe]

im not here to argue.. please its childish
if you want to argue, fine. but im not. :|

I am going to rip out my BRAINSSSSSSSS RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

 

[KoreBolteR]

Oh please. :dozey:

Thats all you guys ever do in this forum lately.

w00t?

this forum has no such thing, we go around skipping and give roses to eachother, we all agree to one thing. :rolling: :E

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Ooo! Ooo! Give your brains to me! I want some smart spiffy logic in future argueme -- oh wait. You already ripped your brain out.

If you did that ... you'd have no motor functions to send requests to your mouth, to word to me; "Hear, take it!" or "No, its mine damnit".

Awe. I really wanted it.

 

[mortiz]

im not here to argue..

Dude, you've been arguing for the last four pages.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Dude, you've been arguing for the last four pages.

aww cmon, its "discussing"

 

[Absinthe]

Ooo! Ooo! Give your brains to me! I want some smart spiffy logic in future argueme -- oh wait. You already ripped your brain out.

If you did that ... you'd have no motor functions to send requests to your mouth, to word to me; "Hear, take it!" or "No, its mine damnit".

Awe. I really wanted it.

Actually, I don't think I was really needing it. Now I've got this cool head cavity that lets me carry beer around!

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Actually, I don't think I was really needing it. Now I've got this cool head cavity that lets me carry beer around!

Hey, now you'll be hearing about Nun Sacks!

 

[Gray Fox]

By GhostFox:

Do I think the US is a model for freedom and democracy in the world? I do. Canada is just one of many nations under democratic rule as a direct result of the formation of the US. We can have public healthcare among other things simply because the US spends it's money on a millitary to protect us.

Your right, two big parties that basicly want the same, and have less diverances between them then certain groups in the chinese communist party, control all politics, yep thats true democracy. We here are so jelouse of you with our multiparty system.

Do I think that much of the world see's Bush as their chance to jump on the anti-american bandwagon without nessicarily having rational reasons to back up their feelings? Absolutely

Yeah there is a certain truth to that, but I haven't seen it on these forums.

There was a poll done here in Canada that showed that 2/3 of Canadian teenagers felt that the US today was more evil then Nazi Germany. That is the world of irrationality I am fighting against.

They should wacth out the US doesn't just roll over

I don't think the US is perfect, and I don't always support it. But there is a difference between decension/disagreement with US policy, I.E. "I feel that the US foriegn policy applied to Iraq was flawed for these reasons...." and blatent, factless, anti-americanism I.E. "US is evil. Bush is da Nazi. US suX0rz".

The former will get you an informed debate based on facts. The latter just proves to the world that you are using current US foriegn policy to justify your feelings of anti-americanism.

Well there is a point after which you start to hate soemone or osme country if they screw you to much, like Iraqi's or a lot of people in South America.

Furtheremore, and this is not directed only at ghostfox.

We here are not liberal, so stop calling us liberals. Liberals are for us to rightwing, the liberals here are the ones that like the US, like our primeminister, is a religous liberal. The socialists here are teh ones that are gainst the US foreign policy.

Second: the US only helped us the two world wars, but mostly for it's own benefit and they got to keep their military bases here, so we don't ow you anything, and canade certainly doesn't. It would exist without the big military of the US.

Third: yes you are rich but not for long, cause you are living off the backs of teh rest of teh world, that cannot go on for much longer, China alone has borrowed allready 700 000 000 000 dollars to you, and like one other mentioned we here in West europe have a higher standard of living.

And Europe is very import in world business, it has got permanent memebr in teh security council and 4 european countries are in the G7.

We may spend a lot of money on social isues but you spend relativly even more on military, + you should be ashame that your economy often grows reativly more that europes while your standard of living grows relativly less than ours at the same time, and that the gap between the rich and teh poor has actually increased since the beginning of the late century, so instead of trying to equel the spread of wealth you have made it more unequel

 

[No Limit]

They should wacth out the US doesn't just roll over

I officially hate you. I was eating and that quote reminded me of Ann Coulter; now I have a lot of cleaning to do. :x

 

[Tr0n]

We may spend a lot of money on social isues but you spend relativly even more on military, + you should be ashame that your economy often grows reativly more that europes while your standard of living grows relativly less than ours at the same time, and that the gap between the rich and teh poor has actually increased since the beginning of the late century, so instead of trying to equel the spread of wealth you have made it more unequel

Well thats it tho...we already got ourselves into a loop hole with military spending.

If we cut down people will complain and our military depends heavily on it.I don't see how we could cut down without risking something.

 

[Gray Fox]

Relocate them, companiest hat serve the military can do other stuff with the knowhow, + at the tiem of teh transition you can use a lot of soldiers to do social tasks or fire them if they don't, or you can use them in the meantime untill they can have another job as security in cities to help the police, the US has got a big crime problem in certain cities, they could help.

 

[CptStern]

At least 1 building in Iraq still stands, therefore Iraq has not been compleatly destroyed.

You were being a just a tad extreamist in your language, but I can respect the opinion that Iraq has not benifited from American intervention (howevermuch I may disagree), but throwing around exaggurations makes you sound a bit like a loony, at least to my ears.

well in my defense most people around here know me quite well (or at least the content of my posts), so they all know my assertions are not baseless

 

[GhostFox]

It would exist without the big military of the US.

Please. Let's be honest. If the US mysteriously dissapeared tonight, Canada would last about a week. And the only reason we would last that long is because England and Russia would be arguing how to divide it up.

 

[Tr0n]

Please. Let's be honest. If the US mysteriously dissapeared tonight, Canada would last about a week. And the only reason we would last that long is because England and Russia would be arguing how to divide it up.

This coming from a canadian? :O

Thats a first.

Sometimes I think you're american.

 

[CptStern]

Please. Let's be honest. If the US mysteriously dissapeared tonight, Canada would last about a week. And the only reason we would last that long is because England and Russia would be arguing how to divide it up.

:upstare: name one time the US had to protect canada. does mexico enjoy the same level of "protection" or is it only canada? the only time canada's been invaded was by americans back in 1812


oh and I think tron's right

 

[Mechagodzilla]

If the US mysteriously disappeared, Canada would gain a huge chunk of that territory and probably become superpowerful off all the resources therin.

 

[GhostFox]

name one time the US had to protect canada. does mexico enjoy the same level of "protection" or is it only canada?

Most of the world gains it. England and Germany have sufficient armies for defense, probably throw in Japan as well. It's a pretty short list. The western world pretty well relies on the US for at least support in it's defense.

the only time canada's been invaded was by americans back in 1812

Being such a Canadian as you are, I am sure that you know that the only "Canadian" army of account was the ally of the US during the war of 1812. The british burned Washington in retaliation for the Canadian millitary burning down the town of Newark/Ft. George. So it could be argued that the British were the invaders.

 

[schoppi]

Most of the world gains it. England and Germany have sufficient armies for defense, probably throw in Japan as well. It's a pretty short list. The western world pretty well relies on the US for at least support in it's defense.

Nobody really needs the US (in terms of military support) and thats their problem. In times of cold war it was important that the US was in Europe and established a kind of military equilibrium against the russian red army...
But nowadays they wouldn´t have any military usage for such a big army...such a big military budget. The US government used the 9/11 to give reasons for that big army and the military/(OIL) industry was pleased. Maybe some iraquis not...
I cannot imagine that we would even need defence...against whom? Maybe times will change and China likes to conquer the world, but I seriously doubt that. The only military need is to have anti-terror-specialists and superior air power to put pressure on the so called evil states, thats it...but Mr Bush wants to be the leader of the free world and pray HIS democracy...with a gun in his hand -what a fool.

Of course you can do something against such a messiah and that is to get some nukes (like perhaps NK did)...I am not happy about this kind of defence...but the old europe has some.

 

[The Monkey]

Please. Let's be honest. If the US mysteriously dissapeared tonight, Canada would last about a week. And the only reason we would last that long is because England and Russia would be arguing how to divide it up.

Oh please, are you actaully saying that Russia and England would invade Canada?

 

[KoreBolteR]

Oh please, are you actaully saying that Russia and England would invade Canada?

UK or russia, will not invade, ROFL!

more like NK or china.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

name one time the US had to protect canada.

You know, I cant. But see, I cant name a single time Canada's protected the United States.

It makes us inherently enemies really -- so whos invading first?

 

[KoreBolteR]

You know, I cant. But see, I cant name a single time Canada's protected the United States.

It makes us inherently enemies really -- so whos invading first?

surely canadians and americans have respect for eachother.

people do say UK and france hate eachother...

 

[The Monkey]

surely canadians and americans have respect for eachother.

people do say UK and france hate eachother...

Only the soccer huligans...

 

[KoreBolteR]

Only the soccer huligans...

actually its alot of politics aswell, surprising.

 

[The Monkey]

actually its alot of politics aswell, surprising.

That hate France? What kind of politicians?

 

[CptStern]

Most of the world gains it. England and Germany have sufficient armies for defense, probably throw in Japan as well. It's a pretty short list. The western world pretty well relies on the US for at least support in it's defense.

when it suits the US, yes I agree ...doesnt mean canada needs the US' "protection" any more so than Sweden does

Being such a Canadian as you are, I am sure that you know that the only "Canadian" army of account was the ally of the US during the war of 1812. The british burned Washington in retaliation for the Canadian millitary burning down the town of Newark/Ft. George. So it could be argued that the British were the invaders.

well, duh ...Canada wasnt a sovereign nation till 1867, up untill then they were a british colony ....even a first grader would know that.

 

[KoreBolteR]

That hate France? What kind of politicians?

not that they hate them, just a bit of tension, because of the iraq war, and other matters in the past, thats all. :thumbs:

 

[The Monkey]

well, duh ...Canada wasnt a sovereign nation till 1867, up untill then they were a british colony ....even a first grader would know that.

I thought that you weren't totally free until after WWII. If I remeber correctly, Britain controlled your foreign policies, but otherwise you were pretty free. Or am I wrong?

 

[CptStern]

well no, not really although we didnt get a written constitution till 1982, up until then we were using british statues which was enacted in the British North America Act of 1867 at the time of confederation (independence) ..but we've been self-governed since 1867

1867 was the year we became the Dominion of Canada, before that we were a collection of british colonies (quebec was initially a french colony but was ceded to the brits in 1763)

 

[The Monkey]

well no, not really although we didnt get a written constitution till 1982, up until then we were using british statues which was enacted in the British North America Act of 1867 at the time of confederation (independence) ..but we've been self-governed since 1867

1867 was the year we became the Dominion of Canada, before that we were a collection of british colonies (quebec was initially a french colony but was ceded to the brits in 1763)

Oh...I'm sure you know this a lot better than I do, but wasn't it Britain who, more or less, ordered you into WWII?

 

[CptStern]

heh no ..actually it was our duty as a commonwealth country to help the UK ..we were one of the last commonwealth countries to join the UK in the war effort ...well, it was only by a few days but it wasnt by force

here's a list of commonwealth countries and it's meaning

 

[The Monkey]

heh no ..actually it was our duty as a commonwealth country to help the UK ..we were one of the last commonwealth countries to join the UK in the war effort ...well, it was only by a few days but it wasnt by force

here's a list of commonwealth countries and it's meaning

Yeah, I know what the Commonwealth is. Thanks anyway. But in this map from 1897, Canda counts as a part of the British Empire.

EDIT: Here's another one from 1921.

 

[CptStern]

Yeah, I know what the Commonwealth is. Thanks anyway. But in this map from 1897, Canda counts as a part of the British Empire.

EDIT: Here's another one from 1921.

well in name we are a part of the british empire ..but with the British north america act of 1867 we became a sovereign nation. We didnt get full control of canadian affairs till the West Minister act of 1931. The Constitution of Canada (1982) severed the last legal link to the UK. So for all intents and purposes we've been a sovreign nation since 1867 yet retained the monarchy of england as a figurehead

 

[The Monkey]

well in name we are a part of the british empire ..but with the British north america act of 1867 we became a sovereign nation. We didnt get full control of canadian affairs till the West Minister act of 1931. The Constitution of Canada (1982) severed the last legal link to the UK. So for all intents and purposes we've been a sovreign nation since 1867 yet retained the monarchy of england as a figurehead

Queen Elisabeth II is still your head of state, right? Anyway, thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

[CptStern]

Queen Elisabeth II is still your head of state, right? Anyway, thanks for clearing that up for me.

well actually the head of state technically is the governor general ...and np, I've learned a thing or two as well

 

[GhostFox]

Oh please, are you actaully saying that Russia and England would invade Canada?

It wouldn't take an invasion, becuase Canada has no millitary. Canada is just one big empty landmass full of natural resources. Everyone would want a piece of the pie.

I think everyone here is too young to realize the stabalizing power of the US as sole superpower. Not to long ago, if you wanted something you just went and took it. It is almost inconcievable to us today, but if the US dissapeared, Russia would probably start rebuilding it's empire, and England would become colonial power once again.

 

[CptStern]

It wouldn't take an invasion, becuase Canada has no millitary. Canada is just one big empty landmass full of natural resources. Everyone would want a piece of the pie.

I think everyone here is too young to realize the stabalizing power of the US as sole superpower. Not to long ago, if you wanted something you just went and took it. It is almost inconcievable to us today, but if the US dissapeared, Russia would probably start rebuilding it's empire, and England would become colonial power once again.

I can guarentee I'm older than you are, and I have to disagree with your assertation ..one could argue that the US is a de-stabalizing force in the world ..if anything having only one superpower has given them carte blache to do as they please

Everyone would want a piece of the pie

what a joke ..further proof you arent who you claim to be (I wish you would drop the charade) ..canada would be almost impossible to take over, we have the longest undefended border in the world not to mention that many parts of canada are extremely remote. An invading army could probably take the capital but there's no way they would control the entire country ..it's just too big

 

[GhostFox]

if anything having only one superpower has given them carte blache to do as they please

You are right. If the US had wanted to it could have had a huge empire right now. Yet it chose not to, which is why it is a stablizing force. The whole concept of the UN can only exist because of the US. Any one country knows it cannot stand up alone to the US millitary, so therefore countries work together through the UN (or did until it decided to become useless).